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    Could anyone issue their support against the New Rules?

    Hello everyone,

    As I am sure many of you are aware the New rules will cause many thousands of families to break up as well as British people living away from the UK with non EU Spouses to be banned from their country unless they split up their family if they need to move back home.

    Well MPs have put a commons Motion in place against the changes, however we need more MPs to sign up and wanted to ask everyone to write to their MP, simply follow this link

    http://www.writetothem.com/

    Here is my Letter to mp MP and if people wish to use this please do,

    Dear MP,

    I would like to ask you to join other MPs to oppose the inhumane restrictions on families and to add your name to the Early day motion 297, please see link below

    http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/297


    Yours Faithfully,



    Below I have listed more information on these changes, if you wish to read through them please do;


    Here I outline a few points in relation to the Immigration changes.

    • 1 Flat rate minimum of £18600 regardless of where the sponsor lives. A flat 18600 is wrong. Its a one size fits all approach.

    • There's no recourse to public funds anyway. So why have a minimum income threshold.

    FACT - the Sponsored Spouse CAN NOT claim any benefits as they have no recourse to public funds until they get their ILR and it is a fact that the presence of a UK Citizens Sponsored spouse CAN NOT increase the sponsors housing benefit nor any other benefits, if anything if the Immigrant Spouse does work the sponsors housing benefit will decrease and look at the statistics the vast majority of immigrant spouses go straight into the working environment hence also contributing to the UK Economy.

    • Having it both ways i.e. Benefits dished out to the unemployed don't even remotely match the £18600 threshold set for sponsors. What I and some are saying is that the government shouldn’t really have it both ways.

    • Burden on the tax payer at £18600 per annum. At that level the sponsor is making net payment in tax and national insurance.

    • Ms. May is correct in quoting the wording of the Human Rights Act which incorporates the European Convention on Human Rights into British law. It is a qualified rather than an absolute right. However, measures that qualify should be proportionate, i.e. there is a need to justify that in effect the economic well-being of the country is being protected by these restrictions and that the means to do it are not disproportionate and quite clearly the restrictions that a sponsor must earn 18,600 are not only disproportionate but also made in error as a UKs Sponsors Immigrant spouse is not entitled to any public funds, the UK Citizens Immigrant spouses presence CAN NOT increase ANY public funds for the UK Citizen regardless of that the minimum income threshold is set at hence the economic well-being of the country is not affected.

    Teresa May claims the current Maintenance requirement of £5,795 is not adequate to prevent burden on the UK taxpayer. However, no evidence has been provided, statistics or figures to support exactly how much welfare has been taken as a result of the increase in the UK sponsor’s benefits due to the presence of the Migrant spouse to even determine if it is proportionate to increase the Maintenance threshold to £18,600 in terms of protecting the Welfare of the UK Economy?

    Teresa May has also not provided any evidence i.e. figures or statistics to support her statement that the UK national spouse who marries a non-EEA nationals gets increased benefit payments as a result of the marriage and which exact benefits they are?

    In relation to the Human Rights Act which states (v) If so, is such interference proportionate to the legitimate public end sought to be achieved?

    May wants judges always to answer ‘yes’ to question (v) in every single case, that every applicants whose spouse earns less than 18,600 will affect the economic well-being of the UK and it is proportionate for every case. But in law they cannot Judges can not say that. Our judges remain independent and must carry out an independent assessment! By May dictating to Judges is explicitly abrogating the independence of the judiciary. Not so long ago the UK Govt was attacking Mugabe regime for doubling up as judges, are they acting any different from the Mugabe/ Gadaffi Regimes?


    The 18,600 threshold was calculated by a group of economists called the Migration Advisory Committee who are a group of right wing Tories. This is the income level at which a British family would not receive any public funds in the form of income-related benefits (including tax credits).

    A British Citizens Migrant Spouse has No Recourse to Public funds and CAN NOT access any tax credits, any housing benefit etc whether the UK Sponsor is earning more or less than 18,600? Nor can the sponsor be entitled to any additional public funds or housing benefit due to his Spouses presence either, therefore there being NO burden on the UK Tax payer whatsoever. Hence making there no need for a Minimum earning threshold of 18,600.

    • Under New Rules a British Citizen who receives DLA is not required to meet the new minimum earning threshold however many people with disabilities do not receive DLA.

    This is another major hole in the new rules in that not every disadvantaged or disabled person receives DLA, as DLA is only for specific problems which a disabled person has. Not only that but someone who receives DLA for instance may lose it one week and the next week his spouse applies for ILR and how can this person be expected to go from being disabled and unable to work to receiving 18,600 per year immediately potentially? Hence his family spit apart, potentially his/her spouse being arrested by border control, split apart from her/his children after living here for 5 years and being put in a detention centre back to a country they have not lived in for 5 years!

    • How can if be fair or propionate that that for example,any EU National ie a Greek national, working in London, may have his Cambodian wife, and her extended family join him on a EEA family permit. They become immediately eligible to benefits, there is no maintenance test, she may work or not, and there is no jeopardy at 30 and 60 months. His family may stay as long as he does. The Greek citizen can do this as of right. The British citizen’s spouse/family/fiance has to meet all of these requirements and the British Citizens Spouse/family/Fiance does not have any of these rights that the Greek Nationals spouse/fiance has?.


    Thank you


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    being that i live in scotland, im asuming it is not my msp(as msp deals with matters more to do with scotland) but my mp who represents me in house of commons ?? can you please advise i want to get it right,

    Your Member of Parliament
    Your Banff and Buchan MP represents you in the House of Commons. The House of Commons is responsible for making laws in the UK and for overall scrutiny of all aspects of government.


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    Good point, I am not sure who your MPS is?

    Is it not here?

    http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msps.aspx


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    Yellowcloud et al - are there any reasons not to make an appointment to see your MP at their local surgery allowing you express your concerns face to face over the table ?


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    this is what it says of msp, for my post code
    Your Aberdeenshire East MSP represents you in the Scottish Parliament. The Scottish Parliament is responsible for a wide range of devolved matters in which it sets policy independently of the London Parliament. Devolved matters include education, health, agriculture, justice and prisons. It also has some tax-raising powers.Alex Salmond (SNP)

    but for mp says
    Your Banff and Buchan MP represents you in the House of Commons. The House of Commons is responsible for making laws in the UK and for overall scrutiny of all aspects of government.Eilidh Whiteford (SNP)

    im thinking mp as they deal with the main issues thats the way i read it, where msp deals with the scotish side of matters
    what you think?
    both snp and mp are of scotland they are both snp


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    Quote Originally Posted by imagine View Post
    this is what it says of msp, for my post code
    Your Aberdeenshire East MSP represents you in the Scottish Parliament. The Scottish Parliament is responsible for a wide range of devolved matters in which it sets policy independently of the London Parliament. Devolved matters include education, health, agriculture, justice and prisons. It also has some tax-raising powers.Alex Salmond (SNP)



    but for mp says
    Your Banff and Buchan MP represents you in the House of Commons. The House of Commons is responsible for making laws in the UK and for overall scrutiny of all aspects of government.Eilidh Whiteford (SNP)

    im thinking mp as they deal with the main issues thats the way i read it, where msp deals with the scotish side of matters
    what you think?
    both snp and mp are of scotland they are both snp
    Seems like Immigration rules are dealt with by the UK government in the House of Commons and not by the Scottish parliament?


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    thats what i thought , but wanted a second opinion to be sure thanks, il shall do my deed


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    Yellowcloud et al - are there any reasons not to make an appointment to see your MP at their local surgery allowing you express your concerns face to face over the table ?
    Believe you me I have tried but his secretary refuses to allow me to do this and just tells me he will pass the message on but he is very busy!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by imagine View Post
    this is what it says of msp, for my post code
    Your Aberdeenshire East MSP represents you in the Scottish Parliament. The Scottish Parliament is responsible for a wide range of devolved matters in which it sets policy independently of the London Parliament. Devolved matters include education, health, agriculture, justice and prisons. It also has some tax-raising powers.Alex Salmond (SNP)

    but for mp says
    Your Banff and Buchan MP represents you in the House of Commons. The House of Commons is responsible for making laws in the UK and for overall scrutiny of all aspects of government.Eilidh Whiteford (SNP)

    im thinking mp as they deal with the main issues thats the way i read it, where msp deals with the scotish side of matters
    what you think?
    both snp and mp are of scotland they are both snp
    Imagine - it's an early day motion in the House of Commons Westminster - Whiteford's your woman


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    Imagine - it's an early day motion in the House of Commons Westminster - Whiteford's your woman
    not literaly i hope dont think my gal would be pleased

    thanks Ded


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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowcloud View Post
    Believe you me I have tried but his secretary refuses to allow me to do this and just tells me he will pass the message on but he is very busy!!!
    Demand a meeting if the secretary refuses tell them you will be taking the matter up with the leader of the MP's Parliamentary Party, The Local Press/Radio/BBC /Spreading it all over the internet etc etc

    This might help

    http://www.sense.org.uk/campaigns/yo...d/meet_your_mp


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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowcloud View Post
    Believe you me I have tried but his secretary refuses to allow me to do this and just tells me he will pass the message on but he is very busy!!!
    Who is your mp yellowcloud?


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    Quote Originally Posted by andy222 View Post
    Who is your mp yellowcloud?
    I hope Yellowcloud doesnt live in Middlesbrough

    A veteran politician branded 'Britain's laziest MP' said yesterday that he hasn't held a surgery for his constituents for 14 years because he fears being attacked.

    Sir Stuart Bell, 73, said that after a member of the public 'attacked him twice' during surgeries he decided to hold meetings only by appointment.

    The Labour MP for Middlesbrough denied being idle after a newspaper investigation found that of 100 phone calls made to his office by reporters posing as constituents, not one was answered by his staff.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz20L2aZy8c

    The suckers keep voting him in


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    thats mine sent


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    As you know I am waiting for a response from Mr Green but I have asked my mp to sign it anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    I hope Yellowcloud doesnt live in Middlesbrough

    A veteran politician branded 'Britain's laziest MP' said yesterday that he hasn't held a surgery for his constituents for 14 years because he fears being attacked.

    Sir Stuart Bell, 73, said that after a member of the public 'attacked him twice' during surgeries he decided to hold meetings only by appointment.

    The Labour MP for Middlesbrough denied being idle after a newspaper investigation found that of 100 phone calls made to his office by reporters posing as constituents, not one was answered by his staff.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz20L2aZy8c

    The suckers keep voting him in
    I would find out where he lives and kick the door in.


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    he should be sacked and made to repay the earings hes had for doing nothing


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    UK Poliltical database http://ukpolitics.telegraph.co.uk/ some interesting info here on MP's inc some address's, expenses, previos occupation, education


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    OK, I have written again to my MP to request a meeting!


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    I have written three times now to my MP
    The more I understand the more reasons I find for opposition.
    It's just not right IMO

    I have not made an effort for a face to face meeting, but I will consider that.

    So far I did not receive a single reply, I feel that in itself is reason enough for a meeting in the "surgery" hours.

    Keep the faith.


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    Good luck Yellowcloud. I hope fairness prevails.


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    they dont reply because they dont consider anyone is worth


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    Good luck Yellowcloud. I hope fairness prevails.
    Thanks, I will do my best but if everyone else helps too by writing to their MPs and if no response like mine, request an appointment as is your right or go to the surgery.


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    In particular we need you to contact the Shadow Immigration Minister, Chris Bryant, and urge him to put his name to this. You can write to him at bryantc@parliament.uk


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    I,m in a real mess then lol as my bloody MP is Vince Cable he is MP for Twickenham the part of London I come under so i,m sunk before I start as he is so far up Camerons that I will have no chance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack1969_uk View Post
    I,m in a real mess then lol as my bloody MP is Vince Cable he is MP for Twickenham the part of London I come under so i,m sunk before I start as he is so far up Camerons that I will have no chance.
    I think you'll find the opposite is true Jack - Cameron regards him as the ni**er in the Cabinet woodpile - he's a Labour fellow traveller


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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowcloud View Post
    In particular we need you to contact the Shadow Immigration Minister, Chris Bryant, and urge him to put his name to this. You can write to him at bryantc@parliament.uk
    I have already emailed him 2 months ago no reply. The way its going I think my Mrs is better off where she is. Lets face it do I really want to bring her to this sh**hole?


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    Quote Originally Posted by andy222 View Post
    I have already emailed him 2 months ago no reply.
    As one would expect from a publicity seeking lightweight like him. He's adept at getting his snout in the expenses trough

    Chris Bryant, the MP for Rhondda, has split more than £92,000 of expenses between three properties in Wales and London in the past five years.

    In 2004, he attempted to claim £58,000 to overhaul his second home in Porth, Wales, after allegedly complaining that most properties in his constituency were "terrace or mine owners' houses".


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5334...-expenses.html

    Quote Originally Posted by andy222 View Post
    The way its going I think my Mrs is better off where she is. Lets face it do I really want to bring her to this sh**hole?
    Sadly you are probably right Andy


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    I,m in a real mess then lol as my bloody MP is Vince Cable he is MP for Twickenham the part of London I come under so i,m sunk before I start as he is so far up Camerons that I will have no chance.
    Not many people realise this but it is your right to request a meeting with your MP. I would urge everyone who is not getting a response from their MP to write to them to request an intervew with them.

    An example of the one I wrote to my MP.

    11/07/2012

    (Your address and name)


    (MY MP Name) MP

    The House of Commons

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    SW1A 0AA



    Dear My MPS name MP,



    I am writing to request a meeting with you to discuss my concerns about the new Immigration Rules restricting families from being together. It would be most convenient if we could arrange the meeting any afternoon after 3pm.



    I would like to discuss the new changes to the immigration rules with you and that I am very unhappy with the way the break up and keep apart families.



    I look forward to hearing from you with a suggested time for our meeting.



    Yours sincerely,


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    I hope you get a reply mate.


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