I think you missed the point Lastlid, Tagalog is the native language of the Philippines, like English is for us. We learn french, german or spanish at school. So what is wrong with nurturing your own language and learning English as a second language... no difference, I think you are just being a bit pedantic.
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Not at all. I genuinely believe that older languages can be a hindrance. Look at the Isle of Man. It dropped Manx, essentially over a hundred years ago. It explains why in the Life In The UK Test Supplement. My wife's sister's both learned English to a very high level and both landed good jobs in the Philippines because of it. My wife's nephew learns English at school and is taught in English. His parents recognise that for the sake of his future he needs to make the english language a priority. And of course the business world in the Philippines all revolves around English. Difficult to get a professional job if you can't speak english to a significant degree. All of my wife's families employer's family speak excellent English and do so for a reason i.e. because it is the means of choice to communicate outside of the Philippines, amongst other things.Originally Posted by Steve.r
I think you missed the point Lastlid, Tagalog is the native language of the Philippines, like English is for us. We learn french, german or spanish at school. So what is wrong with nurturing your own language and learning English as a second language... no difference, I think you are just being a bit pedantic.
In Andy's stepchild's case, she has obviously become accustomed to speaking and learning English. And is possibly distraught at the idea of reverting to Tagalog and I can understand that. In some ways, learning Tagalog for her is a retrograde step especially if she is going to be spending the rest of her life in the UK. Better to focus on what she is comfortable with and other, perhaps more beneficial subjects.
I understand why people want to preserve their heritage and their own languages but it can be disadvantageous to do that. There is definitely two sides to the debate.
And I have no doubt in my mind that any child of ours will not be speaking any Tagalog. The child won't want to and that will be the dominant factor.
Is Tagalog the native language of the Philippines? I was beginning to get the impression that it isn't. And on that score, why not learn Visayan as a second language, why bother with English at all?I think you missed the point Lastlid, Tagalog is the native language of the Philippines, like English is for us. We learn french, german or spanish at school. So what is wrong with nurturing your own language and learning English as a second language... no difference, I think you are just being a bit pedantic.Joking. Main language Tagolog, 2nd language Visayan, drop English then the Philippines truly would be nurturing its own languages.
If you are from the Visayan area then in an effort to preserve your native languages you learn Visayan and Tagalog and also English and so you spend more of your time learning 3 languages instead of one. And at the expense of time spent on other topics that might be far more beneficial like Maths, Science and IT etc.
Very simply put..... Tagalog or local variations of it are the national language of the Philippines period. English is taught as a second language period.
I think it very sad to think that any child born of mixed parents ie: fil/brit will not learn and be able to communicate in both tongues. I am dead sure my little son with be learning both and be able to communicate properly in both. Both my wife and I will make sure of that.
You did mention about Manx being lost over a hundred years ago, well, that was then, but in this case we are talking current taught national language.
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The way I see it is that any child of mine born in the UK to a Filipina will go back to a Philippines in 20 years time and see a country that has moved on and speaks less of the native languages and more English than ever. This process is going on right now and seems almost irreversible, unless the Chinese invade.
And I won't want a child of mine speaking Manx or Latin or any other language other than English and possibly either French or Spanish.
I just wonder, in an effort to maintain the Philippine language in schools in the Philippines, which ones of the many languages would would you pick and why?
Bring em all on. It would be fun.
I'm with lastlid on this one. The curriculum of the schools in the Philippines already contains the Filipino subject (all about correct word usage, meanings, etc.), take note, upto College degrees. BUT, the problem with DepEd now is they require all the subjects, including Math & Science, to be taught on their local language until 3rd grade. I'm not sure if they're removing the English subject too till 3rd grade. It'll be more difficult for them by that to learn English. Anyway, my point in this matter, English would always need to be learned as it is the common language wherever you go. I know a lot of Visayan in Cebu or Davao speaks very good English (I got friends/colleagues from there) and it's very useful in the working world. Most people I've talked to here in the UK always make a comment about how good I can converse in English, and when I told them it's because it's been taught since I was in kinder, they say it's a very good thing.I think you missed the point Lastlid, Tagalog is the native language of the Philippines, like English is for us. We learn french, german or spanish at school. So what is wrong with nurturing your own language and learning English as a second language... no difference, I think you are just being a bit pedantic.
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SO what I am getting from this is that you (or concensus) would rather completely remove your native language from your country so that you 'blend' in with what you think the world expects. I think that's quite sad.
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I am not sure if that is an accurate summary of my opinion....
I just don't think the education system should based teachings purely in Tagalog.
No, of course not...totally agree there.
I dont think they can remove English totally (the teachers will have a hard tme as well lol)...but they want to introduce the ''mother tongue'' at an early stage of child learning which I think is fine and brilliant but what I dont understand is why DepED dropped science in k to 3 students??? science subject can help develop cognitive skills in children
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/349141...science-pupils
Based on the design of the new curriculum, the learning areas for Grade 1 will be Mother Tongue, Filipino, Edukasyon sa Pagpapakatao, Music, Art, Physical Education and Health (MAPEH), Mathematics, Araling Panlipunan, and English – which will be taught in the second semester and will mainly focus on oral fluency.
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Music?I dont think they can remove English totally (the teachers will have a hard tme as well lol)...but they want to introduce the ''mother tongue'' at an early stage of child learning which I think is fine and brilliant but what I dont understand is why DepED dropped science in k to 3 students??? science subject can help develop cognitive skills in children
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/349141...science-pupils
Based on the design of the new curriculum, the learning areas for Grade 1 will be Mother Tongue, Filipino, Edukasyon sa Pagpapakatao, Music, Art, Physical Education and Health (MAPEH), Mathematics, Araling Panlipunan, and English – which will be taught in the second semester and will mainly focus on oral fluency.
What a lot of good that did me.
I dont think DepEd will remove english from their curriculum , but they want to introduce the ''mother toungue'' at an early stage of child learning which I think is fine and brilliant but what I dont understand is why DepED dropped science in k to 3 students??? science subject can help develop cognitive skills in children
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/349141...science-pupils
Based on the design of the new curriculum, the learning areas for Grade 1 will be Mother Tongue, Filipino, Edukasyon sa Pagpapakatao, Music, Art, Physical Education and Health (MAPEH), Mathematics, Araling Panlipunan, and English – which will be taught in the second semester and will mainly focus on oral fluency.It would just make kids in the Philippines behind what it used to be.
So while other kids in the world would be advanced by their 3rd grade in Science and Technology subjects, Filipino kids would just be starting to learn things about Science..
Science was my favorite subject when I was in gradeschool...then Math when I started highschool..
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Its fine , am sure the filipino generation ''y'' or the throphy kids will be able to adapt whatever thrown to them[FONT="Verdana"][COLOR="purple"]
and of course , the intelligence gene inherited from their parent plays a major role.
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Maybe they would replace Science with Religion...
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Maybe they would replace Science with Religion...Religion should have no place in school
Steve can you speak or read Tagalog ? after more than 10yrs of being with the misses the only word i needed to know was PERA.
Steve can you speak or read Tagalog ? after more than 10yrs of being with the misses the only word i needed to know was PERA.
Well, put it this way Joe, I am able to pick up words in a conversation that i have an understanding of but would not be able to hold a conversation back. I get the 'gist' of what is being said and can read emotion in a conversation. Charie often asks, did you understand that? and when i give her my explaniation of what I thought I heard, then I get it close to right.. say, 60% of the time. Other times I dont have a clue. I would love to learn as my son learns, I mean when he is old enough to read simple books, but that will have to wait until we are together again.
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Well, put it this way Joe, I am able to pick up words in a conversation that i have an understanding of but would not be able to hold a conversation back. I get the 'gist' of what is being said and can read emotion in a conversation. Charie often asks, did you understand that? and when i give her my explaniation of what I thought I heard, then I get it close to right.. say, 60% of the time. Other times I dont have a clue. I would love to learn as my son learns, I mean when he is old enough to read simple books, but that will have to wait until we are together again.
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