Ex-pat Bill returns to Philippines without NHS op on bad leg

[joebloggs]

a tricky one, 15yrs is a long time

BILL Maudling flies back to the Philippines next week feeling harshly treated – and out of pocket – after being refused an operation on the NHS.

The former Smith Bros printer returned to his native Whitehaven after an absence of 15 years expecting to have a free National Health Service ‘op’ which he said was necessary to save one of his legs.

But a few days ago he was told by letter an operation was not considered an emergency.

A North Cumbria University Hospitals NHS Trust deputy director, Paul Wiggins, says in the letter: “I understand that you are returning to live abroad without having the operation which Mr Sowinski (West Cumberland Hospital consultant) has now confirmed is not of an emergency nature and was sorry to hear that you were apparently misled about the application of the regulations as to your circumstances.

“As agreed with your brother (John Maudling) I have discussed the application of charges for appointments and tests undertaken to date with our deputy director of finance and I am pleased to confirm that no invoice will be raised or payment required.”

Bill Maudling told The Whitehaven News on Tuesday that the ‘waived’ West Cumberland Hospital bill for consultations and tests could have soared to £5,000-£10,000 and an operation for blocked arteries costing maybe as much as £20,000.

And thousands of pounds is what Bill estimates it’s cost him to come back taking in flights, accommodation and transport because he can’t walk far.

Before leaving the Philippines for England he believed he could have the operation free of any charge having paid his National Insurance during a 40-year working career in the Whitehaven area.

“I don’t know what they call an emergency, it’s going to get worse and worse over time – the way things are, one little cut could lead to gangrene and then I would risk losing my leg. I have been in agony with it.”

Now the pensioner hopes to have an operation back in the Philippines but still at a sizeable cost.

“I reckon it will be about £7,000. My senior citizens card and some health insurance will knock a third off the bill but I will just have to save up.

“I have worked all my live, never been on the dole, love Whitehaven and proud to be English so I am really disgusted over what’s happened.

“I was actually put on the waiting list to have the operation but then I got the bombshell.”

read more here
http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/news...rrerPath=news/

[deeen]

How does this work, then? I thought anyone with a UK passport was entitled to free treatment with the NHS?

Or did he just walk into A+E and say "I need this operation now" and they basically said "No, you don't"?

[imagine]

i believe once you have left uk for 6 months or more, you loose your entitlement to nhs, despite the fact you may have paid ni for years previously,

the only way is to move back to uk permanantly

[grahamw48]

Didn't anyone tell him to throw away his passport and suffer a bout of amnesia ?

Should have checked with us first.

Honesty doesn't get you anything in this ridiculous country of ours.

[Dedworth]

Didn't anyone tell him to throw away his passport and suffer a bout of amnesia ?

Should have checked with us first.

Honesty doesn't get you anything in this ridiculous country of ours.

Exactly - 40 years of tax and NI = Sorry Pal.

Gravy train is rolled out for Romanian pickpockets, maggots jumping off the back of a lorry etc etc

[Terpe]

....... My senior citizens card and some health insurance will knock a third off the bill but I will just have to save up....

Whoops! There may be trouble ahead.
He's not allowed a senior citizens card.

[imagine]

Whoops! There may be trouble ahead.
He's not allowed a senior citizens card.

and not a leg to stand on

[deeen]

and not a leg to stand on

Yes, sounds like he was going round in circles.

So the important thing for NHS is an address in the UK???
Maybe if I retire to Phils, I will be "staying with my brother in London"

[imagine]

Yes, sounds like he was going round in circles.

So the important thing for NHS is an address in the UK???
Maybe if I retire to Phils, I will be "staying with my brother in London"

what about your medical records, you might need in phil

[Rhose]

Yes, sounds like he was going round in circles.

So the important thing for NHS is an address in the UK???
Maybe if I retire to Phils, I will be "staying with my brother in London"

great!! nothing to worry about the benefits..

[Arthur Little]

Bill Maudling may not have been resident in the UK for 15 years ... OK. But he IS British ... and, being an elderly, retired person - WHO, throughout a working lifetime of at least four decades, has paid handsomely towards the maintenance of OUR 'Welfare State' ... in terms of hefty taxation and National Insurance contributions - surely he's entitled to benefit from the free care [at source] provided by the National Health Service.

So WHY SHOULD this ... now in desperate need of NHS operative treatment on his leg ... be EXPECTED to *foot (s'cuse *puns in such circumstances) the *bill?

Diabolical!

[Steve.r]

When I worked abroad I paid a class 2 (i think) contribution which covered me for my NHS cover, I also paid to keep my state pension up to date, even though I was working tax free in the middle east. But I think in this case after years of paying in, it is a pretty poor show.

[grahamw48]

Doesn't this also affect retirees in places like Spain too ?

I'm sure there was a TV prog about it.

[Terpe]

Doesn't this also affect retirees in places like Spain too ?

I'm sure there was a TV prog about it.

Yes Graham your right, it does.
It affects anyone who leaves UK for 6 months or more and cannot prove they have returned to settle here.

Plenty of loopholes. But ............

[grahamw48]

The biggest loophole is NOT telling anyone you HAVE been out of the country.

[Arthur Little]

I think in this case after years of paying in, it is a pretty poor show.

Damned RIGHT it IS, Steve ... !

[joebloggs]

but if he has been living out of the UK for 15yrs, surely he has had private medical insurance in the country he was living in ?
was he a citizen of the other country/countries he was living in, 15yrs is a long time, what kind of visa did he have to live there ?

if he was a citizen of another country dont you think its a bit cheeky coming back to the UK for a free op ? then again he's paid his taxes..

[Arthur Little]

Slightly perhaps. Nevertheless ... in contrast to poor Mr Maudling's unfortunate predicament, our politicians are perfectly happy to bestow National honours on the likes of Sean Connery who - despite claiming to be a proud Scot - evidently prefers to languish on Spain's Costa del Sol practically all year round!

[imagine]

although he has been abscent from uk 15 yrs, in all fairness after paying 40 yrs of contribution, surely there ought to be some help if not all,

or a refund of his ni contributions with interest
an illegal will get it , where is the fairness ,

[Dedworth]

Bill Maudling may not have been resident in the UK for 15 years ... OK. But he IS British ... and, being an elderly, retired person - WHO, throughout a working lifetime of at least four decades, has paid handsomely towards the maintenance of OUR 'Welfare State' ... in terms of hefty taxation and National Insurance contributions - surely he's entitled to benefit from the free care [at source] provided by the National Health Service.

So WHY SHOULD this ... now in desperate need of NHS operative treatment on his leg ... be EXPECTED to *foot (s'cuse *puns in such circumstances) the *bill?

Diabolical!

I fully agree Arthur as usual one rule for us another for Johnny Foreigner

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...h-tourist-debt

Foreign “health tourists” who cash in on free NHS treatment have run up debts of £40million, an MP revealed yesterday.

Tory Chris Skidmore blasted the “free-for-all” system and urged the Government to issue a clear definition of who is eligible for care in the UK.

Mr Skidmore, a member of the Commons Health Select Committee, said he had found via Freedom of Information requests that just over £40million of debts owed by foreign nationals has been written off by NHS Trusts.

Another survey earlier this month showed the average unpaid Trust bill for providing care to foreigners was £230,000. St George’s Trust in south London had the largest, at £2million.

Mr Skidmore said the NHS “cannot be a free-for-all for everybody to use”, adding: “The NHS is the national health service, it is not an international one and while we all believe that healthcare treatment must be free at the point of use, it cannot be free at the point of abuse.”

Public Health Minister Anne Milton said: “We are currently reviewing arrangements to prevent inappropriate free access to the NHS.”

[grahamw48]

'Reviewing arrangements' .

WHEN are these fools going to start reviewing the OBVIOUS shortcomings BEFORE the abuse takes place ?

[Terpe]

'Reviewing arrangements' .

WHEN are these fools going to start reviewing the OBVIOUS shortcomings BEFORE the abuse takes place ?

Beat me to it again!

[andy222]

In my opinion he should be allowed treatment here if he has paid into the system. You should see the (I will be polite) people I treat every day. If they have paid into the system my name is John Travolta,

[Dedworth]

In my opinion he should be allowed treatment here if he has paid into the system. You should see the (I will be polite) people I treat every day. If they have paid into the system my name is John Travolta,

Nice to meet you Mr Travolta

[andy222]

You know it makes sense Delboy.

[deeen]

"Tory Chris Skidmore blasted the “free-for-all” system and urged the Government to issue a clear definition of who is eligible for care in the UK."

This was actualy the reason I posted on this thread, what is the eligibility?
A European I know moved to the UK in February, he will be on the electoral roll at his UK address in November, working and paying UK tax for a few months, can he then take advantage of free NHS treatment?

And if so, why not Bill Maudling?

[imagine]

This was actualy the reason I posted on this thread, what is the eligibility?
A European I know moved to the UK in February, he will be on the electoral roll at his UK address in November, working and paying UK tax for a few months, can he then take advantage of free NHS treatment?

And if so, why not Bill Maudling?

i guess bill maudlings 40 yrs of contributions will cover the european

[gWaPito]

but if he has been living out of the UK for 15yrs, surely he has had private medical insurance in the country he was living in ?
was he a citizen of the other country/countries he was living in, 15yrs is a long time, what kind of visa did he have to live there ?

if he was a citizen of another country dont you think its a bit cheeky coming back to the UK for a free op ? then again he's paid his taxes..

According to my wife the husband of the filipino wife can get a renewable annual visa courtesy of the local barangay of where they are living.

You'll be surprised the amount of people who dont even take out travel insurance for a holiday let alone take out long term health insurance....crazy I know.

Its a bad show when an honest British subject is refused an operation for a life threatening condition...really, a shocking way to carry on when you think the (as quoted by Ded) NHS are gonna write off 40 million in debts chalked (excuse the unintentional pun) up by the illegals....

Complete (I think) health cover in the phils and im going back a bit now, for me was £ 50 a month and im a good few years off of being a pensioner.

[Trefor]

I don't think we have all the facts.

"Before leaving the Philippines for England he believed he could have the operation free of any charge having paid his National Insurance during a 40-year working career in the Whitehaven area."

Did he just assume he could walk in, get it done within a week or two and leave?

I read this as the hospital says the operation was not urgent - and it seems this chap wanted it in a hurry? surely if he was living in the UK and spent time getting other opinions etc. then this opinion may be changed?

I agree he should get treatment, but maybe not in the way he is expecting it (as reported).

[grahamw48]

Yes, you could be right there.

I'm surprised they don't find more dead bodies in the seats in A & E, considering waiting times.

Too many resources taken up catering for drunken idiots and drug addicts etc.