Looks like its kicking off again

[andy222]

Israel and Palestine. with a double c.

[grahamw48]

Yep, and now our generous govt. is also talking about helping out the poor Syrians, so MORE wasted taxpayers' money and MORE allah be praised blinkin asylum-seekers on the way.

[andy222]

Yes where will it all end? I can see the israeli flag being burned in london.

[KeithD]

I have no problem if we help the Syrian civilians, spending my tax money on saving women and children is much preferred to paying smackheads dole.

The Israeli government and military are more of a right-wing terrorist group than Hamas. The Israeli government and military keep trying to make out they are the victims...DUH!!! YOU ARE THE OCCUPYING ENEMY FORCE GET IT IN YOUR THICK SKULL.

I feel sorry for the Israeli people, they voted in the more moderate party but not having enough of a majority to rule, the two right-wing parties got together and took over With splits in the government over the last year or so and an election in January the right-wing 'oles are trying to make a point, but in reality you are just confirming what the majority of the world already know, those in charge are murderous scumbags.

[andy222]

My thoughts are we should not get involved. Already William Hague is shouting his mouth off.

[KeithD]

May as well sit back and watch the slaughter of innocent women and children ..... AGAIN!!! It's all the West ever seems to do these days, and in a few years we'll have a multi £Million report on how useless NATO was. They've just released the one on Sri Lanka when we sat back then and let the slaughter continue. So much for a civilised human race

[andy222]

So what should we do win? Send our forces out to get killed again?. They are paid to protect this country not others.

[KeithD]

So what should we do win? Send our forces out to get killed again?. They are paid to protect this country not others.

We never lost any in Libya, only the wars we followed the Yanks into.

[andy222]

I agree but we always follow the yanks. Only one PM has said no to them. But I still think we should keep our noses out. Just my opinion. I disagree with a lot of things ie giving money and I might add its my tax money too to pakistan. I believe the money is falling into the talibans hands and not helping the poor like it should be.

[stevie c]

I say leave them to it neither country would help us out if we was in this situation..... I don't want to see any more young Brit soldiers get killed we lost enough in Iraq, Afghanistan where we should not of been involved that's my honest opinion

[bigmarco]

I have no problem if we help the Syrian civilians, spending my tax money on saving women and children is much preferred to paying smackheads dole.

The Israeli government and military are more of a right-wing terrorist group than Hamas. The Israeli government and military keep trying to make out they are the victims...DUH!!! YOU ARE THE OCCUPYING ENEMY FORCE GET IT IN YOUR THICK SKULL.

I feel sorry for the Israeli people, the voted in the more moderate party but not having enough of a majority to rule, the two right-wing parties got together and took over With splits in the government over the last year or so and an election in January the right-wing 'oles are trying to make a point, but in reality you are just confirming what the majority of the world already know, those in charge are murderous scumbags.

What an excellent post and so very true.
Israel quite literally gets away with murder and the world refuses to act. It doesn't always require a military intervention but simply a bit of courage on the part of the US and British governments to stand up and say that if you cant resolve your issues then the money and arms will no longer be available.
Palestinian Women and Children are being slaughtered on a regular basis and we all say nothing because it's Israel. Shame on Us

[andy222]

Well according to Mr Hague the palestinians started it. Israel in this instance has a right to defend their country. If we were attacked by france what would we be expected to do?

[bigmarco]

Well according to Mr Hague the palestinians started it. Israel in this instance has a right to defend their country. If we were attacked by france what would we be expected to do?

Andy this is the thing. They will always justify what Israel does as will the Americans.

[andy222]

There will never be peace there marco. Let them get on with it and we should keep our nose out. Our boys and girls have been dragged into conflicts before kuwait iraq and afghan. To what success I ask you? Answer none. So I say let them fight it out. All I am saying is if america and we get involved it will be a bloodbath.

[stevie c]

How many Israeli life's have been lost due to the constant missiles fired across the border from these Islamist fanatics as Andy says Israel has aright to its own people to protect them

[imagine]

seems to be 2 sides to this story , i dont think il ever figure which is the offender,

iv seen some terrible photos of what isrial troops have done to what seems innocent palastine people ,women and children, and wonder if this is only showing the one side of it,

iv heard of bombs and human palastinian suicide bombs against innocent israil people,

each side seems to claim the holy land belongs to them,

leave them to it, we cant afford to get involved, israel has plenty of fire power to defend themselves,
their problems have been for many years and will never be solved

[KeithD]

Some people miss the point.... Israel is an invading army occupying Palestinian land. Hamas is basically the Palastinian Army. So a country has been invaded, and the army is fighting back, as we would do if France invaded our land. The Israeli's started it decades ago, not the Palestinians who had lived there a damn site longer than the Jews. Simple as that.

Israel need to pull back to the UN agreed borders, and then sit down for peace talks. You can't expect Palestine to talk peace when they have an invading army and settlers on there land.

How many Israeli life's have been lost due to the constant missiles fired across the border from these Islamist fanatics as Andy says Israel has aright to its own people to protect them

About 12 Israeli military in the last major flare up 4 years ago, and 1,400+ Palestinians, the vast majority civilians. Israel also committed war crimes according to the official UN report.

[Michael Parnham]

Al Jazeera news will tell the true story I'm sure.

[bigmarco]

There will never be peace there marco. Let them get on with it and we should keep our nose out. Our boys and girls have been dragged into conflicts before kuwait iraq and afghan. To what success I ask you? Answer none. So I say let them fight it out. All I am saying is if america and we get involved it will be a bloodbath.

I'm not for our troops being involved Andy. But we live in a world of pro Israeli Politics and a pro Israeli media.
Here's an old clip of a Jewish MP advising the house that Israel is behaving like Nazi's.

[bigmarco]

A jew calling for an arms ban on Israel.

[stevie c]

Some people miss the point.... Israel is an invading army occupying Palestinian land. Hamas is basically the Palastinian Army. So a country has been invaded, and the army is fighting back, as we would do if France invaded our land. The Israeli's started it decades ago, not the Palestinians who had lived there a damn site longer than the Jews. Simple as that.

Israel need to pull back to the UN agreed borders, and then sit down for peace talks. You can't expect Palestine to talk peace when they have an invading army and settlers on there land.



About 12 Israeli military in the last major flare up 4 years ago, and 1,400+ Palestinians, the vast majority civilians. Israel also committed war crimes according to the official UN report.

How many civilians in the suicide bombings across the border targeting local cafes on a busy shopping time....it doesn't matter if it's one killing or one hundred killings it is still needless killings. Makes you think when Britain occupied half the world no seemed to bothered then

[KeithD]

How many civilians in the suicide bombings across the border targeting local cafes on a busy shopping time....it doesn't matter if it's one killing or one hundred killings it is still needless killings. Makes you think when Britain occupied half the world no seemed to bothered then

That's because our invading forces were more advanced than those overthrown. Once things started to equal out we lost the control. Israel is currently the advanced military force who is choosing, and has admitted it, to overthrow any hope the Palestinians have of a country of their own.

As with the French resistance which Britain supported during the war, murder of opposite supporters was part of the course by any means possible, even if that involved the death of civilians, as long as it worked towards the end game of getting the invading force out.

[andy222]

So what has it got to do with us? Its not our war. That attitude has got us into trouble in the past. Like I said let them get on with it.

[KeithD]

What we should have done during the IRA years is build cities within Eire, place 10,000's troops along the border, and bomb Belfast with our jets ..... as that is exactly the scenario with Israel.

I can't wait till 2030 Arabs in Israel now have over 50% of the population, and so when they get to voting age you can bet mass changes will be coming, and yet today's politicians are so short-sighted and interested only in their own careers they can't see that

[andy222]

Like I said win. What has this got to do with us?.

[KeithD]

Like I said win. What has this got to do with us?.

Nothing, unless you are heartless and couldn't care less about women and children being murdered on a daily basis for months on end.

[andy222]

Maybe we should bring them all over here then? I am not heartless of coarse I feel sorry for them just like they would for us I suppose. But they wouldnt help us.

[stevie c]

Nothing, unless you are heartless and couldn't care less about women and children being murdered on a daily basis for months on end.

Keith there are women & children getting killed on both sides whether it's 10 or 100
It doesn't matter the fact is there shouldn't be any women or children getting killed from any side

[KeithD]

You'll find, as with Israel, the vast majority of civilians dying is due to the army with overwhelming force.... the Americans have proved that

[imagine]

What we should have done during the IRA years is build cities within Eire, place 10,000's troops along the border, and bomb Belfast with our jets ..... as that is exactly the scenario with Israel.

I can't wait till 2030 Arabs in Israel now have over 50% of the population, and so when they get to voting age you can bet mass changes will be coming, and yet today's politicians are so short-sighted and interested only in their own careers they can't see that

yeah but will it be honest voting i wonder