Quite right stevie but we have to draw the line. Syria is another one its the peoples choice why should we provide them with arms? It only comes back to bite us in the ass. And another thing this country thinks its still a super power where our forces are concerned. We are not. Just look at all the soldiers that got killed in afghanistan. They are being replaced by part timers. This is just my opinion.
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You'll find, as with Israel, the vast majority of civilians dying is due to the army with overwhelming force.... the Americans have proved that
yes agreed Keith but it doesnt alter the fact that you have women & children getting killed on the Israeli side...one wrong don't make a right
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Israel has no right to be there, they never had a land in the first place.
Andy the majority of the trouble & wars in the world involve Arab or Muslim countries now IMO that says it all
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Obviously the egyptian muslim brotherhood will side with the palestinians. This could get messy.
They could go on fighting like this for decades and never get anywhere near the numbers who died when the West was fighting in WW1 and WW2, or even Vietnam or Iraq. The majority of fighting countries is actually in AfricaAndy the majority of the trouble & wars in the world involve Arab or Muslim countries now IMO that says it all
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Many of the African countries are Muslim fanaticsThey could go on fighting like this for decades and never get anywhere near the numbers who died when the West was fighting in WW1 and WW2, or even Vietnam or Iraq. The majority of fighting countries is actually in Africa
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i thought it was their promised landIsrael has no right to be there, they never had a land in the first place.
This is turning out to be a good debate. But i still believe let them get on with it. There will be enough bloodshed without us getting involved.
Just trying to figure out which of the sides (Is/Pal) I dislike the most.
Personally I wouldn't vote for a brass farthing of OUR taxes being spent on any of these lunatics.
I see there are calls for our guys to be pulled out of Afghanistan pronto....as I've been telling our idiots in government for the past 11 years.
Yes, Al Q cleared out temporarily, but absolutely sod all else achieved and all for the cost of the lives over 400 of our boys and girls, plus many billions down the drain.
Any amount of glossing over this massive FAIL by govt. and those with vested interests will not hide the fact that fools rushed in not too long after the hugely powerful and less than gentle Russians had left with their tails between their legs...rushed out, in fact.
These (muslim) people despise us and our ways. They do NOT want democracy. Our kindness is seen as weakness.
That's all you need to know....and the Israelis are not much different, except that their friends are running a lot of America.
Cant see why your talking about our troops getting involved in this, it's a non starter because we are already to friendly with the occupying force Israel.
There is also Syria now, just waiting for the bleeding heart brigade to start volunteering our services.
We have been saying this for a long time but the powers that be dont listen.Just trying to figure out which of the sides (Is/Pal) I dislike the most.
Personally I wouldn't vote for a brass farthing of OUR taxes being spent on any of these lunatics.
I see there are calls for our guys to be pulled out of Afghanistan pronto....as I've been telling our idiots in government for the past 11 years.
Yes, Al Q cleared out temporarily, but absolutely sod all else achieved and all for the cost of the lives over 400 of our boys and girls, plus many billions down the drain.
Any amount of glossing over this massive FAIL by govt. and those with vested interests will not hide the fact that fools rushed in not too long after the hugely powerful and less than gentle Russians had left with their tails between their legs...rushed out, in fact.
These (muslim) people despise us and our ways. They do NOT want democracy. Our kindness is seen as weakness.
That's all you need to know....and the Israelis are not much different, except that their friends are running a lot of America.
I wish it was true but who knows if our troops will be drawn into this. We havent got a say in it.
I heard one guy say on tv the reason we cant bring our troops out of afghanistan is because it would damage relationships with obama.
I have always believed that Afghanistan was a total waste of time. We have lost over 400 soldiers there and achieved nothing.
They are no threat to us other than providing training camps for terrorists which we only succeed in moving elsewhere. I couldn't believe when I read recently that Afghanistan is still the source of 90% of the heroin on our streets. We cant even stop that.
We should have pulled out long ago and the sooner the better and let this 3rd world country return to it's third world ways.
Exactly Marco, but don't forget those poor farmers (ours are all rich) had to be gently encouraged to grow alternative crops, despite the fact that the Taliban had guns trained on their heads.
Oh to be able to live in that perfect dream world that the NGOs and do-gooders occupy.
Its a long time since I studied political history but iirc the problem started with the Balfour DeclarationJust trying to figure out which of the sides (Is/Pal) I dislike the most.
Personally I wouldn't vote for a brass farthing of OUR taxes being spent on any of these lunatics.
I see there are calls for our guys to be pulled out of Afghanistan pronto....as I've been telling our idiots in government for the past 11 years.
Yes, Al Q cleared out temporarily, but absolutely sod all else achieved and all for the cost of the lives over 400 of our boys and girls, plus many billions down the drain.
Any amount of glossing over this massive FAIL by govt. and those with vested interests will not hide the fact that fools rushed in not too long after the hugely powerful and less than gentle Russians had left with their tails between their legs...rushed out, in fact.
These (muslim) people despise us and our ways. They do NOT want democracy. Our kindness is seen as weakness.
That's all you need to know....and the Israelis are not much different, except that their friends are running a lot of America.
Yes, that's when our meddling started...1917, and I think the following sums up quite well the further meddling by us and others....resulting in the current mess:
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'It was extremist zionist groups like the Irgun and Lehi who aimed to establish a Jewish state (not just a homeland within the state) and turned to terrorism to establish this, attacking British forces e.g. bombing the King David hotel in 1946.
They also attacked many Palestinian civilians, and Palestinians fought back. The situation was in danger of turning into a civil war, and extra troops were sent to impose order.
A big problem was that many illegal Jewish immigrants from Europe tried to enter Palestine, many of them traumatised by WW II and in no mood to coexist peacefully with the locals. This greatly added to the conflict on the ground, so British authorities intercepted the ships and detained the migrants. This influx was organised by the Jewish Agency who refused to consider resettlement of refugees in the UK, Empire or USA. After a detainment camp was attacked and detainees released, they were detained in Cyprus instead.
However, the Truman administration of the USA demanded that these immigrants be allowed into Palestine, threatening economic sanctions. The UK, almost bankrupt after WW II, was in no position to refuse, agreeing to the demands of a joint commission, and this influx of immigrants indeed made the situation far worse on the ground.
To try to find a Plan B, the UK turned the problem over to the newly formed UN, and announced an intention to quit the territory in 1948. The UN drafted a partition plan, but this could not be agreed by the parties in Palestine, so the White Paper plan continued. The unrest escalated into virtual civil war, and the British became less able to cope, particularly as upcoming Indian independence and partition was drawing in so much manpower there.
The civil war included certain massacres of civilians, such as at Deir Yassin, and this caused a number of people in Palestine to flee the territory to neighbouring countries until the fighting would subside.
One day before the end of Mandate, Zionists declared Israel as a Jewish state, and the Truman administration recognised it 11 minutes later. By this time the British were in no position to stop it. Open war broke out, drawing in surrounding Arab countries and the Israelis were victorious on the battlefield. However, they "ethnically cleansed" almost 80% of Palestinians in the process.
By the time a ceasefire was arranged, Israeli forces controlled 78% of Palestine, far more than was allocated to a Jewish state under the UN partition plan.
Although these cease-fire lines were meant to be temporary pending a settlement, Israel has maintained them as borders ever since, even expanding into more territory. UN resolutions demanded that Israel allow the refugees to return to their homes and reclaim their property, but instead it has continuously refused and has even confiscated their property.
So, they weren't 'given' Palestine, Jewish extremists took it by force, ethnically cleansing the indigenous population. This continued dispossession is the underlying cause of all the conflict ever since.
It's an example of religiously-inspired extremism making the idea of "god gave us this land" take priority over normal secular citizenship and property rights, as well as international law.'
RELIGION and DO-GOODERS ....as usual.
sounds like do unto others what the nazis did to them( they weren't 'given' Palestine, Jewish extremists took it by force, ethnically cleansing the indigenous population. This continued dispossession is the underlying cause of all the conflict ever since.)
Zionists....most of whom had probably never met a German in their lives...not that I could ever excuse what the Nazis did to millions of people.
Very interesting input you lads have done your homework.
The Gazza Strip....
nice one lastlid.
Excellent write-up clearly pointing out the facts of the situation without blurring it for media purposes http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...429224963.html
I see it didn't take long for the Israeli's to start hitting building containing Western media ..... like a media center...
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