I also knew two clives and worked briefly with them both at Green Valley in Hong Kong. Also remember Malou calling him panget
The Clive i was talking about used to hang around with steve. He is teaching ( god knows how!) in Hong Kong and after managing to get an annulment from the first wife he married Elvie who was his girlfriend from about 95 onwards. They have a 12yr old son.
The last i heard of Big Phil he was in Macau teaching.
