im so fed up. he is accusing me for no reason.

[emcel]

mis-translation google worst

I am original kapangpangan.I am from tarlac.I spoke tagalog also, now, having trouble with google translation about languages and comments on my wall, that he might think i am a bad person,my friends comments as a text word, in my wall. and i want to emphazied here how.


i ask him to join to this forum so that he can get advice from you guys, that this site which is trust at all and i am using this at all and get advice before.

i dont know what he want to me or he making excuses not to come in philippines.


my friend compliments to me KALAGU/ maganda = MEANS beatiful.


Maricel Caparas muret!manna aku sau:P
original text : muret! mana ako sayo.
means: crazy, im just like you.
Bea Millena Supangan VAIN!

Trisha Castaneda Mendoza hahahha!! ms mlagu ka... nokarin ka?
original text: hahaha mas malagu ka. nokarin ka?
means: you are most beautiful. where are you?


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza aru ayn n ung pnka mlagu..
original text: aru, ayan na ung pina malagu.
means: tsk!tsk! here you go the most beatiful.


Maricel Caparas nagreak tuloy ung super ganda:P dito lang sa house:P
original text: nag react tuloy ang super ganda. nandito lang ako sa house.
means: she reacted the most beautiful. im only here in the house.


Bea Millena Supangan Ta naman oh! No comment ku ah! Hahaha Jk!
original text: oyta naman oh! no comment ako ah.
means: no coment at all


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza asus.... hahahah
origianl text: aysus (expresion words)
means: jesus,susmaryosep


Maricel Caparas aun ting napa nocoment cya:P talo na tau!!! si ms midnight snack:P
original text: ayun/ayon si ting(my friend nick name) napa comment siya! tala na tayo. si miss midnigth snack.
means: that ting(pointing ting) she get on comment! we are a looser! she is midnight snack!


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza hahaha! gnun tlga.. talo tau eh... hahah
original text: ganun talaga. talo tayo eh!
means: well we are a looser.



Bea Millena Supangan Diko kaya yang mga ganyang ka.vain! Hahaha Pang.natural lang ako! Jk! Haha
orginal text: hindi ko kaya ang mga ganyang ka. vain! pang natural lang ako jk!
means: i cant do that that,vain, i am only natural


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza hahaha!! vain daw oh!
original text: vain daw
means:is it vain?


Maricel Caparas taena! anu ibig sabhin mo photo effects walala too ahaha awwwts
original text: ano ibig sabihin mo? photo effects wala to ahahaha ouch
means: what do u mean? photo effects? shhh ur nothing ouch


Maricel Caparas vain nga may ibig sabihn ting:P
original text: vain nga may ibig sabihin ting!
means: vain, there is a meaning ting!



Bea Millena Supangan Ayy excuse me! Wala akong binabanggit na photo feks neh!!? Haha! Defensive!
original text: ayyy excuse me! wala akong binabanggit na photo feks neh? hahah defensive!
means: sigh! excuse me! i dont have any mention of photo effects defensivE!



Maricel Caparas tae ka pano ndi ako magging depensive sa natural palang eka san ka pa
original text:tae( experssion of sh*t thing) tae ka paano hindi ako magiging depensive sa natural palang eka san ka pa?
means: how can i be depensive? from being natural? where is it?


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza ayan.. wag kau magtalo... sayang ing lagu... hahaha
original text: ayan. huwag kayo magtalo. sayang ing lagu
means: here we go dont make it fight beautiful is useless:P



Bea Millena Supangan I knerr right! Tanggapin nalang kasi lol I'm out!
original text: i know right, tanggapin nalang kasi lol! Im out!
means: i know right! accept it:P lol im out


Maricel Caparas d nmin matanggap:P
original text: hindi namin matanggap
means: i cant accept it


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza hahahaha!! loko dakal ko tula.. tma b un
original text:loko dakal ko tula tama ba un?
means:laugh a lots! am i correct? lol.

i know we are using text word and short cut text i cant find any worst thing to this conversation at all.

how many times he judge me on my personality, my friends comments, my dialect, my family, that he is saying that they are unrespect person and harmful words, because of google translation and any kind of translation in website.

i tried my best to help him out to our langauges but he still beliveing of google translation,

i am being fed now, everything i forgive him give a chance fighting over internet, i dont know,

i dont know i feel broken hearted and waisting my time to him at all.

with in 8 months plus communication. regular.

im so feel weak and sad:(

i have to finish this at all, i cant understand what he want, what reason or just give me a honest if he can come to the philippines.


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[emcel]

he join to this site, so that he can observe what going on in the philippines, if it is safe or what, and from your exeperienced.

Attachment 7408

he book already the ticket, and he proposed to me a married thing and he buy me the wedding dress at all.

the only have problem that he freaking out my facebook dialects :( and judging me to much:(

[Steve.r]

To be honest, he sounds like a bit of a loser, find someone who really cares for you. I must admit I do not understand all of your conversation, but what is he trying to do? control how you talk to your friends?

And to talk marriage before he has even seen you in the flesh is just ridiculous.... be very careful

There are plenty of guys out there willing to be friends with a nice Filipina.

[emcel]

i meant he purchased already the ticket, and he ask some advice here last night, because he is having difficulities from his family not to come here in the philippines, because of the situatuion here of being kidnap, etc at all, i asked him today what is your observation to the site and giving u idea at all? last night he is crying he so very happy.

today he said: im not happy.

i dont know what i am going to think of him,

i feel shame to my family because we are always making fight about our dialect for non sense at all even my auntie principal she explained well to him. sigh very very very sad:(

[emcel]

To be honest, he sounds like a bit of a loser, find someone who really cares for you. I must admit I do not understand all of your conversation, but what is he trying to do? control how you talk to your friends?

And to talk marriage before he has even seen you in the flesh is just ridiculous.... be very careful

There are plenty of guys out there willing to be friends with a nice Filipina.

yes i dont know what to say to him is sound like a crazy:( thanks for your concern. 1,2,3,4 etc i forgive i understand and he start and start again, i gave all my password in facebook so that he have peaceful mind everything favor i made effort and feel shame to my family because unrespectful one.:(

[Steve.r]

How old is he? why should he need to know all your passwords? do you have his passwords too? He sounds rather immature if he cannot make up his own mind, and kidnap?? really?? I am sure you would keep him safe and not let him walk anywhere alone right?

[ericthatcher]

mis-translation google worst

I am original kapangpangan.I am from tarlac.I spoke tagalog also, now, having trouble with google translation about languages and comments on my wall, that he might think i am a bad person,my friends comments as a text word, in my wall. and i want to emphazied here how.


i ask him to join to this forum so that he can get advice from you guys, that this site which is trust at all and i am using this at all and get advice before.

i dont know what he want to me or he making excuses not to come in philippines.


my friend compliments to me KALAGU/ maganda = MEANS beatiful.


Maricel Caparas muret!manna aku sau:P
original text : muret! mana ako sayo.
means: crazy, im just like you.
Bea Millena Supangan VAIN!

Trisha Castaneda Mendoza hahahha!! ms mlagu ka... nokarin ka?
original text: hahaha mas malagu ka. nokarin ka?
means: you are most beautiful. where are you?


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza aru ayn n ung pnka mlagu..
original text: aru, ayan na ung pina malagu.
means: tsk!tsk! here you go the most beatiful.


Maricel Caparas nagreak tuloy ung super ganda:P dito lang sa house:P
original text: nag react tuloy ang super ganda. nandito lang ako sa house.
means: she reacted the most beautiful. im only here in the house.


Bea Millena Supangan Ta naman oh! No comment ku ah! Hahaha Jk!
original text: oyta naman oh! no comment ako ah.
means: no coment at all


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza asus.... hahahah
origianl text: aysus (expresion words)
means: jesus,susmaryosep


Maricel Caparas aun ting napa nocoment cya:P talo na tau!!! si ms midnight snack:P
original text: ayun/ayon si ting(my friend nick name) napa comment siya! tala na tayo. si miss midnigth snack.
means: that ting(pointing ting) she get on comment! we are a looser! she is midnight snack!


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza hahaha! gnun tlga.. talo tau eh... hahah
original text: ganun talaga. talo tayo eh!
means: well we are a looser.



Bea Millena Supangan Diko kaya yang mga ganyang ka.vain! Hahaha Pang.natural lang ako! Jk! Haha
orginal text: hindi ko kaya ang mga ganyang ka. vain! pang natural lang ako jk!
means: i cant do that that,vain, i am only natural


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza hahaha!! vain daw oh!
original text: vain daw
means:is it vain?


Maricel Caparas taena! anu ibig sabhin mo photo effects walala too ahaha awwwts
original text: ano ibig sabihin mo? photo effects wala to ahahaha ouch
means: what do u mean? photo effects? shhh ur nothing ouch


Maricel Caparas vain nga may ibig sabihn ting:P
original text: vain nga may ibig sabihin ting!
means: vain, there is a meaning ting!



Bea Millena Supangan Ayy excuse me! Wala akong binabanggit na photo feks neh!!? Haha! Defensive!
original text: ayyy excuse me! wala akong binabanggit na photo feks neh? hahah defensive!
means: sigh! excuse me! i dont have any mention of photo effects defensivE!



Maricel Caparas tae ka pano ndi ako magging depensive sa natural palang eka san ka pa
original text:tae( experssion of sh*t thing) tae ka paano hindi ako magiging depensive sa natural palang eka san ka pa?
means: how can i be depensive? from being natural? where is it?


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza ayan.. wag kau magtalo... sayang ing lagu... hahaha
original text: ayan. huwag kayo magtalo. sayang ing lagu
means: here we go dont make it fight beautiful is useless:P



Bea Millena Supangan I knerr right! Tanggapin nalang kasi lol I'm out!
original text: i know right, tanggapin nalang kasi lol! Im out!
means: i know right! accept it:P lol im out


Maricel Caparas d nmin matanggap:P
original text: hindi namin matanggap
means: i cant accept it


Trisha Castaneda Mendoza hahahaha!! loko dakal ko tula.. tma b un
original text:loko dakal ko tula tama ba un?
means:laugh a lots! am i correct? lol.

i know we are using text word and short cut text i cant find any worst thing to this conversation at all.

how many times he judge me on my personality, my friends comments, my dialect, my family, that he is saying that they are unrespect person and harmful words, because of google translation and any kind of translation in website.

i tried my best to help him out to our langauges but he still beliveing of google translation,

i am being fed now, everything i forgive him give a chance fighting over internet, i dont know,

i dont know i feel broken hearted and waisting my time to him at all.

with in 8 months plus communication. regular.

im so feel weak and sad:(

i have to finish this at all, i cant understand what he want, what reason or just give me a honest if he can come to the philippines.


Attachment 7407

my wife see the messages on your image, she understand it all. she said maybe she making excuses, and i observe also too, you know why he is paranoid about this thing? your languages is very difficult one, even me first time in your country its so hard for me, and for the facebook thing i cannot to this to freak out and search at all in google because google is very broad website can give u all meaning not exactly or good one. emcel be strong i know what you feel!

[emcel]

How old is he? why should he need to know all your passwords? do you have his passwords too? He sounds rather immature if he cannot make up his own mind, and kidnap?? really?? I am sure you would keep him safe and not let him walk anywhere alone right?

he is nearly 40, because he is suspected me that i have connection on some example gangsta, member, or any crime here in philippines, yes he gave his password to me but i did not attempt to check it because i am completely trusting him, yes we offer our home and to stay in our home and my family because we have one room available and we understand that of his status true financial thing of him, and we are happy to do that so that he is safe here and fully aircondition at all on my room, because of the weather here.

yes i told him, that he is not the only one who is enter in philippines,he have all my details personal one,

[emcel]

my wife see the messages on your image, she understand it all. she said maybe she making excuses, and i observe also too, you know why he is paranoid about this thing? your languages is very difficult one, even me first time in your country its so hard for me, and for the facebook thing i cannot to this to freak out and search at all in google because google is very broad website can give u all meaning not exactly or good one. emcel be strong i know what you feel!

thanks Eric! im so very very upset and feeling insult.

[RickyR]

It's possible that he's worried and nervous, and having difficulty dealing with that so has said things which he doesn't really mean as a way of lashing out.
For someone who hasn't travelled much, and comes from an area where nobody really knows or has experience of different cultures from the Far East I should imagine its quite daunting. The horror stories in the UK media can put anyone off travelling for life if you believe it.

Once he takes that step and travels to the Philippines, everything will become different and much much clearer. He'll also meet more open minded people who can provide a broader outlook on life.

I think you both really need to talk, but if I'm honest when he sees that detailed information on your personal issues are being aired openly on the forum he might be a bit upset (I certainly would). If your both strong and determined you'll overcome these issues, but be warned a relationship between people of two different cultures can be straining at times. Even now when i've been with my wife for 6 years and we still have days when it's like we're from a different planet and don't understand each others' issues.

[emcel]

It's possible that he's worried and nervous, and having difficulty dealing with that so has said things which he doesn't really mean as a way of lashing out.
For someone who hasn't travelled much, and comes from an area where nobody really knows or has experience of different cultures from the Far East I should imagine its quite daunting. The horror stories in the UK media can put anyone off travelling for life if you believe it.

Once he takes that step and travels to the Philippines, everything will become different and much much clearer. He'll also meet more open minded people who can provide a broader outlook on life.

I think you both really need to talk, but if I'm honest when he sees that detailed information on your personal issues are being aired openly on the forum he might be a bit upset (I certainly would). If your both strong and determined you'll overcome these issues, but be warned a relationship between people of two different cultures can be straining at times. Even now when i've been with my wife for 6 years and we still have days when it's like we're from a different planet and don't understand each others' issues.

thanks rickyR! im just fed up because of this thing about our languages, i gave my best. and chances to fix all, yes i understand the culutures thing and media in uk also. ive been in uk for almost 17 months i came back home last year.

i intend to flag all my details and facebook and ticket to clarification on issuses, you can remove the images pls moderator if need so that it keep privacy, im just being tempered and impatient and cant hide the pain. thank you so much!

[tiger31]

maybe he,s a bit of a mummys boy who is listening to comments about how dangerous the philippines might be and mummy don,t want him to go lol just make sure this guy is the one you really want because having these issues already in your relationship start to to ring alarm bells so be careful .As for the language side of things some people are more adept than others myself well i,m useless after living nearly 2 years in cebu i,ve hardly learnt a word it won,t sink into my brain lol

[Rhose]

Hi sis! I'm really upset too on what your fiancé behaving. To be honest he's making excuses and not trusting you. There's a lot of members here who visited Philippines and even my husband..for how many times. He's not scared of treat because he thinks the only safe place he can go is to his love ones and to God. Your fiancé was looking on negative side why don't he look on positive side, Pinas is a wonderful place to visit. If he really wants to see and marry you, he don't make a second thought about it because he wants.
Secondly, that would be a problem for you when you get married especially when it comes to your family. I would say he doesn't care about you, and what would be your feelings when he said bad things to your family, what if he become your husband what else he could say about your family. I'm a filipina and I would not let anybody to say against my family especially in front of me. Your fiancé is demanding for his protection in the Philippines, why don't you demand a little respect from him.
Hope it's not too late, but think what would be your future to him.. Cheers!

[emcel]

Hi sis! I'm really upset too on what your fiancé behaving. To be honest he's making excuses and not trusting you. There's a lot of members here who visited Philippines and even my husband..for how many times. He's not scared of treat because he thinks the only safe place he can go is to his love ones and to God. Your fiancé was looking on negative side why don't he look on positive side, Pinas is a wonderful place to visit. If he really wants to see and marry you, he don't make a second thought about it because he wants.
Secondly, that would be a problem for you when you get married especially when it comes to your family. I would say he doesn't care about you, and what would be your feelings when he said bad things to your family, what if he become your husband what else he could say about your family. I'm a filipina and I would not let anybody to say against my family especially in front of me. Your fiancé is demanding for his protection in the Philippines, why don't you demand a little respect from him.
Hope it's not too late, but think what would be your future to him.. Cheers!

thank you sis! yes i made my decisions not to talk him anymore and he is ring me and ring me now, i cant talk to him he is easily to say a words to me now and text me, hurting, me much, as above all conversations my friends i know u totally understand the text and shorcuts words. yes sis, i dont want to say any unrespect words to my family and friends. even i demand a respect and discuss this calm but he still insisting that he know my languages and google translation, im in the condition that hurt so much, sis, yes i can do it sis i need to move on all of this thing sis and thank you very much!

[emcel]

maybe he,s a bit of a mummys boy who is listening to comments about how dangerous the philippines might be and mummy don,t want him to go lol just make sure this guy is the one you really want because having these issues already in your relationship start to to ring alarm bells so be careful .As for the language side of things some people are more adapt than others myself well i,m useless after living nearly 2 years in cebu i,ve hardly learnt a word it won,t sink into my brain lol

i dont know he is so very paranoid with my languages, sentences, text words comments on facebook, sigh very very sigh:( im totaly weak now trying to boost my self in any possible way. thank you for ur concerns!

[Steve.r]

Listen, you need to be strong more now. This guy is just playing in my opinion, he is keeping your heart jumping with promises, but in the end, like has been said already, how can you marry a guy who cannot respect you or your family.
I told you that there are other guys, real 'men' who would love to meet a genuine Filipina, do not waste time in feeling sorry for him, see it as a lesson learnt. Also, Tarlac is not such a bad place, I am not too far from there myself and I have never felt unsafe while in the area.

Time to block him from your FB and Yahoo, or create a new name/username and get a new phone number so you are not always getting his hurtful messages.

[emcel]

Listen, you need to be strong more now. This guy is just playing in my opinion, he is keeping your heart jumping with promises, but in the end, like has been said already, how can you marry a guy who cannot respect you or your family.
I told you that there are other guys, real 'men' who would love to meet a genuine Filipina, do not waste time in feeling sorry for him, see it as a lesson learnt. Also, Tarlac is not such a bad place, I am not too far from there myself and I have never felt unsafe while in the area.

Time to block him from your FB and Yahoo, or create a new name/username and get a new phone number so you are not always getting his hurtful messages.

thank you so much Mr. Steve! yes i will, and realizing every thing that all times that we waste to him love and concern including my families member. I am so thankful above all that i know he give me this will, yes he dont deserve my best.. i will move on yes i can he is guiding me i know despite of what happen to me.. thank you so much!

[Iani]

Wow, well you have to have trust in a relationship, otherwise there is nothing. You also in a relationship such as yours, have to have respect.

I'd reply longer but I have to rush to work, and won't be home until extremely late - it's the works party.........aka massive drinking session.

Seriously though, this just doesn't sound good, and like others, I want you to have the best in your life, because that is what you deserve.

And yes, I was a little nervous about going to Philippines, yes let's be honest it is not the safest place in the world, but grief if you are going to see your loved on, you don't worry about things like that - especially when you realise it's safer than walking around Peckham at night (A not very nice part of London I know well).

As for kidnappings!! Well yes there is some of that, but really only in a few far south areas and even then it's a case of using common sense.

He's been accusing you of having gangland connections? I'm sorry but that's not respectful. As I said, there has to be trust and love, and to say that, it doesn't really sound the sort of thing you should say to a girlfriend.

I really hope it's just some sort of nervous arguement you two are having and this can be resolved, but I'm replying honestly and a bit more to the point than I might normally do, as you are obviously very worried to make this post.

Oh and friends to a SE Asia girl are very important, he needs to understand that and not get funny with them commenting on your FB.

[melovesengland]

In a relationship you need trust, communication, respect apart from love. It needs to come as a package.

I understand his side of being paranoid because he cant understand your native lengua BUT its not right if he said unacceptable words to your family, friends and specailly to you. thats a big

I understand your side of trying to make him understand whats going on and what youre friends have said on the social networking site BUT you should consider that your dialect is one of the most hard dialects ever to understand.

I am bisaya (davao) and my husband is very open to listen to me whats the meaning of the messages my friends sent me, also he tried his best to search the meaning on the internet and ask me if that is right. dialects/lanuages is never EVER a barrier between me and him.

I guess, if you both try to reach out again, give one more try and you know talk and explain things further to each other then it might help the GAP and tension that you having now in the relationship.

To YOUR BOYFRIEND: Try to understand that we have our own way of communicating, you should respect what your partners using. If she means to you, dont wait for the time that she'll give you up because of you being a nutter.

To YOU: If you cant stand things that he have said and things that he might say then leave him, YOU dont deserve to be treated like that.

[Dedworth]

More Facebook induced grief

[grahamw48]

Great start to a relationship.

[Trefor]

It's possible that he's worried and nervous, and having difficulty dealing with that so has said things which he doesn't really mean as a way of lashing out.
For someone who hasn't travelled much, and comes from an area where nobody really knows or has experience of different cultures from the Far East I should imagine its quite daunting. The horror stories in the UK media can put anyone off travelling for life if you believe it.

Once he takes that step and travels to the Philippines, everything will become different and much much clearer. He'll also meet more open minded people who can provide a broader outlook on life.

I think you both really need to talk, but if I'm honest when he sees that detailed information on your personal issues are being aired openly on the forum he might be a bit upset (I certainly would). If your both strong and determined you'll overcome these issues, but be warned a relationship between people of two different cultures can be straining at times. Even now when i've been with my wife for 6 years and we still have days when its like were from a different planet and don't understand each others issues.

I completely agree with Ricky's interpretation and comments.

[bigmarco]

Yesterday your boyfriend posted a thread about getting married next year and now you post this. If there's a problem with trust at this stage of the relationship then it doesn't bode well for the future.
When a foreigner asks you to marry them they are also asking you to make a lot of sacrifices so that you can be together in another country. So you really need to trust a man before making a decision like this. I don't think you really need anyone's advice on what to do here, your post says enough.
Good luck for the future.

[emcel]

Yesterday your boyfriend posted a thread about getting married next year and now you post this. If there's a problem with trust at this stage of the relationship then it doesn't bode well for the future.
When a foreigner asks you to marry them they are also asking you to make a lot of sacrifices so that you can be together in another country. So you really need to trust a man before making a decision like this. I don't think you really need anyone's advice on what to do here, your post says enough.
Good luck for the future.

Thank you guys!
yesterday yes he posted here and he was so happy while we talking at night, because of the motivation of what you give to him about P.I.

before he post here, we have a final re fix about relationship, that he feel shame about what attitudes he is showing to me and to my family because of the facebook freak comment.

he did this not only once and repeat and repeat again and again until he make promises not to be paranoid it facebook, until the last time saturday he was so panicking again because of the facebook comment of what he is doing translation in google or any website.

then until he make a rule not to use facebook until we both online, and see his feed on his facebook.

so lastnigt i slept until 2am, he was crying because he was so very happy and he feel lucky because the feed back on this forum are positive thoughts about Philippines,

and then today he rang me today he log on my facebook while my sleeping time on phil, then he said he is not happy because he translate well and get the sentence exactly about translator, he insist the bad words than that i understand on my language,

e.i tau=tayo
sau=sayo and etc etc. all comments on facebook are shortcut text,

i explained very cleary, the conversation before, and now he still insisting the knowledge of what his doing on translator,

i gave a lots of chances to him, even my families,to understand him,
8 months straight conversation i spent a lots time and focus,
i have also offers job abroad but i decide to wait him until, he come in philppines,

but to realize this all, how can be together in reality? if only facebook one he got insecurities peoples around me? what if in future, will happen this,

yes i love him still until now, but if he willing to go here i am going to face it, and to show me that he is really love me,

thank you so much y'all...

[ericthatcher]

yes agree emcel, agree if he really love you, he will come without any issues on your facebook, philippines and etc,then will see, stay strong and move on, you deserve more than your best
goodluck to you! my wife says : malagu ka!cheers

[andy222]

Hmmm tricky one. We have all heard some of the horror stories about fil girls and european guys. This leads us to be cautious. Where the phil girls have got us is that they understand english. We dont understand tagalog. If the op has been talking to guys in tagolog how is he supposed to know what she is saying?. Facebook is a pain in the ass. To gain trust you have to earn it. I am just making a point.

[grahamw48]

How many of these affairs end this way ? ...just to stir the pot.

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[andy222]

[jlags90]

I do not understand why your bf (i should say) is getting really hooked with your facebook posts when in fact, life doesn't revolve around in facebook and other social networking sites. He might just be thinking that once you post something in your language, you are talking about HIM!

Might be better if - you are posting something which concerns him - tell your friends to post it in English so he completely understands it.(it saves a lot of effort and time letting google do the job)

He will be coming to Pinas - it might change his opinions about the country and its culture once he is there.

[grahamw48]

I'll have be perfectly frank here and say that what happens before you actually MEET is largely 'pie in the sky' (or should that be 'cyberspace') anyway.