The butter knife analogy wasnt a good one and I apologise to graham for that as it was in answer to his post,I was logging off,I should have said bowie knife or lock knife or ice-axe or samurai sword,remember the old truism,if guns are criminalised only criminals will have guns,you cant second guess someone having a melt-down and running amok with whatever is at hand,but the states wont ban guns whatever anyone says or thinks,look at pinas,you have to have a very good reason to own a weapon yet a lot of guys I know over there have one squirrelled away somewhere,its too late to cage the beast we originally released.