Ex-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher dies

[Dedworth]

you'll find many more bosses who did even better, Former HBOS boss £590,000 pension :icon_lol http://money.uk.msn.com/ex-bank-boss...ghthood-back-1
thats more than some people will earn in a working life time in charge of a collapsed bank

employers who can get away with not paying pay rises, i know people who have not had a pay rise in 10yrs, the only increase they got was when the minimum wage was increased and changes in tax allowances,

sounds like many of you have never worked for a employer

Who gave that HBOS creep Crosby the knighthood (for services to the financial industry) in the first place ? Step forward Tony Blair

No pay rise for 10 years - 2003, well before the recession and half way through Labours tenure. I'm shocked that they allowed ordinary workers to be treated like this. I suppose "New Labour" were too busy buying expensive houses, sucking up to the city slickers and encouraging hordes of so called "asylum seekers" in.

Most of them have never worked for an employer - unless we include Councils, Union Jobs, Political Aides and Legal Aid Funded Barristers

[bigmarco]

£3660 a night. Not bad for a grocers daughter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-reading.html

[grahamw48]

Poor old Tony.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...orporated.html

[KeithD]

the news at the time said the ship was in retreat, so it was not a threat, shot in the back i say, a war crime

We've seen the ship on the bottom in the last couple of years by the same guys that done the Titanic. The way it was lying was pointing away from Argentina. Maybe you also missed the bit that HMS Conqueror, our nuclear sub, was being depth charged at the time by the Belgrano's covering destroyers?

So we were at war, our sub was under attack, the troop ships had fully armed destroyers with it, and we now have picture proof from an independent source that the ship was moving away from Argentina. The Belgrano's last order, picked up by the signals-intercept unit ordered the ship to meet up with other Argentinian warships inside the Exclusion Zone.

[J&G]

For any economists in the room, my friend just wrote an interesting blog on this topic.

Check it out here: http://shaundacosta.wordpress.com/20...e-hard-truths/

Thatcher, yes, her policies jolted the economy (i.e. GDP) back to life, but at what cost? - Income inequality (i.e. the rich-poor gap) and the overall proportion of the population living below the 60% median income both rose sharply! - Say what you will about the social issues, but these are the hard economic truths.

J & G

[imagine]

We've seen the ship on the bottom in the last couple of years by the same guys that done the Titanic. The way it was lying was pointing away from Argentina. Maybe you also missed the bit that HMS Conqueror, our nuclear sub, was being depth charged at the time by the Belgrano's covering destroyers?

So we were at war, our sub was under attack, the troop ships had fully armed destroyers with it, and we now have picture proof from an independent source that the ship was moving away from Argentina. The Belgrano's last order, picked up by the signals-intercept unit ordered the ship to meet up with other Argentinian warships inside the Exclusion Zone.

guess i'll retreat just dont shoot me in the back

[les_taxi]

guess i'll retreat just dont shoot me in the back

Just take it as a lesson Imagine, we were invaded, they sent ships to destroy us, we got them first

[London_Manila]

Think you will find some of these "union leaders" champions of the working class have done very well for themselves

They pay a union leader over 100k and the right wing gutter press make a meal about it (yawn)

Compared to the captains of industry who bank role the Tory party and the greedy bankers in the city
union leaders are not overpaid

Not all union leaders are like Scargill and most union leaders are doing a good job for their members who actually happen to be normal working people like myself

[KeithD]

who's territory is it really, im sure its not theirs or ours

It's ours. For the same reason as The Shetlands, Isle of Man & Jeresy are, or are we not allowed to control islands? Maybe we should just leave Anguilla, Ascension Islands, Bermuda, the British Antartic Territory, etc

If your argument is based on distance then all Western countries are invaders of Antarctica. Ulaniban Island is 718 miles from Manila, which is twice as far as the Falklands from Argentina so maybe they shouldn't have that.

Or if it is based on who landed on the island first, that was the British. No record of any Argies landing before us exists, nor does any evidence they ever lived on the island, so if they did land they decided it was a wasteland and went home and forgot about it. Our sovereignty goes back to 1690. Some Argies went to live on the island in the early 1800's but soon left, before that though the French had settled and left, and then the Spanish.... so both those countries have more right to the island than Argentina.

[KeithD]

£3660 a night. Not bad for a grocers daughter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-reading.html

It's her money she can spend it on what the hell she likes the same as no one tells you how to spend yours ... apart from your other half

[Terpe]

It's her money she can spend it on what the hell she likes the same as no one tells you how to spend yours ... apart from your other half

According to all reports she was invited to stay there by the owners. FOC

[bigmarco]

According to all reports she was invited to stay there by the owners. FOC

Yes you're right. She was given the suite by the Tax avoiding Barclay Brothers free of charge.
Despite being able to charge £3660 a night for a suite it may be worth noting that The Ritz hotel has paid no corporation tax in the UK by legally claiming reliefs for 17 years.

[KeithD]

Yes you're right. She was given the suite by the Tax avoiding Barclay Brothers free of charge.

That would also include anyone in the UK that uses an accountant, and those that work with cash, and many other folk who just submit incorrect information. It is human nature to pay less tax, everyone does it whenever they can, so please include ALL examples not just one.

[les_taxi]

This has been one of the strongest topics in ages and none of us are changing our mind no matter what is said

[stevie c]

Talking of thatcher it looks like ding dong the wicked witch is dead will be the uk no 1 in the charts it seems there are an enormous amount of people buying this track to celebrate thatcher is dead right or wrong it must send a message out that she was disliked but quite a number of people

[Dedworth]

Yes you're right. She was given the suite by the Tax avoiding Barclay Brothers free of charge.
Despite being able to charge £3660 a night for a suite it may be worth noting that The Ritz hotel has paid no corporation tax in the UK by legally claiming reliefs for 17 years.

It's their business and up to them if they dish out goodwill, evaluation rooms etc. I don't think the Telegraphs journos, printers and other employees will be too concerned that the Barclay Bros live in the Channel Islands and pay low tax.

Anyway hats off to the Telegraph journalists for exposing hypocritical leech Margaret Hodge MP.

Margaret Hodge's family company pays just 0.01pc tax on £2.1bn of business generated in the UK


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/b...in-the-UK.html

[Dedworth]

Talking of thatcher it looks like ding dong the wicked witch is dead will be the uk no 1 in the charts it seems there are an enormous amount of people buying this track to celebrate thatcher is dead right or wrong it must send a message out that she was disliked but quite a number of people

Half of the sickos buying it were infants when she was PM and first heard her name this week

[KeithD]

You'll find that the majority buying it weren't even born or old enough to have any idea what politics was. You would have to be at a stretch at least 40 years old, and how many 40+ use the likes of ITunes compared with less than 40? 17 and under use ITunes twice as much as all other age groups.

Plus it doesn't take many sales to get to No.1 otherwise Bieber wouldn't be known

[les_taxi]

You'll find that the majority buying it weren't even born or old enough to have any idea what politics was. You would have to be at a stretch at least 40 years old, and how many 40+ use the likes of ITunes compared with less than 40? 17 and under use ITunes twice as much as all other age groups.

Plus it doesn't take many sales to get to No.1 otherwise Bieber wouldn't be known

Yes why do we have the likes of Jedward around lol
It's just sheep following sheep

[grahamw48]

Confirmation, if any were needed, that the average citizen of this country is pretty dense, sheep-like, and will always be swayed by what spin the media puts on anything.

Maggie came along when this country needed a good kick up the backside, and she provided it. Quite simple.

Who's Bieber ?

[joebloggs]

It ours. For the same reason as The Shetlands, Isle of Man & Jeresy are, or are we not allowed to control islands? Maybe we should just leave Anguilla, Ascension Islands, Bermuda, the British Antartic Territory, etc

what about HK. i had seen a poll where most wanted to remain under British rule, yet gave it back to China

oh no surprise its Thatchers fault :icon_lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...a-1543375.html

[stevie c]

But they have probably been raised to know how hard & disgraceful life for their families was under the thatcher regime
It was a good time if you were rich but a living hell if you were a poor family

[Dedworth]

what about HK. i had seen a poll where most wanted to remain under British rule, yet gave it back to China

oh no surprise its Thatchers fault :icon_lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...a-1543375.html

What stream were you in for history at school Joe ? - under 19th century treaties with the Chinese we occupied Honkers under 99 year leases

[KeithD]

What stream were you in for history at school Joe ? - under 19th century treaties with the Chinese we occupied Honkers under 99 year leases

Yep. We had no choice but to give it back, just because you lease something for 100 years does not make it yours.

[les_taxi]

Never seen so many facts altered on a thread to win the argument!

[joebloggs]

What stream were you in for history at school Joe ? - under 19th century treaties with the Chinese we occupied Honkers under 99 year leases

what it comes down to is china got a bigger stick to hit her with than the argies

[joebloggs]

Never seen so many facts altered on a thread to win the argument!

what you mean there wasn't more people in poverty under thatcher? she didn't cut taxes for the rich

[les_taxi]

what about HK. i had seen a poll where most wanted to remain under British rule, yet gave it back to China

oh no surprise its Thatchers fault :icon_lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...a-1543375.html

No this one

[les_taxi]

there was no reason for them to, they were in retreat, it was obvious the conflict was over,
the point is the west insist there are rules of war, anything out of those rules is classed as a war crime, but its ok maggie could do whatever she wanted

Here is another, lots more dya want me to go on?

[joebloggs]

No this one

well its in the independent, where's your side from the sun or the Mirror

a war does good for nationalism, creates jobs as well as death and gets the people backing the gov