I am surprised anyone even believes their story for a second = gullible or what
Yes innocent until proven guilty but i am not going along with their story
Threats to the family like what ???
They were caught red handed and all these bola bola stories are just mitigating circumstances that might help them to get a lesser sentence
I agree with you completely!Originally Posted by johncar54
I agree with this too!
Opinions on here are based on what the press choose to report and NOT the facts that a court will see. We all know the press are very selective about what gets reported.
well we should find out soon, what, if anything, they will be charged with
@lordna...
Who said he couldn't express his view ?
Read my post.
They were caught with the Drugs Yes, but it MAY be that someone else was trying to smuggle them using the girls as the means of transport.
IMHO though, going by the press reports, it seems unlikely that these girls were as innocent as they make out...but then i don't believe we are in full possesion of all the facts which i am sure the court s will be. Let them be the judge of that.
Yes i did read your post and i thought that a couple of things in it were a bit personal and attempting to discredit the opinions expressed which IMHO were perfectly valid.@lordna...
Who said he couldn't express his view ?
Read my post.
The reason i mention it here is that on a number of occasions this has happened to me. It seems there is a "hard core" of opinion on this forum, and if you choose to air a different view not in accordance with them, posts are then made to try and ridicule the person.
Taking quotes your recent post:-
"Why must you be so pedantic, arrogant and miserable" has nothing to do with the subject but is a personal remark to the author, as where the references to him being an ex police officer.
You didn't say he couldn't express his view BUT you did probably make him feel uncomfortable enough to not even bother next time.
Most of his posts have been in the same vein recently...the big 'I know it all' because I used to be a policeman'.
Anyone not noticing that would have to be either blind or stupid.
That's why I have him on ignore and can only see his posts when they've been quoted by others.
I'm a a light-hearted cheerful person 99% of the time and I certainly don't consider myself special or in kind of clique on this board (I hate that kind of stuff anyway), but yes, some of us do have strong views and opinions. If other members feel they've been snubbed or insulted, then they can complain to the mods. We're all grownups, and certainly I'd expect ex-policemen ....as an example, to be made of pretty stern stuff, and to be able to cope with the literary hurly burly of an average forum.
All I was asking was for John not to come marching in with his 'innocent until proven guilty' proclamation like he was some judge with his little hammer.
Let's have a chat without trying to squash the views of others....however unpalatable they may seem.
There have been many times when I've been made to feel 'uncomfortable' too, but I'll be a man about it, even though that seems to be frowned upon in some quarters these days.
There are plenty of topics on the board for those of a more delicate constitution.
Knowing John via his previous posts,I doubt that Lordna!!
He is no shrinking violet.. Neither is Graham..
Me personally,I have no problem with these passionately held views ..(or how they conflict)
I enjoy this kind of debate.. Keeps everything honest and veers us away from the national PC type of agenda that seems to be spreading like wildfire throughout the UK.. Even online these days.
Say what you think!!
Graham... I think that you should take John off ignore as there is nothing wrong with alternative oppinions or how they clash.. The important thing is that opinions are aired.. Many without an opinion could well be swayed..On either side.
I think thats important.
String 'em up !
You would!!
As you know Fred I firmly believe in the value of deterrent sentences
You would!!
To a degree,so do I..As you know Fred I firmly believe in the value of deterrent sentences
But then my daughter is only 14 with NO chance of EVER visiting Ibiza with her friends..
Like I did!!
I suppose i should really expect a Yorkshireman to say it as it is!...and i would agree that 99% of the time you are light hearted and cheerful, i'm sure i speak for all of us who enjoy reading your posts, even if we don't always agree.Most of his posts have been in the same vein recently...the big 'I know it all' because I used to be a policeman'.
Anyone not noticing that would have to be either blind or stupid.
That's why I have him on ignore and can only see his posts when they've been quoted by others.
I'm a a light-hearted cheerful person 99% of the time and I certainly don't consider myself special or in kind of clique on this board (I hate that kind of stuff anyway), but yes, some of us do have strong views and opinions. If other members feel they've been snubbed or insulted, then they can complain to the mods. We're all grownups, and certainly I'd expect ex-policemen ....as an example, to be made of pretty stern stuff, and to be able to cope with the literary hurly burly of an average forum.
All I was asking was for John not to come marching in with his 'innocent until proven guilty' proclamation like he was some judge with his little hammer.
Let's have a chat without trying to squash the views of others....however unpalatable they may seem.
There have been many times when I've been made to feel 'uncomfortable' too, but I'll be a man about it, even though that seems to be frowned upon in some quarters these days.
There are plenty of topics on the board for those of a more delicate constitution.
One of the reasons i choose to contribute to this forum IS really because you do get to see different point of views. I would hate to think anyone would be discouraged by expressing their views even if i or others disagree.
I don't think us southerners have "a more delicate constitution" or need to be selective about the topics we comment on....but maybe we dont express ourselves in quite the same way!
Enough said...you take criticism in the good spirit it was intended and responded positively as usual! I must admit i have not followed Johns posts in particular so cannot comment.
I say bring back Apo and LastlidAlways good for a giggle
Totally agree LM and with Ded's take on itI am surprised anyone even believes their story for a second = gullible or what
Yes innocent until proven guilty but i am not going along with their story
Threats to the family like what ???
They were caught red handed and all these bola bola stories are just mitigating circumstances that might help them to get a lesser sentence
Until you been a victim of drugs and experienced the heartache it causes best to keep your liberal views is check. Spare a thought for those who continue to suffer.
BTW For John to say that the users are at fault for creating the demand is a crazy notion. I suspect too much midday sun John..wear a cap
it doesn't look good for them
IS THIS THE MOMENT MICHAELA WAS CAUGHT COLLECTING COKE HAUL?
http://www.belfastdaily.co.uk/2013/0...ing-coke-haul/
I don't think us southerners have "a more delicate constitution" or need to be selective about the topics we comment on...
From my view it has nothing much to do with differing opinions between people from "north" or South".. It has more to do with a new constitution that has been introduced stealthily by new age politicians that will soon be passing laws that will remove our old rights of free speech..
By the time I`m dead,my kids will not know the difference!!
For me,that is a scary proposition.
I`m not a conspiracy theorist by any means but I can really see how things have changed from when I was a youngster.. and not for the good IMO.
It`s about time we all stand up and say what we really feel and think... Sod the consequences!!
Ok...I've taken my meds now.
Ive seen loads of people taking drugs throughout the uk all during my life..
Do you really think by throwing a few young drug mules away in Peru it will (the problem) all eventually come to an end?
Its almost guaranteed that the flight that the girls were supposed to be on would have had 4 perhaps more mules aboard!!
The Cartels quite often dobb in one out of five mules to give a chance for the other 4 to get through..
These cartels and drug organisations can read immigration and the press like a book.
Cant you see that?
Not "differing opinions" , i was trying to highlight the approach rather than what was said. I don't really think there is any difference between North and South but as Graham is a yorkshireman who are well known for "saying it as it is" and I am from the south I thought I would make light heart of it!
I dont mind people saying what they think....but not if its likely to cause personal offence but maybe thats just me.
Now where did I put that sickbag ?I say bring back Apo and Lastlid
You could always nip over to the 'other' forum...only about 6 people posting on there, including Apo', 90% of it lastlid though (JohnAsh), who made it quite clear I was not welcome.
Sounds like he's slacking
...... there definitely SEEMS to be more to "the whole business" than meets the eye.
... *Lastlid ...... apparently ... like the 'Phoenix'
... *he's managed to rise from the "ashes"!!!
.........reminds me ...
... wonder if lAshtlid continues to "beaver away" - desperately trying to get the last word in - over on the OTHER forum? Does ANYONE
know?
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