Tory Taliban' burqa ban bill to be debated in parliament

[tiger31]

Why on earth not? you have the right to cover your face in public for example when an icy wind might be blowing. Its no different...anybody should have the right to wear what they want. Your argument about veiled up people fleeing the country...well maybe a point BUT i have said these people SHOULD be made to show their face for identification purposes ...thats all!

so how do you identify shop lifters ? plus western women should be allowed to wear what they want in saudi arabia correct ?

[les_taxi]

The debate will fail unfortunately but at least it's a start

[lordna]

Are you saying it's OK despite the majority of our population finding it insulting, threatening and hostile ?

A lot of people found the clothes and attire of Punks insulting, threatening and hostile...but thats just youth exercising their right to wear what they like...no different and YES its ok by me. I fail to see what could possibly be insulting, threatening or hostile about a black garnment where you can only see the wearers eyes. Live and let live I say!

[lordna]

The following article may help some understand why some women CHOOSE to wear the Burqa

http://people.howstuffworks.com/veil3.htm

[joebloggs]

if their reasons are true, why don't English women or European women wear it

if women were treated equally i might buy their excuses, but they are not

[lordna]

if their reasons are true, why don't English women or European women wear it

if women were treated equally i might buy their excuses, but they are not

Perhaps English women or European women don't wear it as a matter of choice.

So you want women treated equally...but dont want them to have the right to wear what they want?

[joebloggs]

Perhaps English women or European women don't wear it as a matter of choice.

So you want women treated equally...but dont want them to have the right to wear what they want?

so out of the millions of women in the uk, they don't wear it because its their choice, that tells you something then

are they treated equally i think you find they are not, do they have a choice to wear or not, as English women have

[lordna]

so how do you identify shop lifters ? plus western women should be allowed to wear what they want in saudi arabia correct ?

If a shopkeeper really feels that women wearing Burqa's are a real threat to his stock then he/she can probably impose the same rules to those wearing crash helmets or hoodies.

we are not arguing about the law in saudi arabia but whether the burqa can be worn in the UK. Here we have the freedom to wear what we want, lets not change it.

[fred]

we are not arguing about the law in saudi arabia but whether the burqa can be worn in the UK. Here we have the freedom to wear what we want, lets not change it.

Lordna... How about a little more parity and equal rights between countries.. I mean,what do these highly paid British diplomats do for their salaries and expense accounts abroad?
Here in the R.P we as Brits cannot own land,yet in the UK my wife as a Filipino has the same rights as I..
Do you think that is fair?
My wife doesn't.. She thinks that British people are being Royally screwed!
She tells me she cannot understand why the British public put up with it.
I agree with her.

[tiger31]

Lordna... How about a little more parity and equal rights between countries.. I mean,what do these highly paid British diplomats do for their salaries and expense accounts abroad?
Here in the R.P we as Brits cannot own land,yet in the UK my wife as a Filipino has the same rights as I..
Do you think that is fair?
My wife doesn't.. She thinks that British people are being Royally screwed!
She tells me she cannot understand why the British public put up with it.
I agree with her.

[lordna]

Lordna... How about a little more parity and equal rights between countries.. I mean,what do these highly paid British diplomats do for their salaries and expense accounts abroad?
Here in the R.P we as Brits cannot own land,yet in the UK my wife as a Filipino has the same rights as I..
Do you think that is fair?
My wife doesn't.. She thinks that British people are being Royally screwed!
She tells me she cannot understand why the British public put up with it.
I agree with her.

Maybe parity and equal rights between countries would be a good idea BUT not if it means erosion of the freedom we enjoy here that our fathers etc have fought hard for. Interesting thought but i believe a separate issue to the banning of burqas here in the UK.

[Dedworth]

Maybe parity and equal rights between countries would be a good idea BUT not if it means erosion of the freedom we enjoy here that our fathers etc have fought hard for. Interesting thought but i believe a seperate issue to the banning of burqas here in the UK.

Are you talking about the same fathers who turned in their graves after seeing these hard fought for freedoms abused by the likes of Hamza, Qatada and other proponents of the burka ?

[grahamw48]

Maybe we should ask the women members how they would feel, being obliged to walk about with a damned bag over their head, so that their insecure husband and OWNER didn't fret about some other man seeing his PROPERTY ?

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[Dedworth]

Maybe we should ask the women members how they would feel, being obliged to walk about with a damned bag over their head, so that their insecure husband and OWNER didn't fret about some other man seeing his PROPERTY ?

Pointless Graham - there are more important issues at stake :-

Here we have the freedom to wear what we want, lets not change it.

[grahamw48]

Right, I'm going out just in my Y-fronts tomorrow then.

[bigmarco]

The following article may help some understand why some women CHOOSE to wear the Burqa

http://people.howstuffworks.com/veil3.htm

The following article from Polly Toynbee of THE GUARDIAN may help others understand why it should be banned.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...on.afghanistan

[Jamesey]

I generally agree with Lordna on this. If women, or men, want to wear a particular garment in public then let them do it! However, any form of coercion or force is obviously wrong.

The same sort of rules should apply as with motorcycle helmets, so shops and banks should be able to see their customers' faces.

Burkas should be banned for teachers, nurses and any other public sector employees. Also, employers should be able to ban them in their workplaces. There is already too much pandering to ridiculous religious doctrines in the workplace and public.

Also, this country cannot be compared to countries like Saudi Arabia. Their despicable Islamic based laws are a disgrace. Another terrible example here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...?utm_hp_ref=tw

I'm fully behind fighting Islamic oppression of women, but a Burka ban doesn't seem like the best way forward.

[lordna]

Maybe we should ask the women members how they would feel, being obliged to walk about with a damned bag over their head, so that their insecure husband and OWNER didn't fret about some other man seeing his PROPERTY ?

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Unfortunately we have no way of knowing if they are obliged to wear it or do it by choice

[marksroomspain]

I certainly don't want this Christian country of ours turned into an Islamic state and Sharia law brought in which the extremists certainly want.

Yes they choose to come to our country and some have no intention of integrating into our society whatsoever.

I have worked in the middle east on numerous occasions and the girls there go around shopping malls not dressed like they do here but actually look more westernised.

It just makes you think...

[Ako Si Jamie]

This law is going to really piss off the Muslims.

And for that reason, I'm in!

[les_taxi]

I had the misfortune to drive through Bradford today and its a scary sight what you see, I live only 16 miles away and thank god it's a different world in Harrogate
i was told by my customer that she had witnessed Islamic Saudi Arabians landing at Manchester dressed in all the usual garb, upon clearing customs off with the headdress and whatever they wear to reveal western expensive watches, aftershave clothes etc. they are a bunch of hypocrites using their law when it suits them.
When we wake up to this it will be a great day - at the moment many of us are still in the dark ages for refusing to accept what we see before us in the guise of multi culturism

[grahamw48]

Actually, I must stop getting drawn into this stuff.

Life's too short.

I've mostly been doing this , this evening (it looks easy cos I'm good ).

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[Ako Si Jamie]

Seriously though, I don't think this will happen in all honesty.

[tiger31]

Maybe we should ask the women members how they would feel, being obliged to walk about with a damned bag over their head, so that their insecure husband and OWNER didn't fret about some other man seeing his PROPERTY ?

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[tiger31]

I had the misfortune to drive through Bradford today and its a scary sight what you see, I live only 16 miles away and thank god it's a different world in Harrogate
i was told by my customer that she had witnessed Islamic Saudi Arabians landing at Manchester dressed in all the usual garb, upon clearing customs off with the headdress and whatever they wear to reveal western expensive watches, aftershave clothes etc. they are a bunch of hypocrites using their law when it suits them.
When we wake up to this it will be a great day - at the moment many of us are still in the dark ages for refusing to accept what we see before us in the guise of multi culturism

have you had a bin bag in your taxi yet les lol ?

[lordna]

Having now seen both sides of the argument, i wouldn't want anyone forced to wear something they didn't want to which is what the Guardian article appears to be saying but still think here in the UK you should be able to wear what you want.

At the end of the day if they do ban the Burqa how on earth will they enforce it?...still think it won't happen!

[joebloggs]

Having now seen both sides of the argument, i wouldn't want anyone forced to wear something they didn't want to which is what the Guardian article appears to be saying but still think here in the UK you should be able to wear what you want.

At the end of the day if they do ban the Burqa how on earth will they enforce it?...still think it won't happen!

EQUALITY, something women don't have in this country never mind some place where they shoot a school girl in the head and stone women to death

my wife the other day told me a Asian woman came into the surgery to see here and she had her husband was with her, my misses started to talk to her and her 'husband' said, i'll speak for my wife


ask your self why British women don't wear them, maybe because they don't have to , and no one would if they didn't have to


I've never seen Heidi klum wearing one and she must get at lot

[tiger31]

Having now seen both sides of the argument, i wouldn't want anyone forced to wear something they didn't want to which is what the Guardian article appears to be saying but still think here in the UK you should be able to wear what you want.

At the end of the day if they do ban the Burqa how on earth will they enforce it?...still think it won't happen!

well the french are enforcing it, so we can also .If you carry on appeasing these people before you know it they will be trying to enforce sharia law and all the rest of the crap that goes with it .I will not live along side these islamists multi culturisim does not and will never work .

[Dedworth]

Well done Birmingham Metropolitan College

Muslim students banned from wearing religious veils at college for 'security reasons'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2eUqDgAJX

The veiled up females outraged by this should go and get an education in one of the stone age karzi states

[grahamw48]

well the french are enforcing it, so we can also .If you carry on appeasing these people before you know it they will be trying to enforce sharia law and all the rest of the crap that goes with it .I will not live along side these islamists multi culturisim does not and will never work .

THAT is exactly what has been happening in this country for too many years now. WHY ?

We now have a country where there are different rules and standards of acceptable behaviour for different 'communities'...starting with the crash helmet/turban nonsense.

Bound to be devisive, and totally ridiculous.