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    Quote Originally Posted by les_taxi View Post
    Yes Im all for fit and able bodied to do something for society instead of just taking it out, i pick some of these slobs up - they will never work while they get benefits and sell a bit of wacky baccy on the side
    Yes no one should sit at home and just spent their life on handouts
    Im all for getting them to do something but i feel they will just end up as free labour for local councils
    (more jobs lost)

    I still think there is a real employment problem out there and i would like to know where the Tories think all these jobs are

    Mass unemployment is not confined only to the Uk and not everyone who claims benefits are work shy

    The right wing gutter press would have you believe that jobs are so easy to find these days and everyone on benefits must be lazy and not looking for work

    The drivel the right wing press print is normally alarmist Tory propaganda nonsense

    The country is NOT full of unemployed couples with 13 kids and enjoying the good life on benefits !


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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Manila View Post

    I still think there is a real employment problem out there and i would like to know where the Tories think all these jobs are
    The Eastern Europeans don't have a problem finding the work...I think best to ask them where the jobs are


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    Quote Originally Posted by gWaPito View Post
    The Eastern Europeans don't have a problem finding the work...I think best to ask them where the jobs are
    It appears the British companies are advertising jobs in other European countries in their own language, Tesco is the biggest culprit and others have followed!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Parnham View Post
    It appears the British companies are advertising jobs in other European countries in their own language, Tesco is the biggest culprit and others have followed!
    Cheap labour is all they are
    Part of the reason why pay rates are so paltry these days is because this lot will work for peanuts

    Another influx in the new year so Fat Cats of industry will not have to increase their rates of pay


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Parnham View Post
    It appears the British companies are advertising jobs in other European countries in their own language, Tesco is the biggest culprit and others have followed!
    I agree Michael.....Even my wife couldn't get a job on the tills.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gWaPito View Post
    The Eastern Europeans don't have a problem finding the work...I think best to ask them where the jobs are
    Eastern Europeans see our minimum wage as a pay rise and when you are living in over crowded accommodation paying little rent then the minimum wage may be alright

    For normal people living with families its just an insult


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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Manila View Post

    For normal people living with families its just an insult
    Years ago, in the 40s 50s and to some degree the 60s, that's how us British lived. ..We did rumble together just like they do in these 3rd world countries. ..trouble is, we've become accustomed to living above our means. We've conveniently forgotten where we've come from in such a short space of time. ...people have forgotten how to survive and be happy


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    Round here there is always plenty of litter and dog mess left by thoughtless people, that would keep some occupied picking up.
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    They've just piled back out of the van after a night nicking copper cable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahamw48 View Post
    They've just piled back out of the van after a night nicking copper cable.


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    The one country in Europe that appears to be thriving is Germany. Maybe we should follow their example and not have a minimum wage


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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonH View Post
    The one country in Europe that appears to be thriving is Germany. Maybe we should follow their example and not have a minimum wage

    Eastern European migrant workers face slave labour in Germany



    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../germ-a30.html

    If Germany’s economic model is the future of Europe, we should all be quite troubled.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f975822-1...44feabdc0.html
    http://www.filipinouk.com/forum/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=870&dateline=1270312908


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post

    Eastern European migrant workers face slave labour in Germany



    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../germ-a30.html

    If Germany’s economic model is the future of Europe, we should all be quite troubled.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f975822-1...44feabdc0.html

    Links to the World Socialist Web Site now they wouldn't be biased would they

    I'll take that link and raise you http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/gdp-growth
    some facts


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post

    Eastern European migrant workers face slave labour in Germany



    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../germ-a30.html

    If Germany’s economic model is the future of Europe, we should all be quite troubled.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f975822-1...44feabdc0.html
    No one's forcing these foreigners to go work in Germany for slave labour wages. They could quite simply stay in their own country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gWaPito View Post
    No one's forcing these foreigners to go work in Germany for slave labour wages. They could quite simply stay in their own country.
    well being the EU's biggest economy maybe they thought they could get a decent wage there oh hang on, maybe they are copying the worlds second largest economy - China, i wonder if they have unions over there unlike here where even thou's who are against unions still take the benefits the unions fought for

    anyway why the should i go and work for benefits I've already paid into , you dont pay twice for anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    well being the EU's biggest economy maybe they thought they could get a decent wage there oh hang on, maybe they are copying the worlds second largest economy - China, i wonder if they have unions over there unlike here where even thou's who are against unions still take the benefits the unions fought for

    anyway why the should i go and work for benefits I've already paid into , you dont pay twice for anything
    and why should i keep paying the taxes I pay month in month out when im not going to get any benefits from...at least hopefully not yet!

    It's a cross we all have to carry Joe..It's for King and country


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    Quote Originally Posted by gWaPito View Post
    No one's forcing these foreigners to go work in Germany for slave labour wages. They could quite simply stay in their own country.
    There's a lot of Roma there turning parts of some Ruhr cities into stinking ghetto no go areas. Doing nicely on thieving and benefits, they're not bothered about min wages or not



    http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope...be-news-519520


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    There's a lot of Roma there turning parts of some Ruhr cities into stinking ghetto no go areas. Doing nicely on thieving and benefits, they're not bothered about min wages or not



    http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope...be-news-519520
    Nice work if you can get


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    The problem is that this is just another soundbite from an out of touch government, which they know will be immensely popular.........to those who don't think too hard on what's really going on.

    Thing is, everyone knows the despised sub class, who hang around town centres during "working hours" - except they aren't working of course. They always have money for cigs, they always have money to get drunk, or afford a new piece of string for the "staffie".
    There they are getting drunk and shouting abuse at their "betters" - in other words just about everyone who is either working or retired.

    WE are their employers, because OUR taxes pay for these idle 's to not to have to work. Or they might be on incapacity benefit because they can't work, because a few years ago they hurt their back, or have depression (Guess what, I have an occasional bad back, but I take asprin and go to work, and I used to be on antidepressants, but I took up physical activity, got out, got a life and got over it with the help of friends and a very jovial doctor who was also a bit of a lad and said it as it was).

    These people are the ones everyone hates and would like to see the idle parasites be made to work.

    But hang one............

    1. They might have kids, there is no way they will have benefits cut if this is the case, there is no way they can be turfed out their council houses..........and even if they were, the social would then pay private landlords.

    2. Some wouldn't work anyway, they'd just turn to criminal activities.

    3. There just isn't the jobs! Who is going to employ a lazy drunk? And don't say they could work for McDonalds etc.........the people working there, some might not be the most intelligent, but they are hard workers, many are students wanting some money and working in a fun vibrant environment for while.....in short, these places deserve better workers than that.

    4. So maybe councils could be made to take them on...........ermmmm, then whose current job will be lost, which department already does these jobs and would be displaced in favour of subsidised cheap labour?

    One solution would be councils starting up new departments, to scrub pavements of gum, make public parks into pristine places (Which would be a brilliant turnabout as so often our public parks are turned into hellholes by these people hanging around them, they could tidy up the mess instead).........but what would be the cost? This would need supervisors, and people who could handle themselves at that for the inevitable hassle such "employees" would cause.

    Then what about the genuine fallen on bad times people? Again jobs aren't exactly plentiful, should they also be forced into this?

    Top and bottom of it is, everyone knows the feckless who this should be aimed at, whose only contributions to society are the birth rate, crime rate and benefits bill.
    These people though, successive governments just won't tackle, instead they go after easier targets.

    Again, it's just a meaningless soundbite


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iani View Post
    The problem is that this is just another soundbite from an out of touch government, which they know will be immensely popular.........to those who don't think too hard on what's really going on.

    Thing is, everyone knows the despised sub class, who hang around town centres during "working hours" - except they aren't working of course. They always have money for cigs, they always have money to get drunk, or afford a new piece of string for the "staffie".
    There they are getting drunk and shouting abuse at their "betters" - in other words just about everyone who is either working or retired.

    WE are their employers, because OUR taxes pay for these idle 's to not to have to work. Or they might be on incapacity benefit because they can't work, because a few years ago they hurt their back, or have depression (Guess what, I have an occasional bad back, but I take asprin and go to work, and I used to be on antidepressants, but I took up physical activity, got out, got a life and got over it with the help of friends and a very jovial doctor who was also a bit of a lad and said it as it was).

    These people are the ones everyone hates and would like to see the idle parasites be made to work.

    But hang one............

    1. They might have kids, there is no way they will have benefits cut if this is the case, there is no way they can be turfed out their council houses..........and even if they were, the social would then pay private landlords.

    2. Some wouldn't work anyway, they'd just turn to criminal activities.

    3. There just isn't the jobs! Who is going to employ a lazy drunk? And don't say they could work for McDonalds etc.........the people working there, some might not be the most intelligent, but they are hard workers, many are students wanting some money and working in a fun vibrant environment for while.....in short, these places deserve better workers than that.

    4. So maybe councils could be made to take them on...........ermmmm, then whose current job will be lost, which department already does these jobs and would be displaced in favour of subsidised cheap labour?

    One solution would be councils starting up new departments, to scrub pavements of gum, make public parks into pristine places (Which would be a brilliant turnabout as so often our public parks are turned into hellholes by these people hanging around them, they could tidy up the mess instead).........but what would be the cost? This would need supervisors, and people who could handle themselves at that for the inevitable hassle such "employees" would cause.

    Then what about the genuine fallen on bad times people? Again jobs aren't exactly plentiful, should they also be forced into this?

    Top and bottom of it is, everyone knows the feckless who this should be aimed at, whose only contributions to society are the birth rate, crime rate and benefits bill.
    These people though, successive governments just won't tackle, instead they go after easier targets.

    Again, it's just a meaningless soundbite
    Excellent forum post Ian

    I've sent you a deserved rep


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iani View Post

    Thing is, everyone knows the despised sub class, who hang around town centres during "working hours"
    Otherwise known as traffic wardens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iani View Post
    WE are their employers, because OUR taxes pay for these idle 's to not to have to work.
    Leave the Royal Family out of this!


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    Excellent post
    Long and the short of it............................. castrate the feckless


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    This is turning into the Jamie Oliver thread all over again :


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    This is going no where, I did give you an example of my best friend who started in Sainsburys bakery part time who is now working in their London head office, but not everyone has the drive or inclination do succeed.
    Maybe we should just agree to differ
    In my ideal world the hard workers succeed and become chiefs, and I think your ideal world is a concept known as communism. Each to their own


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    1000s of shelf stackers, maybe even 100,000+
    3,150 stores, so that's 3150 managers, i wonder how many Business Systems Analyst they have at tesco 100??
    err that's out of a UK work force of over 310,000
    http://www.tescoplc.com/index.asp?pageid=280

    like i said not enough well paid jobs for everyone at the top no matter how hard they all work
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    but didnt a woman sue over the same thing on been made to go to work on human rights crap


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    and

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    You have good taste in comedy Joe.


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    When I retired from the NHS in 2008, I was working in Supplies and my gross wage was around 11,000 a year, as were most of the jobs in support services for the workers.
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