A Fact
If the minimum wage had gone up at the same rate as directors pay over the last 5 years it would be £19 an hour now
Before you Tory boys jump in and tell me that the companies cant afford it
Well the same companies have no problem in upping the directors pay to ridiculous levels
I'm going to guess that's a mixture of:Originally Posted by London_Manila
A Fact
If the minimum wage had gone up at the same rate as directors pay over the last 5 years it would be £19 an hour now
Before you Tory boys jump in and tell me that the companies cant afford it
Well the same companies have no problem in upping the directors pay to ridiculous levels
a. There's a lot more "normal workers" than directors, so a tiny increase to normal hard workers who could really do with an increase to buy things like........ummm....bread? Would cost a lot more than giving a few grand extra to the handful of directors.
b. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, and directors decide pay.
Oh and don't get me started on golden handshakes/goodbyes.
Always the same though isn't it. £5000 wage rise is nothing to a director, but imagine how it could change the lives of the people who do the REAL work
So the smart thing to do is to make it a mission to BE a director!A Fact
If the minimum wage had gone up at the same rate as directors pay over the last 5 years it would be £19 an hour now
If you have a problem with your pay then get another job.
If you think you are not qualified to get another job,GET qualified.
If you think that you can do a better job paying wages than your employer does, DO what he did.. Invest/risk your money,start a business and put YOUR money where your mouth is in your employees pockets!!
Otherwise...Work hard, be loyal to the guy that pays you and stop bloody moaning.
FACT..
Its boring.
true,
but I've seen little loyalty from some employers to their workers thou
What do you suggest then Joe??...Perhaps get a job with 16 hrs per week so it doesn't upset one's benefits maybe??...or go the whole hog and not bother at alltrue,
but I've seen little loyalty from some employers to their workers thou
what's loyalty got to do with 16hrs aweek ?What do you suggest then Joe??...Perhaps get a job with 16 hrs per week so it doesn't upset one's benefits maybe??...or go the whole hog and not bother at all
GwaPito most wouldn't complain if they had the same pay and benefits you get from your employer gained thru your Union
I've always been happy wherever I've worked....If I became unhappy, I'd move on to the next, it's as simply as that.what's loyalty got to do with 16hrs aweek ?
GwaPito most wouldn't complain if they had the same pay and benefits you get from your employer gained thru your Union
Most wouldn't complain of my pay and benefits but, that would change if they knew what I had to do to get it..everything comes with a price Joe....even so called good jobs...anyway, it's goodnight from him..I gotta be up in 4 hours to do it all again
These days,Ive got the best employer Ive ever had in my life.He`s extremely loyal.true,
but I've seen little loyalty from some employers to their workers thou
Me.
I worked for a company for many years doing the work 99% of my colleagues couldn't manage. I also had offers from other firms but stayed loyal to these lot. When I was on HOLIDAY they phoned me up asking me to come in as they couldn't cope. In hindsight I would have told them to f off but like the loyal and committed worker I was, I went in.
And the thanks I got?
Not long after, I was rewarded with a 50% pay cut and at the same time, they were hiring people with zero experience on the same money.
Fair?
Within my rights to moan?
Wouldn't you?
loyalty
The only loyalty I've got is for No1.....If my employer benefits then so be it...The extra miles I do is for meloyalty
The only loyalty I've got is for No1.....If my employer benefits then so be it...The extra miles I do is for meand i had known and worked for him for 10yrs
I personally think this is the crux of the issue and some of these words I tend to repeat to people who tell me I'm lucky.
One of the bottom lines here is that living on benefits should not pay the same as being in a job.
As I recall benefits are a temporary situation, not a lifestyle. Under the previous government they happily allowed too many people to make this a lifestyle.
The next bottom line is we can't afford to continue like this so making people do something that gives 'community back' will no doubt repay the community that helped them during unemployment.
I was out of work and still had bills and maintenance to pay - it took me 3 months to find a job and I didn't sign on until end of the first month but the whole process was very uncomfortable.
Company bosses are the people who are fruits of their own labour - they are the bosses because they took the lead. So why shouldn't they pay themselves what they think they are worth?
They educated themselves and raised their heads up, focused on developing their careers where a lot of unemployed people couldn't care less.
So the divide between some of these people will increase.
We live in a free enterprise society where you can get on the internet and learn a lot of skills, but you have to be bothered.
The last bottom line will be this - if this policy sees the light of day the new government won't repeal it, they may say they will but they won't because whoever wins the election will need to get their house in order.
And of course Ed balls will have a new credit card to go spending on.
I was in California last month in Silicon Valley and met a lot of IT people and they were all happy and smiling because whilst their education was paying they were paying a max of 35% tax and they saw plenty of their hard earned money..
There is no point taxing to the hilt a group of people because they will walk - as ever everything has to be balanced.
I would imagine a guy or girl on £100k is paying about £35k in tax and has no tax allowance. A guy in sainsburys earning £20k would be paying £2k a year. The statement that the rich should pay more is true - they are.
Let the lifestyle sponges earn their benefit but anyone who is on benefits for just a few months should be supported to find another job.. I mentioned when is out of work, the job centre couldn't help me find a job.. But they had to see I was trying..
have you ever been on the dole or benefits tone?, if not your are lucky
well being on benefits will not pay for a trip to the phils (nor should it) or a state pension (thou i think it should be enough that you can save something)One of the bottom lines here is that living on benefits should not pay the same as being in a job.
As I recall benefits are a temporary situation, not a lifestyle. Under the previous government they happily allowed too many people to make this a lifestyle.
if you've paid in, then you should be able to take out, if you haven't thats a different matter. those who paid in why should they do community work ?The next bottom line is we can't afford to continue like this so making people do something that gives 'community back' will no doubt repay the community that helped them during unemployment.
you've answered my first question, but what about people who don't have any savings and have to sign on straight away, some people have applied for 100s of jobs and got nowhere, thou some people have probably never applied for a job, so you felt uncomfortable, what would you feel like after 6 months or a yr ?I was out of work and still had bills and maintenance to pay - it took me 3 months to find a job and I didn't sign on until end of the first month but the whole process was very uncomfortable.
i think anyone who works should get enough to live off, a crazy idea but a fair days pay for a fair days work , not all employers are the same tone, i know of people who have work for the same employer and not had a pay rise in 10 years, yet they live in £1m+ housesCompany bosses are the people who are fruits of their own labour - they are the bosses because they took the lead. So why shouldn't they pay themselves what they think they are worth?
and some people avoid paying tax, move money off shore, claim benefits they shouldn't.I would imagine a guy or girl on £100k is paying about £35k in tax and has no tax allowance. A guy in sainsburys earning £20k would be paying £2k a year. The statement that the rich should pay more is true - they are.
obviously it depends on your age, I'm sure its more difficult to get a job for a someone in their 50's compared to someone who's in their 20's, also if your skills if you have any are in demand.Let the lifestyle sponges earn their benefit but anyone who is on benefits for just a few months should be supported to find another job.. I mentioned when is out of work, the job centre couldn't help me find a job.. But they had to see I was trying..
Talking about pay rises Joe, all my working life never had a pay rise in 50 years, I had to move to a different company every five years for my pay increase, never known a company that gave annual wage increases!
have you ever been on the dole or benefits tone?, if not your are lucky
well being on benefits will not pay for a trip to the phils (nor should it) or a state pension (thou i think it should be enough that you can save something)
if you've paid in, then you should be able to take out, if you haven't thats a different matter. those who paid in why should they do community work ?
you've answered my first question, but what about people who don't have any savings and have to sign on straight away, some people have applied for 100s of jobs and got nowhere, thou some people have probably never applied for a job, so you felt uncomfortable, what would you feel like after 6 months or a yr ?
i think anyone who works should get enough to live off, a crazy idea but a fair days pay for a fair days work , not all employers are the same tone, i know of people who have work for the same employer and not had a pay rise in 10 years, yet they live in £1m+ houses
and some people avoid paying tax, move money off shore, claim benefits they shouldn't.
obviously it depends on your age, I'm sure its more difficult to get a job for a someone in their 50's compared to someone who's in their 20's, also if your skills if you have any are in demand.
Thats the way to do it Michael..Talking about pay rises Joe, all my working life never had a pay rise in 50 years, I had to move to a different company every five years for my pay increase, never known a company that gave annual wage increases!
Don't moan about minimum wages and no pay rises.Just quietly plan to get another job!!
I used to find it tiresome listening to some people gripe for years about their employers for one reason or another, always threatening to leave..(miserable .....) I knew damned well they would be there for the rest of their lives...being miserable!!
Sad old buggers.
Talking about pay rises Joe, all my working life never had a pay rise in 50 years, I had to move to a different company every five years for my pay increase, never known a company that gave annual wage increases!, thats
some much for loyalty from your employer
must agree with you on this MichaelTalking about pay rises Joe, all my working life never had a pay rise in 50 years, I had to move to a different company every five years for my pay increase, never known a company that gave annual wage increases!
Directors pay goes through roof and workers on the shop floor don't even get a pay rise
Thats not boring its a bloody disgrace and these fats cats don't like passing the rewards down to the workers
Actually my personal position is quite good and i am happy with my pay rates and working conditions
I do spare a thought for other people though and i feel sorry for many other workers in this country
FRED whether you agree with this or not many workers in this country are treated in a disgusting manner
The fat cats attitude is "well you should be lucky to have a job"
That kind of attitude does not inspire loyalty !
Excellent response LMDirectors pay goes through roof and workers on the shop floor don't even get a pay rise
Thats not boring its a bloody disgrace and these fats cats don't like passing the rewards down to the workers
Actually my personal position is quite good and i am happy with my pay rates and working conditions
I do spare a thought for other people though and i feel sorry for many other workers in this country
FRED whether you agree with this or not many workers in this country are treated in a disgusting manner
The fat cats attitude is "well you should be lucky to have a job"
That kind of attitude does not inspire loyalty !
Respect for that comment LM. You deserve some rep sir.
, never work for family or friends thou
i did some work experience at RBS cant remember if it was with school or college thou, no, its was when they were making money
their downfall had nothing to do with me, but it prepares you for the world of work thou
Good post Tone.
Benefits shouldn't be there to support a 'lifestyle' either, IMO.
The basics.
Need more, start selling your stuff, get rid of the 5 dogs and cats, give up smoking, etc. Might concentrate the mind on finding work.
Thanks Graham the other one is Sky TV!Good post Tone.
Benefits shouldn't be there to support a 'lifestyle' either, IMO.
The basics.
Need more, start selling your stuff, get rid of the 5 dogs and cats, give up smoking, etc. Might concentrate the mind on finding work.
Good post Tone.... yours's a very sensible viewpoint, Tone!
True !
You'd think they'd be too busy looking for a blinkin job !
This country is WASTEFUL of its human resources.
Consider all of the skills that were flushed down the drain when we foolishly relinquished our manufacturing industries to the third world.
Were their skills utilised ? In the majority of cases....no.
Another thing. We are ASHAMED of people who are employed in sales and marketing.
Additionally, the whole system of production and marketing...indeed, EVERYTHING in daily life is smothered in added-cost red tape and regulation.
Simply put, as a country we have saddled ourselves with an enormous yoke.
I won't even go into the appalling standard of basic education in this country now....as a result of chasing targets and ticking boxes. The lowest common denominator rules !
Who cares if we're all dummies living in a second-rate country whose prospects are steadily getting more and more hopeless, while the rest of the world moves on past ?
So true.
Good post Tone!!
Rep sent!
It all sounds like the return of the work houses from years ago.
Get the unemployed cleaning the streets, you wont need the street cleaners, they will lose their jobs, will have to sign on and then be put to work doing the same job, only for nothing, or rather their dole money.
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