Jobless 'To Be Forced To Work' For Benefits

[grahamw48]

It all sounds like the return of the work houses from years ago.

Get the unemployed cleaning the streets, you wont need the street cleaners, they will lose their jobs, will have to sign on and then be put to work doing the same job, only for nothing, or rather their dole money.

What street cleaners ?

They're already signing on by the look of my town.

Yes, please give some of these unemployed smackheads a brush and shovel, and give those who WANT to work some proper training that will actually get them a JOB, not just add to the profits of some privatised so-called training agency.

Clamp down on ageism too !

[joebloggs]

What street cleaners ?

They're already signing on by the look of my town.

shut down of council services, with the cuts from central gov they don't have the money to pay for the services any longer

[grahamw48]

shut down of council services, with the cuts from central gov they don't have the money to pay for the services any longer

Exactly, and that was why I wrote what I did in my complete post.

Councils being short of cash isn't going to change anytime soon, but the way the unemployed are treated/re-trained IS something that can be changed.

[mickcant]

shut down of council services, with the cuts from central gov they don't have the money to pay for the services any longer

But plenty of money paid to trumped up jobs for officials!
Mick.

[stevewool]

every year has been the same for as long as i can remember, yes the dark days when the question was, can we have a pay rise, the answer , you have a job think yourself lucky and indeed we was lucky to be in work,
The last few years we have had a percentage rise, and once the ones who has money worked it out , thats a bloody wast of time its worked out at so and so, well my thoughts was thats a little extra to go away, we all have to cut your cloth accordinglyto what we have and what we can get for that amount, good luck to anyone earning more then me and those who dont , well get another job or spend it wise

[Pete/London]

Clamp down on ageism too !

No, get rid of the coffin dodgers at 65 to make room for the youngsters.

If you tweak benefits a bit to make it the bare minimum and then up rates of pay to a proper living wage the problem will subside. Also make attendance at job centres more frequent.

I don't think a lot of the unemployed are lazy, just crafty, as I reckon most of them are working cash in hand somewhere.

[grahamw48]

No, get rid of the coffin dodgers at 65 to make room for the youngsters.

If you tweak benefits a bit to make it the bare minimum and then up rates of pay to a proper living wage the problem will subside. Also make attendance at job centres more frequent.

I don't think a lot of the unemployed are lazy, just crafty, as I reckon most of them are working cash in hand somewhere.

Pete, some of us (I'm 62) will find that term offensive.

I'm all for opportunities for the young. My own son is 20, and needs a future.

However, there SHOULD be opportunities for all, if we can weed out some of the parasites and if our government (well, a succession of them) can get their heads out of their Rses and properly sort out some MEANINGFUL training and recruitment in this country, that will actually produce candidates able to do some productive work geared to current business and commerce.

[Pete/London]

Pete, some of us (I'm 62) will find that term offensive.

Please accept my apologies, no offence meant

[les_taxi]

Even in Harrogate,there are plenty of tossers, who don't intend getting a job - why would they everything is free

Taxis to job centre

Lazy ..... I would give em basic food rations, house em in a communal shithouse till they make an effort to work
Any quality goods they have acquired - top trainers, big tvs etc I would have 'looked after' til they start working

[robbie bobby]

Lets face it there are going to be 2 different categories here.

Number 1. Those who would love to do any kind of work and for them it will not be an issue, It will help them gain self confidence and maybe whatever they are put doing might even end up a real job.

Number 2. Those that have no interest in working abnd are more than happy to scrounge from the rest of us that pay tax.

For the second group it will be in their eyes "forced labour" as they have no wish to work. Get them out there grafting

[grahamw48]

Well, as you'll know Les, I spent 2 years working at the Harrogate 'dole office'.

Little has changed since I was there, apart from computerisation (they even use exactly the same basic forms, filled in by hand, and I can give you the ref. numbers of them ).

Still a lot of bone idle wasters signing on. Still a lot of genuine people trying to find work, but not supported and helped PROPERLY by PROFESSIONALS, AND often subject to unfair treatment by ignorant and unqualified recruitment 'consultants'.

There is far too much amateurism in the business world of this country, and far too many slackers, liars and cheats in positions of authority.

Most of my working life has been as a self-employed sales manager/sales trainer though, and the majority of that time working on a commission-only basis....just like my trainees.

Sink or swim. You get out what you've put in.

No hiding place for the feckless or the downright dishonest.

A lot of 'employed' people should try it sometime.

[robbie bobby]

Yes I agree. I also worked for a certain Insurance company on a commission only and to be quite honest they were more good times than bad. My manager used to tell me keep knocking on the doors and it will turn out ok. That's what I did and I made a pretty penny too! It did get a bit disheartening tho. Good life experience

Well, as you'll know Les, I spent 2 years working at the Harrogate 'dole office'.

Little has changed since I was there, apart from computerisation (they even use exactly the same basic forms, filled in by hand, and I can give you the ref. numbers of them ).

Still a lot of bone idle wasters signing on. Still a lot of genuine people trying to find work, but not supported and helped PROPERLY by PROFESSIONALS, AND often subject to unfair treatment by ignorant and unqualified recruitment 'consultants'.

There is far too much amateurism in the business world of this country, and far too many slackers, liars and cheats in positions of authority.

Most of my working life has been as a self-employed sales manager/sales trainer though, and the majority of that time working on a commission-only basis....just like my trainees.

Sink or swim. You get out what you've put in.

No hiding place for the feckless or the downright dishonest.

A lot of 'employed' people should try it sometime.

[grahamw48]

Yes I agree. I also worked for a certain Insurance company on a commission only and to be quite honest they were more good times than bad. My manager uses to tell me keep knocking on the doors and it will turn out ok. That's what I did and I made a pretty penny too! It did get a bit disheartening tho.Good life experience

Ah, you'll understand where I'm coming from then Robbie.

(I think I've knocked every door in the North East of England...some, many times. Canvass manager was also one of my positions....getting the whip out over 6 teams ).

[les_taxi]

Said many times before, those who turn up at job centre, attend interviews - no problem well done to them, in fact what I would do is slowly reduce the amount we pay to the ones who don't attend interviews etc and give the extra bits to the ones who do - so weed out the lazy from the decent ones.

[joebloggs]

the way things are, some of us will have to work til we're nearly 70 before we can get a state pension

[Pete/London]

the way things are, some of us will have to work til we're nearly 70 before we can get a state pension

Well that's a micky take, most people in any kind of manual trade are not in good physical shape to carry on, even 65 was a struggle.

There was no mention of this adjustment 20 years ago, although personal pensions were being pushed I never heard the retirement age being mentioned.

[stevewool]

the way things are, some of us will have to work til we're nearly 70 before we can get a state pension

got my letter saying my retirement date is when i am 66, little do they know its well before that date

[fred]

Which reminds me.. I accepted a job offer once to build and scenic paint TV sets for a BEEB contractor..
I was on the job two days when the union rep called us to a meeting for a wage increase..
When asked for a show of hands I was the only one with my hand down..
Later when asked why,I told them that I had just signed a contract agreeing to terms and pay..
Only two days on the job and they were calling me a scab!!
Only in the U.K!!

[joebloggs]

Thats the way to do it Michael..
Don't moan about minimum wages and no pay rises.Just quietly plan to get another job!!
I used to find it tiresome listening to some people gripe for years about their employers for one reason or another, always threatening to leave..(miserable .....) I knew damned well they would be there for the rest of their lives...being miserable!!
Sad old buggers.

not so easy when you got a family and bills to pay for each month and when there are 2.5million unemployed if your single and no debts sure that's an option

Which reminds me.. I accepted a job offer once to build and scenic paint TV sets for a BEEB contractor..
I was on the job two days when the union rep called us to a meeting for a wage increase..
When asked for a show of hands I was the only one with my hand down..
Later when asked why,I told them that I had just signed a contract agreeing to terms and pay..
Only two days on the job and they were calling me a scab!!
Only in the U.K!!

well were they offered, given the same contract as you

[fred]

not so easy when you got a family and bills to pay for each month and when there are 2.5million unemployed if your single and no debts sure that's an option



well were they offered, given the same contract as you

I'm married with 3 kids Joe.. The eldest is 24 now..
I have no idea what their employment contract terms were.. Definitely none of my business.

[Michael Parnham]

I must admit I never ever complained about my work because I loved the road haulage industry and was really happy in my work. When I was driving I always seemed to get a new truck every August 1st, other drivers who had worked with me never understood why even though they had worked for many years longer than me within the same company, but I knew why!

[joebloggs]

I must admit I never ever complained about my work because I loved the road haulage industry and was really happy in my work.

just as important as your wages, is that you like your job

[gWaPito]

just as important as your wages, is that you like your job

Absolutely my ex ex father in law worked in the car factory for 45 years...he hated every minute of it. Most weeks he put in 7 days

[Arthur Little]

just as important as your wages, is that you like your job

DEFINITELY ... !

[Arthur Little]

DEFINITELY ... !

Now ... to add to what I've said, I can honestly confirm that the daily interaction with fellow members on Filipino/UK brings me infinitely more pleasure and satisfaction than I ever had in ANY job!

[SimonH]

Now ... to add to what I've said, I can honestly confirm that the daily interaction with fellow members on Filipino/UK brings me infinitely more pleasure and satisfaction than I ever had in ANY job!

If only the pay was as good

[bigmarco]

Above inflation pay rise every year and already guaranteed 0.5% above inflation for next April. All negotiated by the terrible left wing trade union.
By the way never had to strike for a pay rise.

[gWaPito]

Above inflation pay rise every year and already guaranteed 0.5% above inflation for next April. All negotiated by the terrible left wing trade union.
By the way never had to strike for a pay rise.

Same here ..Unite has done me proud

[joebloggs]

Same here ..Unite has done me proud

have you gone praising a Union

[gWaPito]

have you gone praising a Union

I'm praising the Union at my site. Our location has helped our cause otherwise we could of gone the way of 3 of our other sites. For the first time in 8 years our site are taking on new drivers be it on the new terms and conditions ie; 40% less take home money than us!!...there's no shortage of takers, mainly poles from the agency...our terms and conditions, thanks to our Union, can't be touched..we are the dying breed!!...when we leave, replacements will either be agency or new employees.