Millipede in row over Mail "smearing" his Father

[SimonH]

Ed Milliband's dad was Hitler

[gWaPito]

When Ed Milliband's dad was a teenager, railing against privilege, look who Daily Mail proprietor Lord Rothermere was socialising with.

This was taken well before any war and Hitler's march through Europe..

It's been well documented what Red Ralphy rallying about...I certainly don't see it as privilege.

[Trefor]

As predicted Joe, more drivel to deflect from the fact that you misread the speech and can't admit you were wrong.
As you may have guessed by the fact that I was posting on here when the speech in question was being broadcast, I am not the leader of the conservative party. However, I do support his principles. Now I'm sure with all your skills for digging up rubbish on the net a man of your somewhat blinkered intelligence can find the email to the conservative party and direct your question to them rather than ask me to guess

Simon - this is a typical Left response to a sensible policy. Ignore the facts, they are not relevant, just think of the children and kittens.

Meanwhile, why didn't this cause similar outrage (link below):

http://order-order.com/2013/10/03/ma...-grave-dancer/

[Trefor]

This was taken well before any war and Hitler's march through Europe..

It's been well documented what Red Ralphy rallying about...I certainly don't see it as privilege.

I think there are lots of people photo'd with Hilter. He ran Europe's most powerful economy for a bit before becoming an enemy. Same for other dictators in more recently fallen despot-esque regimes.

[Dedworth]

I think there are lots of people photo'd with Hilter. He ran Europe's most powerful economy for a bit before becoming an enemy.

Same for other dictators in more recently fallen despot-esque regimes.

Here's some wealthy British Champagne Socialists with unsavoury characters

[Dedworth]

The Daily Mail is now being accused of anti-semitism both in the media (also by some Guardian readers on this forum )

Just to clarify and for the sake of good order :-

Both the author of the article, Geoffrey Levy, and the paper’s deputy editor, Jon Steafel who defended the piece on Newsnight, are Jewish.

In an interview with the Evening Standard, editor Sarah Sands said Miliband "rejects the suggestion of some of his more indignant supporters that the attack on his father is closet racism.

[gWaPito]

I think there are lots of people photo'd with Hilter. He ran Europe's most powerful economy for a bit before becoming an enemy. Same for other dictators in more recently fallen despot-esque regimes.

Exactly Trefor. ..like Joe, would be nice to spend some quality time on here especially when threads like this crop up.

A rep in the post

Cheers
Gwaps

[Arthur Little]

Well, Gwaps ... ... whatever the "why's and wherefores" of this debate, I'm pleased to see you getting "stuck in there" - clearly enjoying yourself! Shows the therapeutic effect it's having on your morale after the hell you've been through ... and that, my friend, can only be a good thing!

[joebloggs]

stick that on your wall dedworth

[Dedworth]

Here's a few champagne guzzlers you might need for your collection Joe

[bigmarco]

Interesting that for such a patriotic newspaper its proprietor doesn't pay a penny in tax to the but makes a sizeable contribution to the Conservative Party.
That's what gets me about the extreme right. They love this country so much that the mere mention of paying some or a bit more tax and they're either threatening or on their bikes straight away. Rule Britannia but they sell off Nuclear power stations to the French, Water Companies to the French and Germans, Rail Companies to France, Holland and Germany, Steel Industry to India and even the Spanish own a lot of our main Airports. To top this off we're just about to flog off the Royal Mail. What price the Queens Head is going to end up in the hands of the Germans.
So what's more patriotic selling off most of the infrastructure off this great country to Germany and the rest of the World or wanting to nationalise it and bring back into state ownership where all profits go back to the country.

[gWaPito]

Well, Gwaps ... ... whatever the "why's and wherefores" of this debate, I'm pleased to see you getting "stuck in there" - clearly enjoying yourself! Shows the therapeutic effect it's having on your morale after the hell you've been through ... and that, my friend, can only be a good thing!

Thanks Arthur
I know I'll have bad days as well. ..After all said and done, it's not me calling the shots. .I'm all to aware things can get difficult in a flash. ..long may she remain happy. .If she's happy so is everyone else. ..even with children, possession is 9 10 tenths of the law.
I'm just making hay while the sun shines

[Arthur Little]

Thanks Arthur
I know I'll have bad days as well. ..After all said and done, it's not me calling the shots. .I'm all to aware things can get difficult in a flash. ..long may she remain happy. .If she's happy so is everyone else. ..even with children, possession is 9 10 tenths of the law.
I'm just making hay while the sun shines

Ah ... ... but I take my hat off to you for the way you've coped with an extremely difficult situation. Indeed, circumstances in which many would buckle under the pressure of it all. May you now go from strength to strength, mate ... and my thanks for the rep; it's very much appreciated.

[Dedworth]

Interesting that for such a patriotic newspaper its proprietor doesn't pay a penny in tax to the but makes a sizeable contribution to the Conservative Party.

Marco they're following the fine example of Champagne Socialist Margaret Hodges family business :-

Margaret Hodge's family company pays just 0.01pc tax on £2.1bn of business generated in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/b...n-the-UK.html#

[lordna]

This was taken well before any war and Hitler's march through Europe..

It's been well documented what Red Ralphy rallying about...I certainly don't see it as privilege.

The following article gives an indication of how close Lord Rothermere was to Hitler and at what time. It certainly wasn't, as you suggest, "well before the war"
http://www.theguardian.com/media/200...%20body%20link

I dont think readers on this forum can claim that others are now accusing the Daily Mail of anti-semmitism. The fact that the articles author and deputy deditor are Jewish has absolutely no bearing on the proprieter Lord Rothermere, from over 50 years ago who may have had totally different beliefs.

This thread now seems to have "lost the plot". The reason i posted the picture of Rothermere and Hitler was to illustrate that the Mail has its own skeletons in the cupboard which perhaps it should remember before publishing such tripe.

Sadly there are plently of small minded Daily Mail readers only too happy to read and delight in this rubbish. Personally i think Miliband is justified in creating a fuss over the article.

[grahamw48]

Interesting that for such a patriotic newspaper its proprietor doesn't pay a penny in tax to the but makes a sizeable contribution to the Conservative Party.
That's what gets me about the extreme right. They love this country so much that the mere mention of paying some or a bit more tax and they're either threatening or on their bikes straight away. Rule Britannia but they sell off Nuclear power stations to the French, Water Companies to the French and Germans, Rail Companies to France, Holland and Germany, Steel Industry to India and even the Spanish own a lot of our main Airports. To top this off we're just about to flog off the Royal Mail. What price the Queens Head is going to end up in the hands of the Germans.
So what's more patriotic selling off most of the infrastructure off this great country to Germany and the rest of the World or wanting to nationalise it and bring back into state ownership where all profits go back to the country.

I agree...all totally wrong.

British utility companies in particular should NEVER be under foreign ownership.

The Royal Mail should be stripped of its name (and the Queen's head) if they insist on it being sold off.

[gWaPito]

Personally i think Miliband is justified in creating a fuss over the article.

Just like the Mail, and most of us decent people, we were justifiable in making our displeasure known at the gross disrespect given to baroness Lady Thatcher's memory and her family at her funeral.

Ded posted a pic of Miliband and the grave dancer hand in hand.

This showed this guy's true colours. .

[Arthur Little]

... dig Bliar's fancy "headgear" ................................................. !

... looks like a squashed bloody teacosy!

[andy222]

A paper from the gutter. I wouldnt wipe my with it never alone buy it.

[Dedworth]

I dont think readers on this forum can claim that others are now accusing the Daily Mail of anti-semmitism. The fact that the articles author and deputy deditor are Jewish has absolutely no bearing on the proprieter Lord Rothermere, from over 50 years ago who may have had totally different beliefs.

This thread now seems to have "lost the plot". The reason i posted the picture of Rothermere and Hitler was to illustrate that the Mail has its own skeletons in the cupboard which perhaps it should remember before publishing such tripe.

Sadly there are plently of small minded Daily Mail readers only too happy to read and delight in this rubbish. Personally i think Miliband is justified in creating a fuss over the article.

You posted a 1930's picture of Hitler & Lord Rothermere (great grandfather of the present Mail owner) then by referring to it as a skeleton in the Mails cupboard you are unsubtly giving a broad hint of a facist, anti-semitic connection with the 2013 Mail article. It's the tired old left wing ploy when all else fails play the racist card.

Read my post #66 where in the Standard Milipede himself "rejects the suggestion of some of his more indignant supporters that the attack on his father is closet racism"

[lordna]

You posted a 1930's picture of Hitler & Lord Rothermere (great grandfather of the present Mail owner) then by referring to it as a skeleton in the Mails cupboard you are unsubtly giving a broad hint of a facist, anti-semitic connection with the 2013 Mail article. It's the tired old left wing ploy when all else fails play the racist card.

Read my post #66 where in the Standard Milipede himself "rejects the suggestion of some of his more indignant supporters that the attack on his father is closet racism"

"The Conservative MP Zac Goldsmith went further, pointing out that the Mail had been an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazis in the 1930s. Mr Goldsmith said it was “odd for a newspaper to judge a man on the basis of the history of his family when that newspaper is owned by a family that did more to pursue the Nazi cause prewar than any other [publication]”.

Referring to Harold Harmsworth, the first Viscount Rothermere and great-grandfather of the current proprietor, he said: “[Joseph] Goebbels himself wrote endless documents about Rothermere, describing him as being a strong ally and ‘strongly against the Jews’. Those are the words he used. "

The above extracted from an article appearing in the Independant
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...h-8852106.html

Seems to me the Daily Mail had very strong facist, anti-semitic connections. Would the present Daily Mail owner be defending his great grandfathers views i wonder?

Regardless of the Mails past, clearly you cannot ignore that the article was in bad taste, the press watchdog having now received 32 complaints about it. Publishing a photograph of Ralph Milibands grave with an online copy of the article was more than "an error of judgement", which gladly they did hastily remove. I fail to understand how anyone can defend the Mail and this sort of gutter journalism.

[bigmarco]

If you've got any doubt about the Mails fascist leanings here's an article published in the paper in April 2012 at the time of the French elections. Sarkozy (centre right) versus Hollande (left) . Obviously Sarkozy wasn't far enough to the right as the mail article which was headlined Despite her flaws, the only responsible vote in France next Sunday is one for Marine Le Pen suggested the only vote was for The National Front.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...te-France.html

[SimonH]

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Dave's still interested, I'm going slightly

[joebloggs]

Marco they're following the fine example of Champagne Socialist Margaret Hodges family business :-

Margaret Hodge's family company pays just 0.01pc tax on £2.1bn of business generated in the UK

Margaret Hodge, chairman of the Public Accounts Committee, is facing embarrassing revelations over the tax affairs of her family company just days before she is due to lead the grilling of US companies over controversial tax arrangements.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/b...n-the-UK.html#

for some reason you missed this dedworth

David Cameron's election guru Lynton Crosby uses mysterious offshore tax haven

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...#ixzz2ggxusHbJ
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[gWaPito]

I fail to understand how anyone can defend the Mail and this sort of gutter journalism.

Put simply, it's giving the general public an insight into what poison Ralph Miliband instilled into both his sons.

The leader of the Labour party has said countless times what a major influence his father was on him.

[grahamw48]

I would comment on this thread, but I have a Budgie to bath.

[gWaPito]

I would comment on this thread, but I have a Budgie to bath.

Not that dead one again. .I shave mine every couple of weeks...It saves the hot water

[joebloggs]

Put simply, it's giving the general public an insight into what poison Ralph Miliband instilled into both his sons.
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what has he instilled in his sons, examples please gWaPito ?

[Dedworth]

for some reason you missed this dedworth

David Cameron's election guru Lynton Crosby uses mysterious offshore tax haven

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...#ixzz2ggxusHbJ
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

He's a Colonial Joe on a short contract with the Conservative Party I'd think its a matter for him and the Oz tax people.

How many Eastern European cars do you reckon are on our roads without any car tax (or insurance and MoT's) ?

[joebloggs]

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How many Eastern European cars do you reckon are on our roads without any car tax (or insurance and MoT's) ?

i've seen a few polish ones, whats the rules with tax discs then, they been here for months