thanks peter, just seen your reply today,sat 12th,
well we travelled to immigration intramurous makati, not far from luneta park , sorry spelling not good.

i was only allowed to extend the 30 days visa free ,from 16th september 30 days expired on 16th october,
extended on 10th october, and expires on 14th november,

and told i can not have 2 months or 6 months extension untill next time, as the visa free 30 day has to be extended first,
there is photo copy there if you should need, but i took photo copy of my passport, before i went, 1 of my visa page and 1 of the data page, as lolita was with me she had to have id card to enter immigration, and was kept at the desk untill leaving,
you can get a drink outside,
we travelled by bus from cainta, part way, then by taxi to immigration, at over 500 peso,cant remember exact,

returning home we came out of immigration turned left and walked down to end of road , we crossed over some flyovers, then found a bus terminal which was 40 pesos each all the way back to cianta, busy traffic and took a few hours,
walking down to the bus terminal it was busy, 2 boys among the crowd brushed passed my side as they passed me on comming towards me, one of then put their hand on my arm as we passed sliding it down to my wrist as he did i lifted my arm to shrug him off his hand detached me by the time he had reached my fingers, this happens in seconds, but i knew what was happening, i didnt wear a watch so he didnt get one because i was shrugging him off he didnt get my ring, its a good tight fit also so wouldnt come off so easy without cutting my knuckle,