Humiliating defeat for Theresa May in landmark Supreme Court appeal over 'stateless' terror suspect

[gWaPito]

If you mean the basic-rate taxpayers - like myself and countless thousands of others besides - then, YES, ... we ARE hard pressed!



£18,600 may be a "drop in the ocean" to those fortunate enough to be in the 'Supertax' bracket.

Whereas, decent, hard-grafting Care Workers (such as our Andy, for instance) have little option but to work endless extra shifts in order to scrape together the amount this government is demanding.

yep. .not forgetting 40% tax payers like myself and countless thousands besides.

Nothing fortunate about my position. .I've made sacrifices throughout my life...

Some folks work hard all their lives..it's a fact of life I'm afraid. ..you want something in life you have to work for it. ...it's a drag, I know

[gWaPito]

I can't go back beyond May 2010

I noticed that as well Ded on Tuesday. .I wanted to look at somebody's history but, like you was limited to 2010.

I think before, you could go all the way back to their first post.

[Dedworth]

I noticed that as well Ded on Tuesday. .I wanted to look at somebody's history but, like you was limited to 2010.

I think before, you could go all the way back to their first post.

Gwap no I meant the inept Labour party - if I try to quote the last Govts multitude of failures ie pre May 2010 Andy calls it past history but its OK for him and his cohorts to blame Maggie Thatcher 's and earlier Tory Govts for anything and everything

[grahamw48]

Very true.

People also forget the terrible state this country was in when Maggie was brought in to sort it out.

25% inflation and people like rail workers demanding 35% pay rises.

I do disagree with the sale of council houses though, but no doubt they'd only be filled with asylum-seekers etc now, even if we still had them.

[gWaPito]

Gwap no I meant the inept Labour party - if I try to quote the last Govts multitude of failures ie pre May 2010 Andy calls it past history but its OK for him and his cohorts to blame Maggie Thatcher 's and earlier Tory Govts for anything and everything

Oh! Sorry Ded. .story of my life, a stream of misunderstandings..

I did try to look back at one member's past but was limited to how far.

I know what you mean though .It's okay to look back at Conservative but not Labour's history

it's okay, I've been taking lessons from Moy

[gWaPito]

I do disagree with the sale of council houses though, but no doubt they'd only be filled with asylum-seekers etc now, even if we still had them.

I think at the time Graham you were a homeowner ...you'd already scrimped and saved for a deposit etc so I know how you feel. ..I would too!

I think most would of taken up the option to buy their council house if they were able to.

If the Government had ploughed the money straight back into new housing stock then it might of been different.

I remember when I bought ours, I did ask this question. ..what's happening to the money. ...We were definitely told it was being invested into creating more homes. ..such as human nature, I still would of bought it even if the proceeds were being spent on wine women and song

[Arthur Little]

Well ... ... for what it's worth to you folks domiciled "south of the Border - down Yorkshire, Berkshire or Wiltshire way" (or where the heck ever) - the Scottish [SNP ~controlled] Government is all set to reverse the 1980s, Thatcherite 'Right to Buy'scheme up here in Bonnie Scotland.

[andy222]

yep. .not forgetting 40% tax payers like myself and countless thousands besides.

Nothing fortunate about my position. .I've made sacrifices throughout my life...

Some folks work hard all their lives..it's a fact of life I'm afraid. ..you want something in life you have to work for it. ...it's a drag, I know

Oh so you have made sacrifices throughout your life? Tell me who hasnt?. The way you go on its like your the only one that works hard.. Keep paying your 40% I will have some in my benefits.

[gWaPito]

Oh so you have made sacrifices throughout your life? Tell me who hasnt?. The way you go on its like your the only one that works hard.. Keep paying your 40% I will have some in my benefits.

You sure know how to endear yourself...keep it up. ..you are a great source of amusement

btw...I haven't got a problem paying tax and not getting a penny from it myself. ..it's my duty to help those 'less fortunate'...If my tax contributions are going to help you finance your next jolly to The Philippines, then my friend, it's tax payers money well spent.

[andy222]

[joebloggs]

Up yours as well

come on guys no need to stoop to the daily mail level

nothing wrong with not agreeing

[gWaPito]

come on guys no need to stoop to the daily mail level

nothing wrong with not agreeing

Friendly banter Joe

[joebloggs]

Friendly banter Joe

nothing like talking a bit of



i wonder if dedworth will be in a good mood today

[grahamw48]

Yes.....please use the appropriate smiley.

[Dedworth]

Is it ABC? Anything But Cameron. What about these new Energy increases? 8% rise its a joke. The tories could cap these rises but they wont. All they are doing is creating poverty and the results of the next election will show that.

Andy your man said there were "tough choices involved in tackling climate change" and "that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’"

I think you'd better just man up and accept it

HOW ED DEFENDED HIGHER BILLS

Ed Miliband was the architect of the green taxes blamed for pushing up energy bills.
The Labour leader was in charge of energy policy in Gordon Brown’s Labour government, and made tackling climate change his main priority.

[Arthur Little]

Oh, for God's sake you guys ... ... lighten up on the party politics ... !

[gWaPito]

Andy your man said there were "tough choices involved in tackling climate change" and "that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’"

I think you'd better just man up and accept it

HOW ED DEFENDED HIGHER BILLS

Ed Miliband was the architect of the green taxes blamed for pushing up energy bills.
The Labour leader was in charge of energy policy in Gordon Brown’s Labour government, and made tackling climate change his main priority.

Good to see you're looking outside the box, Ded.

Now you mention it, I seem to remember Labour saying all this.

Anyone can promise the earth when not in power. ..They all do it, to some extent. .but, this shower seem to have it off to a fine art

[grahamw48]

The energy efficiency schemes have been running all over the country since 2003 (some, like reduced price loft insulation since the late 70s).

I have been working on them throughout that time.

ALL homeowners and tenants have been given the opportunity to insulate their houses properly either with a non-means tested grant of 50% for loft insulation and 70% for cavity wall insulation, or completely free for those on most benefits....also free for EVERYONE in 'normal'-sized properties, for a few years up until recently. Councils and housing associations have insulated all of their housing stock too, as well as running their own local schemes on top of the national ones.

The main schemes have been funded by the energy companies.

New grants are now available for previously 'hard to treat' properties (such as those with solid walls or having narrow cavities). There is also a big scheme running at present for free boiler replacement.

Now over the years I've come across many people who still couldn't be bothered to insulate their homes properly...would rather spend the money on fags and booze, cars, etc, or just too idle to have a survey done and sign a couple of forms.

Since an average loft loses around 25% of the total heat loss from a house, and the walls 35%, then I would suggest that the best thing most people can do is to go and check that they've done everything possible to keep the heat IN their house, and to have the actual heating system running efficiently....before they start bloody moaning !

[gWaPito]

First thing I did when I moved into my present house in January 2007. ...New heating system. ..loft re insulated and the cavity walls loaded.

[grahamw48]

Can't fault you mate.

[andy222]

You sure know how to endear yourself...keep it up. ..you are a great source of amusement

btw...I haven't got a problem paying tax and not getting a penny from it myself. ..it's my duty to help those 'less fortunate'...If my tax contributions are going to help you finance your next jolly to The Philippines, then my friend, it's tax payers money well spent.

Thanks Gwappy. My wife stepchild and I will enjoy going back to the phils for a break. Keep on paying it.

[gWaPito]

Thanks Gwappy. My wife stepchild and I will enjoy going back to the phils for a break. Keep on paying it.

No problem matey ....Every little helps

[andy222]

No problem matey ....Every little helps

[Arthur Little]

....Every little helps

Spoken like a true Tesco employee ...

[Arthur Little]

- I can't go back beyond May 2010

... and you cannot see beyond (Theresa) May, 2013.

[SimonH]

Spoken like a true Tesco employee ...

Or Asda

[gWaPito]

Spoken like a true Tesco employee ...

Tesco's Asda...wherever Arthur . .I'm your typical money whore

[Arthur Little]

I'm your typical money whore

... surely you mean "hoarder"?

[gWaPito]

... surely you mean "hoarder"?

Not yet in that position to stash much away Arthur ... my solicitor is currently giving me a length

[joebloggs]

No problem matey ....Every little helps

not so little if your a Union member gWapito

dedworth is always about doctors pay, union bosses pay(£100k) , dedworth what about the chief execs pay from SSE, his basic is just £755,000 and they've just forced people to start paying near to a 10% increase for gas and electric