Right here we go, Ems has hers so do we apply for the passport straight away or wait till after Xmas, now if we can go to the Phil's for a holiday over Xmas am I right in thinking , we use Ems Phil's passport and when we land back here we just show the ILr card and all is well, Ems thinks now she is British the card is not valid anymore so whey will not let her into the country again
Does she have ILR or Citizenship already?Originally Posted by stevewool
I am confused because you mentioned ILR and the subject is British Citizenship!
If she only have ILR she can travel using her Philippine passport. But if she has her Citizenship, there's a time limit for her to take the oath.
If she has already taken the oath, she can no longer use her Philippine passport, as the minute she takes the oath for the British Citizenship, they will contact the Philippine Embassy and forward her documents declaring she is now British Citizen therefore, they will update on their system that she no longer has right using her Philippine passport because she is no longer Filipino Citizen.
Jane applied for her British Passport the following day ( we'd already filled out the passport application form and got the signs from the third party as is required on first British passports)...Jane had to go for interview..Just like Emma will Steve...Her British passport arrived the following week
Not so Mystica..I know this from experience when wife got her's last a year ago last March 2012...If her Philippine Passport is still in date, she can still use it going there and coming back..not mix and match
I thought you would have applied for Em's passport already Steve!
Not correct.
Steve, really comes down to timing.
If it's possible (without undue stress) to secure the British Passport all well and good.
Otherwise use the Philippine Passport, then when re-entering use the Phils passport together with ILR (even though technically no longer valid/applicable) and Naturalisation Certificate.
The Naturalisation Certificate is not a valid travel document but accepted for right of UK entry. Her Philippine Passport remains her authorised travel document.
To be strictly compliant with the rules better to secure a British Passport before departure and use on both legs.
Well! I did not take risk on this because I was told by the Philippine Embassy there's a time frame for us to claim dual citizenship or drop the Filipino Citizenship. In which, they will deactivate the validity of your passport. Unless you make an effort to inform them you intend to use the Philippine passport therefore you should take the oath for dual citizenship.
Not so Mystica
Nowadays, everything is computerised, you wouldn't want to end up landing in the Philippines using Philippine passport when you already made a commitment and took the oath which is pretty much claiming the British Citizenship but still uses the Philippine passport. You may find yourself in trouble.
where is your source for this information
The UK authorities DO NOT inform anyone about naturalisation. Period.
If you have information stating otherwise please share the link to that source.
The UK fully accepts immediate and automatic dual nationality. There's no reason to inform anyone.
Most folks understand the position of Philippines on Dual Nationality and the need and process for retention of Philippine Citizenship.
Three sources for your review:-
- British Nationality Act 1981
- Philippines Republic Act No. 9225 (August 29, 2003)
- USA Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952
Quite interesting reading.
Last edited by Terpe; 19th October 2013 at 13:46. Reason: USA added
The ceremony
Please read the enclosed guidance notes as soon as possible. These give important information about the ceremony and the words you need to say for the Oath / Affirmation and the Pledge.
Please note that once you become a British citizen you will lose any refugee status you may hold in the United Kingdom.
Plus I made my inquiries with the council and Philippine Embassy and they said, Filipinos wish to travel and use their existing Philippine passport has to inform their Embassy.
On the other hand, I am now British and I have experienced this process.
So you're saying you've personally experienced the British Authorities informing the Philippine Authorities that you hold British Citizenship ??On the other hand, I am now British and I have experienced this process.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...df?view=Binary
i cant see anything here about the Home Office sending papers to your embassy informing them your now a British Citizen
and
Hi
Like you, I am South African and have also submitted a naturalisation application. However, I have not done the NQ or SA Embassy route as it takes so long (from the SA embassy side).
I was told by the consular service that it is my responsibility to inform them that I have obtained British Citizenship, they are not informed by UKBA in any way. So if you don't say anything, how will they know. They will only know when you renew your passport again as it is one of the questions. My husband has dual SA / British Citizenship (for a 4 of years now) and travels in and out of South Africa on his SA passport. He never did the 'permission' step with Home Affairs.
Whichever way you choose to do it (the cost wasn't justifiable to me as I won't go back to live), it is easy to resume SA citizenship again if you choose to return.
Thanks
Char
http://www.immigrationboards.com/vie...23a6b3a4864472
YES! because the day I took the oath, I made a direct inquiry to the council and was informed that they do forward the documents to the Philippine Embassy informing them that I am now British. I don't really know if it is true or not, so I called the Philippine Embassy and I was told its okay to travel for certain period, because they haven't receive all the documents from our council. So I travel with my Philippine passport. While I am waiting for my British passport I went to Saudi and they held me for 9 hours in Jeddah the immigration told me that I have travelled with an invalid passport! So I had to go back to UK and wait for my British passport. Husband called the Philippine Embassy and inquire why my passport has been deactivated? Having been told that it will take sometime to cancel it on their system. So I went back to UK and waited for my British passport.
Most of us here have MysticaOn the other hand, I am now British and I have experienced this process.
I've never heard of there being a time scale for the Filipino to become dual?..Like Terpe asked, please forward that authoritive info if you are able to
Exactly so.....http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...df?view=Binary
i cant see anything here about the Home Office sending papers to your embassy informing them your now a British Citizen
and
Hi
Like you, I am South African and have also submitted a naturalisation application. However, I have not done the NQ or SA Embassy route as it takes so long (from the SA embassy side).
I was told by the consular service that it is my responsibility to inform them that I have obtained British Citizenship, they are not informed by UKBA in any way. So if you don't say anything, how will they know. They will only know when you renew your passport again as it is one of the questions. My husband has dual SA / British Citizenship (for a 4 of years now) and travels in and out of South Africa on his SA passport. He never did the 'permission' step with Home Affairs.
Whichever way you choose to do it (the cost wasn't justifiable to me as I won't go back to live), it is easy to resume SA citizenship again if you choose to return.
Thanks
Char
http://www.immigrationboards.com/vie...23a6b3a4864472
UKBA has no interest and no mandate. They place great emphasis on informing folks that it is their own responsibility to liaise with their own authorities.
Additionally, the Philippine law itself is not clear on this issue anyway.
Despite being formally requested to clarify the position this has not so far been resolved.
It's a very interesting topic......maybe deserves it's own discussion thread.
The Philippine law was originally developed solely with USA in mind.
(the pledge of USA clearly requires the applicant to:-
Most other countries do not require you to renounce your existing citizenship....entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty..
However, many Embassies do like to turn a nice earner where they can and may not want to precisely clarify on an individual basis..................it's a 'grey area'
But interesting...
PS: There's a recipricol question I suppose on whether the Philippine Oath Taking invalidates British Citizenship and the British Passport.....After all the wording of the Oath is very similar....
Hehehe
Something not ringing right here
There's no time scale if you want to be a dual citizen or not! but the original inquiry he made here is if his wife can travel using Philippine passport after taking the oath. In order to have dual Citizenship she also has to take an oath at the Philippine Embassy.Most of us here have Mystica
I've never heard of there being a time scale for the Filipino to become dual?..Like Terpe asked, please forward that authoritive info if you are able to
CITIZENSHIP RETENTION AND RE-ACQUISITION
“REPUBLIC ACT NO. 9225”
Sec 1. SHORT TITLE — This Act shall be known as the "Citizenship Retention and Re-acquisition Act of 2003."
Sec 2. DECLARATION OF POLICY - It is hereby declared the policy of the State that all Philippine citizens who become citizens of another country shall be deemed not to have lost their Philippine citizenship under the conditions of this Act.
Sec 3. RETENTION OF PHILIPPINE CITIZENSHIP - Any provision of law to the contrary notwithstanding, natural-born citizens of the Philippines who have lost their Philippine citizenship by reason of their naturalization as citizens of a foreign country are hereby deemed to have re-acquired Philippine citizenship upon taking the following oath of allegiance to the Republic:
"I _________________, solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines and obey the laws and legal orders promulgated by the duly constituted authorities of the Philippines, and I hereby declare that I recognize and accept the supreme authority of the Philippines and will maintain true faith and allegiance thereto; and that I impose this obligation upon myself voluntarily without mental reservation or purpose of evasion."
Natural-born citizens of the Philippines who, after the effectivity of this Act, become citizens of a foreign country shall retain their Philippine citizenship upon taking the aforesaid oath.
Sec 4. DERIVATIVE CITIZENSHIP - The unmarried child, whether legitimate, illegitimate or adopted, below eighteen (18) years of age, of those who re-acquire Philippine citizenship upon effectivity of this Act shall be deemed citizens of the Philippines.
Sec 5. CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS AND LIABILITIES - Those who retain or re-acquire Philippine citizenship under this Act shall enjoy full civil and political rights and be subject to all attendant liabilities and responsibilities under existing laws of the Philippines and the following conditions:
Those intending to exercise their right of suffrage must meet the requirements under Sec. 1, Article V of the Constitution, Republic Act No. 9189, otherwise known as "The Overseas Absentee Voting Act of 2003" and other existing laws;
Those seeking elective public office in the Philippines shall meet the qualifications for holding such public office as required by the Constitution and existing laws and, at the time of the filing of the certificate of candidacy, make a personal and sworn renunciation of any and all foreign citizenship before any public officer authorized to administer an oath;
Those appointed to any public office shall subscribe and swear to an oath of allegiance to the Republic of the Philippines and its duly constituted authorities prior to their assumption of office: provided, that they renounce their oath of allegiance to the country where they took that oath;
Those intending to practice their profession in the Philippines shall apply with the proper authority for a license or permit to engage in such practice; and
That right to vote or be elected or appointed to any public office in the Philippines cannot be exercised by, or extended to, those who:
(a) are candidates for or are occupying any public office in the country of which they are naturalized citizens; and/or
(b) are in active service as commissioned or non-commissioned officers in the armed forces of the country which they are naturalized citizens.
Sec 6. SEPARABILITY CLAUSE - If any Sec. or provision of this Act is held unconstitutional or invalid, any other Sec. or provision not affected thereby shall remain valid and effective.
Sec 7. REPEALING CLAUSE - All laws, decrees, orders, rules and regulations inconsistent with the provisions of this Act are hereby repealed or modified accordingly.
Sec 8. EFFECTIVITY CLAUSE - This Act shall take effect after fifteen (15) days following its publication in the Official Gazette or two (2) newspapers of general circulation.
http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?...=163&Itemid=83
why wasn't she stopped when she left the Airport in the UKSomething not ringing right here
I just added the highlighted section
Mystica
What's in question here is whether one can legally travel back and forth to the Phils on a Filipino Passport after swearing an oath to the Crown
I'm going to have a lay down now
Sec 2. . .DECLARATION OF POLICY - It is hereby declared the policy of the State that all Philippine citizens who become citizens of another country shall be deemed not to have lost their Philippine citizenship under the conditions of this Act.
Under the condition of this Act is referring to the section 3!
It's okay! if you think you are giving a good advice good luck!
My father is retired government staff and my Auntie works with immigration so if there are any laws that are not obvious for people which is the reason they are searching for answers here! Good luck!
Simply because I have a valid visa going to Saudi which is the Saudia's main concern!why wasn't she stopped when she left the Airport in the UK
It's just an experience! But the feeling of being questioned for not having a right travel document especially in the Middle East is terrible!
There is no magical device/method that can remotely cancel/revoke/deactivate a passport
When a passport is inspected or even scanned it can only verify identity.
It does not indicate whether you are a bad person or a wanted person or travelling illegally either now or in your past.
Those kinds of details would need to be on a 'watch list' or 'alert list'.
These 'lists' may be national or international and would be relating to terrorist activity, deportation orders, current criminal investigations etc
That's about the only stuff immigration officials can see that relate to your passport. Identity authentication.
Maybe you didn't have the correct/valid visa?
If your passport was invalid how could Saudi authorities allow you then to travel back to UK on an invalid and deactivated passport?
How could you re-enter UK on a deactivated Philippine passport without any questioning ?
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