Unite in Unemployment - Grangemouth

[Dedworth]

Looks like a swift U Turn by Comrade McCluskey and his Bruvvers :-


Grangemouth crisis: Union say they will 'embrace' Ineos survival plan in bid to prevent mass job losses

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...mbrace-2487206

[grahamw48]

Yep, one less company being put out of business by employees who've forgotten how they felt on their first day at work, and how fortunate they are to be still in that work.

Their Union leader must have been trained by Scargill.

[joebloggs]

what if the employers are bluffing, surely you both think you should get a decent days pay for a days work

[grahamw48]

They were probably both bluffing. That's life, and business.

The Unions blinked first and lost...fortunately for the workers and the taxpayers.

I have no idea how much the workers get paid. I also have no idea how hard they have to work for their money.

I do know that if I don't work I get paid -all, not that I'm complaining.

[Dedworth]

I have no idea how much the workers get paid. I also have no idea how hard they have to work for their money.

I do know that if I don't work I get paid -all, not that I'm complaining.

It won't be peanuts .............the firm was offering offering up to £15,000 of “sweeteners” to persuade staff to accept the revised T & C's - they ought to tell Commissar McCluskey that because his bruvvers refused to tighten their belts the money has since been spent elsewhere

[grahamw48]

Yes, we've all got to tighten our belts...except ?

[Dedworth]

Yes, we've all got to tighten our belts...except ?

Union Barons
Teachers
NHS Chiefs
Doctors
Police Officers
MP's
Utility Company CEO's
Spongers

[les_taxi]

It won't be peanuts .............the firm was offering offering up to £15,000 of “sweeteners” to persuade staff to accept the revised T & C's - they ought to tell Commissar McCluskey that because his bruvvers refused to tighten their belts the money has since been spent elsewhere

Too right Dedworth,close call that one

[grahamw48]

Union Barons
Teachers
NHS Chiefs
Doctors
Police Officers
MP's
Utility Company CEO's
Spongers

[andy222]

You forgot Camerons number one buddies the W sorry Bankers.

[gWaPito]

It's a non money making petrochemical plant. ...just like the coal in the 70s. ..cheaper to bring in from outside the UK. ..Whereas this time, it's coming from productive sites in America. ..A quick search would tell you all you want to know and more why this site is a loser.
Merry Christmas one and all

[Dedworth]

You forgot Camerons number one buddies the W sorry Bankers.

Thanks for reminding me Andy how could I forget the cash for honours scandal which immediately followed Labours 1997 pledge "We will clean up politics". Here's the "loans" that were made to Labour

Rod Aldridge - £1 million - former Executive Chairman of Capita
Richard Caring - £2 million - owner of The Ivy, London
Gordon Crawford - £500,000 - Chairman of London Bridge Software
Sir Christopher Evans - £1 million - Founder of Merlin Biosciences
Sir David Garrard - £2.3 million
Nigel Morris - £1 million - co-Founder of Capital One and Director of The Economist Group
Sir Gulam Noon - £250,000 - Chairman of Noon Products Ltd
Dr Chai Patel - £1.5 million
Andrew Rosenfeld - £1 million - Chairman of Minerva plc
David Sainsbury, Baron Sainsbury of Turville - £2 m - Government Minister
Barry Townsley - £1 million - Chairman of Insinger Townsley

Strange breed these Bankers and City Fat Cats no political allegiance they were once very close mates of Blair and Brown

[andy222]

And Cameron is still backing them.. And another thing and I know it is off topic but you having a go at Labour and their mass immigration. Yet you are supporting a party that has been in power for 3 and a half years and who are refusing to come out of europe and at the same time letting your friends the Romanians and Bulgarians into this country. I dont know where your coming from on that one? Answer on a postcard?

[Dedworth]

And Cameron is still backing them.. And another thing and I know it is off topic but you having a go at Labour and their mass immigration. Yet you are supporting a party that has been in power for 3 and a half years and who are refusing to come out of europe and at the same time letting your friends the Romanians and Bulgarians into this country. I dont know where your coming from on that one? Answer on a postcard?

I know I'm not supposed to quote history like you Andy (Thatcher, Slave Trade, General Strike etc) but :-

Tony Blair House of Commons 20 April 2004 told Parliament it should debate the European constitutional question "in detail and decide upon it" and "then let the people have the final say".

Labour Manifesto 2005 Blair promises: "We will put it [the constitution] to the British people in a referendum and campaign wholeheartedly for a Yes vote."

[andy222]

Is that the best you can do Ded.. So you would vote for a party who would let thousands of who you have been criticising into the country? Is that right?

[Dedworth]

Is that the best you can do Ded.. So you would vote for a party who would let thousands of who you have been criticising into the country? Is that right?

Pot and kettle come to mind with you Andy - the current administration have been reducing and controlling immigration by using existing and implementing new legislation. They are also foolishly sticking to European treaties and commitments already made.

The years 1997 - 2010 will go down in history as a dark period where mass uncontrolled immigration (to secure future Labour votes) permanently changed this country for the worse and put the population at risk from foreign terrorists, extremists and criminals who Labour sheltered with its Human Rights Act.

[andy222]

Is that the best you can do Ded.. So you would vote for a party who would let thousands of who you have been criticising into the country? Is that right?

Quit trying to be a politician Ded answer the question?

[Dedworth]

Quit trying to be a politician Ded answer the question?

Unlike the sheep I won't be voting for Milibands Marxists and his bunch of Guardianista snobs living in multi million pound Islington Mansions

[andy222]

Still not the answer Im looking for Ded. A yes or no will be surfice.
Oh i get it. Your waiting for a reply from your Theresa on a way to wriggle out of this one? Maybe you can email the Daily snail for advice?

[Jamesey]

Unite's actions at Grangemouth have been disgraceful. I feel sorry for the non-unionised members of the workforce who have been dragged into this situation by the short-sighted militants at Unite.

First, they threaten a strike over the "treatment of a union official", then fail to back the rescue plan that would keep the facility open. They would love to have seen picket lines, queues at petrol stations and everything else, but they totally misjudged the situation.

Fortunately, they have lost this battle. Hopefully the Grangemouth employees will see sense and leave the union.

[Dedworth]

Still not the answer Im looking for Ded. A yes or no will be surfice.
Oh i get it. Your waiting for a reply from your Theresa on a way to wriggle out of this one? Maybe you can email the Daily snail for advice?

A maybe Andy as I could be voting Monster Raving Looney, UKIP or Geert Wilders Freedom Party if he sets up in the UK

[andy222]

Its a private company i.e a dictatorship. The company should honour the pension agreement for those workers that they set up in the first place.

[grahamw48]

A dictatorship ?

I was under the impression that most companies that size were run by a board of directors and a chairman...all answerable to the shareholders .

Maybe I'm missing something.

[andy222]

A maybe Andy as I could be voting Monster Raving Looney, UKIP or Geert Wilders Freedom Party if he sets up in the UK

The fact is your a true blue Ded and you have come unstuck on this one.

[andy222]

A dictatorship ?

I was under the impression that most companies that size were run by a board of directors and a chairman...all answerable to the shareholders .

Maybe I'm missing something.

Its the same thing Graham they do what they want.

[Dedworth]

The fact is your a true blue Ded and you have come unstuck on this one.

The footies got it's own thread Andy

[joebloggs]

Union Barons
Teachers
NHS Chiefs
Doctors
Police Officers
MP's
Utility Company CEO's
Spongers

dedworth, 3 of those do important jobs,

i'd guess you haven't got kids or you teach them your self

what do you think a doctor should be paid, have you any idea how long it takes for someone to become a consultant ? tell me whats the max and minimum number of years it takes and the cost

and as for the police, risking their lives and dealing with all day, how much would you want to be paid before you did that job

[grahamw48]

Joe, I know you have a personal interest, but there are LOTS of important jobs, and I'm sure Dedworth's list was the 'shortened version'.

We ALL have to tighten our belts, including all of those people who consider themselves more important and worthy than the rest of us. It's about economics, not 'values' or 'worth'.

(Otherwise footballers would be on minimum wage).

[SimonH]

Its a private company i.e a dictatorship. The company should honour the pension agreement for those workers that they set up in the first place.

A private company, as in one that wants to make money, not a registered charity
A company set up and run by a board of directors, not the unions. Simple concept capitalism as opposed to communism

[grahamw48]

Its the same thing Graham they do what they want.

But it's not the same thing though, is it.