Unite in Unemployment - Grangemouth

[andy222]

Oh Gwapo and Deds mate has shown up..
Capitalism and privatisation go hand in hand commrade.

[SimonH]

Oh Gwapo and Deds mate has shown up..
Capitalism and privatisation go hand in hand commrade.

By jove, I think he's got it

[andy222]

I need a explanation Graham. I know its got a board of directors and shareholders. Who are the shareholders? Foreign?. Do they give a monkey/s about the workers?

[andy222]

By jove, I think he's got it

I dont know which part you think Ive got but thanks.

[SimonH]

I dont know which part you think Ive got but thanks.

Capitalism and privatisation, a company needs to make money to pay it's workers, no profit, no company, no job. Simples

[grahamw48]

I need a explanation Graham. I know its got a board of directors and shareholders. Who are the shareholders? Foreign?. Do they give a monkey/s about the workers?

Well, as the world has now moved 'forward' into this wonderful global economy, I would think that very few employers give a monkeys about their employees....merely seeing them as a business expense...even more likely if the company is foreign owned/managed, I would certainly agree.

All down to basic human nature (ie..greed) and accepted commercial practice (ie...zero morals).

[bigmarco]

A private company, as in one that wants to make money, not a registered charity
A company set up and run by a board of directors, not the unions. Simple concept capitalism as opposed to communism

Simple until it all goes wrong and then we all become socialists and bail them out

[andy222]

Excellent Graham.

[joebloggs]

Joe, I know you have a personal interest, but there are LOTS of important jobs, and I'm sure Dedworth's list was the 'shortened version'.

We ALL have to tighten our belts, including all of those people who consider themselves more important and worthy than the rest of us. It's about economics, not 'values' or 'worth'.

(Otherwise footballers would be on minimum wage).

name some important jobs that are on the level of doctors, teachers and the police

has dedworth ever done any of these jobs
while they are studying, risking their life's or saving life's dedworth sat at home on the net

[andy222]

Simple until it all goes wrong and then we all become socialists and bail them out

Very true but you wont get that through to them Mark.

[andy222]

name some important jobs that are on the level of doctors, teachers and the police

has dedworth ever done any of these jobs
while they are studying, risking their life's or saving life's dedworth sat at home on the net

No Joe but he has read about them in the Daily Snail.

[joebloggs]

Capitalism and privatisation, a company needs to make money to pay it's workers, no profit, no company, no job. Simples

you've missed off the most important part, companies are there to make a profit for its share holders

and there are many not for profit companies out there

[joebloggs]

No Joe but he has read about them in the Daily Snail.

news editors , 'news ' reporters risking their life's

[Dedworth]

dedworth, 3 of those do important jobs,

i'd guess you haven't got kids or you teach them your self

what do you think a doctor should be paid, have you any idea how long it takes for someone to become a consultant ? tell me whats the max and minimum number of years it takes and the cost

and as for the police, risking their lives and dealing with all day, how much would you want to be paid before you did that job

Good evening Joe

I was a Primary School LEA Governor for 5 years, sons been through nursery, infant, junior & now at comprehensive so I'm not wet behind the ears about teachers and what a selfish peculiar breed many are. A good mate is a senior lab tech at a large comprehensive and he keeps me up to speed on the bizarre money wasting goings on.

Another friend and his wife are Doctors they are very comfortably off and unlike your man in Tameside (see Health Tourism thread) just get on with their jobs. I've never discussed money with them nor Health Politics .

There are a lot of excellent Police Officers but I also agree with Jack Straw who said a number prefered to sit around in a “warm police station” rather than going out on the streets to fight crime. I don't need to go into detail about the Back Office I'm Alright Jack three Police Federation representatives in the news this week over the plebgate thing

[SimonH]

you've missed off the most important part, companies are there to make a profit for its share holders

and there are many not for profit companies out there

No, a company is there to make profit, full stop. A company with share holders is a PLC, where people buy shares, i.e. shareholders in order to make a return on their investment. A privately owned company or a limited one is there to make the owners of that company money.
Non profit companies like the John Lewis partnership has partners where everyone in the company owns a fraction of it, and they re-invest the majority of their profits back into the company to expand it, why? to make more money for their partners

[grahamw48]

To be fair, the majority of people are doing valuable and often extremely skilled work that has taken many years to learn, whether in factories or as 'professionals'.

Our good doctors would for instance have to fashion their own scalpels if it weren't for the skilled 'lesser important' people making them.

[gWaPito]

Its the same thing Graham they do what they want.

Maybe I'm missing something as well

[gWaPito]

By jove, I think he's got it

[grahamw48]

Not naff anymore.

[gWaPito]

Not naff anymore.

I thought better and deleted that post Graham

[grahamw48]

Cheat.

[grahamw48]

Don't you hate it though when somebody immediately quotes you when you've just posted a load of and go back to edit it.


Good thing I don't drink these days.

[les_taxi]

Good evening Joe

I was a Primary School LEA Governor for 5 years, sons been through nursery, infant, junior & now at comprehensive so I'm not wet behind the ears about teachers and what a selfish peculiar breed many are. A good mate is a senior lab tech at a large comprehensive and he keeps me up to speed on the bizarre money wasting goings on.

Another friend and his wife are Doctors they are very comfortably off and unlike your man in Tameside (see Health Tourism thread) just get on with their jobs. I've never discussed money with them nor Health Politics .

There are a lot of excellent Police Officers but I also agree with Jack Straw who said a number prefered to sit around in a “warm police station” rather than going out on the streets to fight crime. I don't need to go into detail about the Back Office I'm Alright Jack three Police Federation representatives in the news this week over the plebgate thing

I'm jumping in here
Teachers have one of the cushiest jobs around,One of my friends is one and she admits it,good pay,12 weeks holiday etc,etc
moving on to the police-many are good cops but there are an ever growing number who can't be arsed-an ex police inspector told me he was glad to retire,I asked why he said the buggers don't want to get their hands dirty,I said what do you mean and he replied that often when call came in the cops would bicker about who's turn it was and 'I've just got myself a coffee now!'
Plus their morale is low-what's the piont in catching some low-life as the lefty judges won't convict them

[andy222]

And dipping into their pensions is really going to boost their morale isnt it Les.?

[SimonH]

And dipping into their pensions is really going to boost their morale isnt it Les.?

Good point Andy

The money taken every month from their hard earned salary to invest in their pension, something to look forward to at retirement
The same money that the pension company invest into shares of profit making companies so your pension goes up and you get a better annuity on your plan.
Oh the irony

[les_taxi]

We all have to share the pain-that's life

[Dedworth]

We all have to share the pain-that's life

Or those not willing to share the pain and avoid capitalism could emigrate to a Socialist Peoples Democracy - the choice is Cuba or North Korea

[joebloggs]

Good evening Joe

Another friend and his wife are Doctors they are very comfortably off and unlike your man in Tameside (see Health Tourism thread) just get on with their jobs. I've never discussed money with them nor Health Politics .

morning dedworth, well seeing you never talk to them , l'll give you an idea ..

5yrs at med school
2yrs foundation (fy1 ans fy2)

then the shortest path to getting on the specialist register is

GP 3yrs training

longest
surgery etc 7yrs of training

so the shortest time it takes to earn £67,000 is 10yrs of endless studying, exams and fee's -

the longest 14 long years, oh and it doesnt work out like that, your be lucky to find a ST post every year to carry on training

so the youngest someone could be a GP is 28, that takes a lot of sacrifice and commitment, like teachers its not just a 9 to 5 job

[Dedworth]

morning dedworth, well seeing you never talk to them , l'll give you an idea ..

5yrs at med school
2yrs foundation (fy1 ans fy2)

then the shortest path to getting on the specialist register is

GP 3yrs training

longest
surgery etc 7yrs of training

so the shortest time it takes to earn £67,000 is 10yrs of endless studying, exams and fee's -

the longest 14 long years, oh and it doesnt work out like that, your be lucky to find a ST post every year to carry on training

so the youngest someone could be a GP is 28, that takes a lot of sacrifice and commitment, like teachers its not just a 9 to 5 job

- so that gives them a god given right to be immune from belt tightening does it ?

[andy222]

You will be ok Ded come January when your government brings your romaniian friends here. It will put a smile on your face.. Mind you it will keep me in a job more people to treat.