Unite in Unemployment - Grangemouth

[joebloggs]

This quote?

go on you tell me master of stats , bullingdon boys have been in power 3 1/2yrs or under thatcher 12yrs in office or major ?

Again, my apologies, but no matter no many times I read it, it just doesn't make sense Can you please write the question out again in English?

No, I don't know the answer to the question I asked, or I wouldn't have asked a question, I'd have made a statement

Maybe it's me

oh i thought you knew the answer and was going to tell me that there was more jobs than unemployed people under a Tory gov, but you don't know the answer

[joebloggs]

The Grangemouth Workers should leave the Unite Union - Communist McCluskey doesn't represent them he only pursues his own extremist agenda

he didn't seem to be like that when i watched him on the news, it looked like he was doing all he could to save the jobs

[SimonH]

oh i thought you knew the answer and was going to tell me that there was more jobs than unemployed people under a Tory gov, but you don't know the answer

Come on Joe, you're a lot more intelligent than that

To save you and everyone else going back to see what I said originally, I've copied and pasted it for you

Original question :-

Maybe you can tell me when was there ever more jobs than unemployed
This should be good


Now, for a man of your intelligence I cannot for the life of me think you could misconstrue that as a question that I'd know the answer to

Shall we leave it as a genuine misunderstanding

[joebloggs]

is this simple enough for you, no i cannot, so can you tell me ?

give me a simple reply back

what i can definitely tell you it wasn't under thatcher

[grahamw48]

Can anybody tell me when 'government figures' were ever accurate ?

[SimonH]

is this simple enough for you, no i cannot, so can you tell me ?

give me a simple reply back

what i can definitely tell you it wasn't under thatcher

Yep, all understood thanks

Simple reply.......

wait for it...



nearly there....




the answer is......


No

[joebloggs]

Can anybody tell me when 'government figures' were ever accurate ?

the ONS is independent but reports directly to Parliament. thou I'm sure govs have picked which bits of reports they like to publish and try to hide other parts which they don't

[grahamw48]

Let's be honest, if someone wants to work ENOUGH, they'll find a job.

[joebloggs]

Let's be honest, if someone wants to work ENOUGH, they'll find a job.

so 2.5m don't want to work
try and live on benefits

[robbie bobby]

so 2.5m don't want to work
try and live on benefits

Joe you are right in a way.There are quite a lot of people who would love a job and cannot find one.There are also those who cant afford to get a job as it would pay less than the benefits they recieve due to family size etc.My dad looked for job for 15 years and could not get one.He was a postmaster.The age thing is also a factor.These days companies like to employ nice young types with lots of degrees so the older ones are pretty much screwed.As I said before it is an employers market these days and will continue to be so for a while yet.I have read in the news there is going to be another bad recession next year again.I was always lucky to have a job and I have been on benefits before and its not very nice but as someone said to me a while back."keep knocking on the doors and at some point it will come good"Thats what I did and I have been blessed.I do realise that jobs are hard to come by these days and whoever has a job should be grateful to have one

[grahamw48]

Joe, I have.

I also used to work at the 'dole' office, and my current job takes me into the homes of people on every kind of benefit (the details of which I'm required to check), every day of the week....and has done so for the past 10 years.

[grahamw48]

Joe you are right in a way.There are quite a lot of people who would love a job and cannot find one.There are also those who cant afford to get a job as it would pay less than the benefits they recieve due to family size etc.My dad looked for job for 15 years and could not get one.He was a postmaster.The age thing is also a factor.These days companies like to employ nice young types with lots of degrees so the older ones are pretty much screwed.As I said before it is an employers market these days and will continue to be so for a while yet.I have read in the news there is going to be another bad recession next year again.I was always lucky to have a job and I have been on benefits before and its not very nice but as someone said to me a while back."keep knocking on the doors and at some point it will come good"Thats what I did and I have been blessed.I do realise that jobs are hard to come by these days and whoever has a job should be grateful to have one

I would certainly agree with the 'ageism' factor Robbie.

[gWaPito]

did you read the thread
2.5 million unemployed, 500,000 jobs
never mind part time, they would have to be quarter time for 2.5m to do .5m jobs

That's a terrible attitude Joe. ..let's put these figures into perspective shall we. ..2.5 million unemployed out of a population of 63 million and rising. ...remember, when I started working back in 76 I was facing the same problems as today. ..youth unemployment has always been a big bear for every Government throughout the ages. ..I wonder why. ..maybe something to do with no experience of anything. ..I took crappie jobs to get that experience. .rest is history. ...We got folks now who won't belittle themselves doing that. ..much easier picking up fat benefit cheques with the option of nipping down the local food bank. ..disgraceful. ..I'm afraid too many unemployed thinking far too much of themselves these days. .

[gWaPito]

so 2.5m don't want to work
try and live on benefits

In a nutshell. ..yes
the benefits are ample if you don't smoke drink and keep dogs... Period
I believe you can get vitamin supplements as well free

[Dedworth]

he didn't seem to be like that when i watched him on the news, it looked like he was doing all he could to save the jobs

There was me thinking McCluskey brought them out on strike because he thought Ineos were treating a single member Union Gauletier Deans unfairly - they wanted to investigate whether the shenanigins he was up to in Labours Falkirk election candidate fixing project contravened his role as a convener http://www.scotsman.com/news/grangem...rawl-1-3153945

Red Len "saved" some well paid jobs though - The union has accepted a three-year pay freeze and committed not to strike during that period. It also agreed to scrap gold-plated ‘final salary’ pension schemes for staff, who earn an average salary of £55,000.

[grahamw48]

In a nutshell. ..yes
the benefits are ample if you don't smoke drink and keep dogs... Period
I believe you can get vitamin supplements as well free

Along with MANY other freebies and concessions.

[joebloggs]

That's a terrible attitude Joe. ..

its not an attitude its a fact there are 2.5m unemployed and only 500,000 jobs

[SimonH]

its not an attitude its a fact there are 2.5m unemployed and only 500,000 jobs

So where do Labour propose to find 2.5m jobs from

[gWaPito]

So where do Labour propose to find 2.5m jobs from

This'll be interesting. ...take your time Joe

[joebloggs]

So where do Labour propose to find 2.5m jobs from

why are you asking about labour, its the Tories who said that those 1m between 16 and 25yrs old who are out of work , will either have to have a job, go to college or do an apprenticeship.

still no info on this scam, i mean scheme

i hope its more successful than this one


Flagship £1bn youth unemployment scheme branded a failure

Government figures show that only fractions of places and subsidies have been taken up

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8897501.html

[joebloggs]

This'll be interesting. ...take your time Joe

are labour in gov? oh hang on they couldn't do worse, unemployment was lower under labour

[SimonH]

are labour in gov? oh hang on they couldn't do worse, unemployment was lower under labour

At one point yes but not when they were out voted

So if, or as you would say when they get voted back in where are all these jobs going to come from

[grahamw48]

Perhaps fewer Europeans and illegals, nicking our jobs ?

[SimonH]

Perhaps fewer Europeans and illegals, nicking our jobs ?

Ah, but by the time Labour get back in power (if they do), they may already be here, so it'll be against their 'uman rights innit

[joebloggs]

well as I've posted today, the facts show you unemployment has been lower under labour than the Tories and they had grow in GDP every year , except when there was a world wide banking crash, unlike the Tories GDP fluctuation and record levels of unemployment !

oh and lets hope the next labour gov take 1m kids back out of poverty again

1.1m children forecast to fall back into poverty - wiping out a decade of gains

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-of-gains.html

[gWaPito]

why are you asking about labour, its the Tories who said that those 1m between 16 and 25yrs old who are out of work , will either have to have a job, go to college or do an apprenticeship.

still no info on this scam, i mean scheme

i hope its more successful than this one


Flagship £1bn youth unemployment scheme branded a failure

Government figures show that only fractions of places and subsidies have been taken up

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8897501.html

What do these kids want. ..molly codling is not the way to bring them up. ..as with spoiling, it will end in tears. ...better to face the harsh realities of life now while they supposedly have the stamina and vigor to work through it hahaha, that's a laugh

No big money youth schemes in my day A wast of money. ..

[grahamw48]

Yes, life was just great under Labour....living on all that borrowed money.

...giving everybody subsidised employment, making houses 'affordable' with silly (and often fraudulent) mortgages, so that prices went up at a ridiculous rate....so that few can afford to buy one now.

Wonderful for those sitting pretty in their property now of course.

SOMEONE always has to pay in the end.

[SimonH]

Actually what you posted earlier was a bar chart of figures from the early 80's to the late 90's, what about the rest of that century and the first part of this

[joebloggs]

What do these kids want. ..molly codling is not the way to bring them up. ..as with spoiling, it will end in tears. ...better to face the harsh realities of life now while they supposedly have the stamina and vigor to work through it hahaha, that's a laugh

No big money youth schemes in my day A wast of money. ..

yes there was gWaPito, your memory is going there always been scams\schemes

[joebloggs]

Yes, life was just great under Labour....living on all that borrowed money.

...giving everybody subsidised employment, making houses 'affordable' with silly (and often fraudulent) mortgages, so that prices went up at a ridiculous rate....so that few can afford to buy one now.

Wonderful for those sitting pretty in their property now of course.

SOMEONE always has to pay in the end.

and life was good under thatcher selling everything off to pay the debts
not selling but giving away, selling £10 notes for a £5
how many billions were lost due to under valuing the companies she sold off
how many of these BRITISH companies are now owned by foreign companies

yes someone paid in the end, the British companies were owned by the tax payer but not any longer