well if you could find one, I'd appreciate it, but you will not find unemployment over 3 million under the socialist labour govsOriginally Posted by SimonH
slight edit, excuse me
Joe, once again you are correct in some respects, you see I was only 12 in 1979 so thank you for addressing me be my correct title
Personally I'd like to see a broader graph so we could get a better overall perspectiveLet's say from 1900 to 2013
unless they from the the 'daily mail' newspaper of the yearwell if you could find one, I'd appreciate it, but you will not find unemployment over 3 million under the socialist labour govs
No, it's alright I'll take your word for itwell if you could find one, I'd appreciate it, but you will not find unemployment over 3 million under the socialist labour govs
you don't need to take my word for it, you'll only find it recently at that level under the great capitalist thatcherNo, it's alright I'll take your word for it
Cheers Joeyou don't need to take my word for it, you'll only find it recently at that level under the great capitalist thatcher
I didn't realise how lucky I am, you see I actually left education in 1984 with 2 'O' levels. It must have been a total fluke that I found a job in those terrible times, what were those chances heh
well if you had watched the news at 10 in the 80's, you would remember trev McDonald at the end of the news stating how many 1000's\10,000s of people had lost their jobs that week.Cheers Joe
I didn't realise how lucky I am, you see I actually left education in 1984 with 2 'O' levels. It must have been a total fluke that I found a job in those terrible times, what were those chances heh
News at 10 in the 80's
i might have guessed
I was selling fitted kitchens and replacement windows in the mid-80s, then I opened my shop. Business was great and I was earning big money.
I was driving a new BMW 735i.
Unsocial hours of course, and commission-only....no union, just hard graft and getting on with it.
Ah, mid eighties.... I was enjoying the Japanese 'bubble economy'. What times they were
Of course I wont take your bet as if you read my post I have told you that those on benefits,the masses who don't look to the future will prob vote Labour and in a short while we will be borrowing and seeing the country go backwards again.i see you will not take my bet
what about thatcher and the economy record unemployment sold everything off
what did the tories do about monitoring banks ?? Micheal foot wanted to monitor the banks and people laughed at him, how right he was , what did the tory press call his manifesto the longest suicide note in history
don't you remember the yuppies and the greed that thatcher brought ??
I like Graham had a great 80s-worked for private firm gained 3 promotions,never took day off on a sickie,grafted my wife worked life was great.
Got off my .... and did the job
I can't see the tories winning again so hopefully labour will be back in before the tories destroy the NHS and sell what ever there is left to sell off !
like the post office, the gov vastly under estimated its value, wasting £2.4 billion
Some parts of the NHS are better off being privatised or contracted out though surelyI can't see the tories winning again so hopefully labour will be back in before the tories destroy the NHS and sell what ever there is left to sell off !
like the post office, the gov vastly under estimated its value, wasting £2.4 billion
now what parts and why would that be betterSome parts of the NHS are better off being privatised or contracted out though surely
Ok, for example the maintenance of the ambulancesnow what parts and why would that be better
well you posted earlier today that companies are there to make a profit, common sense would tell you it would be cheaper to employ your own maintenance staff than paying inflated prices to a 3rd party who sole purpose is to make a profitOk, for example the maintenance of the ambulances
So, you'd pay to kit out a workshop with all the tools, ramps etc, then pay mechanics to work there, say 3 or 4 to work on a fleet of say on average 10 ambulances that need maintenance say once a month. Doesn't sound financially viable to me, surely it's be cheaper to contract it outwell you posted earlier today that companies are there to make a profit, common sense would tell you it would be cheaper to employ your own maintenance staff than paying inflated prices to a 3rd party who sole purpose is to make a profit
i would have thought depending on how much work needed doing, that would decide on how many mechanics they employedSo, you'd pay to kit out a workshop with all the tools, ramps etc, then pay mechanics to work there, say 3 or 4 to work on a fleet of say on average 10 ambulances that need maintenance say once a month. Doesn't sound financially viable to me, surely it's be cheaper to contract it out
what are you saying they only work for 1 or 2 days a month ?
biggest cost to most companies is the wage bill, so a private company would have to employ a mechanic and charge more to the NHS than if the NHS employed a mechanic themselves as the private company has to make a profit, and that means charging the NHS more
Ah ok, so you pay a mechanic 25K a year and it cost's a few 100k to kit out each workshop, doesn't take long on a calculator to work out it's cheaper to pay Joe's garage down the road a bit extra on labour and utilise their facilities to maintain your fleeti would have thought depending on how much work needed doing, that would decide on how many mechanics they employed
what are you saying they only work for 1 or 2 days a month ?
biggest cost to most companies is the wage bill, so a private company would have to employ a mechanic and charge more to the NHS than if the NHS employed a mechanic themselves as the private company has to make a profit, and that means charging the NHS more
rubbish the garage down the road has to make a profit to pay for the rent of the garage, the owner, anyone else who works there, etc.Ah ok, so you pay a mechanic 25K a year and it cost's a few 100k to kit out each workshop, doesn't take long on a calculator to work out it's cheaper to pay Joe's garage down the road a bit extra on labour and utilise their facilities to maintain your fleet
you assuming that the mechanic(s) is sat fiddling his thumbs all day long doing nothing,
if thats so why dont the nhs hire him out to the garage !
Because the mechanic would get his union involved and they'd all go out on strikerubbish the garage down the road has to make a profit to pay for the rent of the garage, the owner, anyone else who works there, etc.
you assuming that the mechanic(s) is sat fiddling his thumbs all day long doing nothing,
if thats so why dont the nhs hire him out to the garage !
Can you name me any other company with a fleet of 10 or 20 vehicles that has their own fully equipped workshop
Ooops looks like I got in with my quote before you could edit out that last bit, sorry
have you been in a workshop at a Hospital ?Can you name me any other company with a fleet of 10 or 20 vehicles that has their own fully equipped workshop
oh quick google for my area comes up with ..
1,000 vehicles on both emergency and non-emergency operations.bit much for the garage down the road, and the cost of it, might be wiser for the trust to employ their own
The North West Ambulance Service (NWAS) NHS Trust was established on 1 July 2006, by the merger of ambulance trusts from Greater Manchester, Cheshire and Merseyside, Cumbria and Lancashire.
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The Trust operates around 1,000 vehicles on both emergency and non-emergency operations.
http://www.nwas.nhs.uk/about-us/who-we-are/
Bang on SimonSo, you'd pay to kit out a workshop with all the tools, ramps etc, then pay mechanics to work there, say 3 or 4 to work on a fleet of say on average 10 ambulances that need maintenance say once a month. Doesn't sound financially viable to me, surely it's be cheaper to contract it out
completely wrong thou, they service around 1000 vehicles in my area not 10Bang on Simon
Yes
Greatcompletely wrong thou, they service around 1000 vehicles in my area not 10
oh quick google for my area comes up with ..
1,000 vehicles on both emergency and non-emergency operations.
The North West Ambulance Service (NWAS) NHS Trust was established on 1 July 2006, by the merger of ambulance trusts from Greater Manchester, Cheshire and Merseyside, Cumbria and Lancashire.
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The Trust operates around 1,000 vehicles on both emergency and non-emergency operations.
http://www.nwas.nhs.uk/about-us/who-we-are/
Well no wonder the NHS is in the state it's in, if you were to believe those figures
They employ approximately 4700 staff
The trust operates around 1000 vehicles
So 1 in every 5, roughly has access to a vehicle
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