On BBC2 tonight ( Thursday 31 October ) the “ contrasting fortunes of the people of Manila … are told through the lives of three women in this documentary … about a public hospital ( Dr. Jose Fabella Memorial Hospital, Santa Cruz ) where 24,000 children are born every year “. That’s 1/5 of ALL births in Metro Manila ; and 3% of UK births ( over 800,000/ year )!
Reproductive Health Law ? As we all know, its implementation was delayed by the Philippines Supreme Court in March of this year!
one midwife thinks shes delivered 200,000 babies
i posted about this last week, but thanks for reminding me its on tonight
Sorry Joebloggs, I missed your postOriginally Posted by joebloggs
one midwife thinks shes delivered 200,000 babies
i posted about this last week, but thanks for reminding me its on tonight.
one midwife thinks shes delivered 200,000 babies
i posted about this last week, but thanks for reminding me its on tonightMaybe she should have thought about that before opening her mouth
If she worked 13 hour days, every day for 40 years and delivered 1 baby an hour that still wouldn't add up to 200000
she was asked and she made a guess, well seeing on some beds there are 4 or more women ready to give birth, maybe she can help deliver more than just 1 an hour
If she worked 13 hour days, every day for 40 years and delivered 1 baby an hour that still wouldn't add up to 200000
Why theshe was asked and she made a guess, well seeing on some beds there are 4 or more women ready to give birth, maybe she can help deliver more than just 1 an hour
Even at a rate of 2 babies per hour she would have to work 13 hour days for over 21 years without ever taking a day off. Are you deliberately trolling or is it just my posts you have delight in arguing with
If she worked 13 hour days, every day for 40 years and delivered 1 baby an hour that still wouldn't add up to 200000your the one questioning her estimateWhy the
Even at a rate of 2 babies per hour she would have to work 13 hour days for over 21 years without ever taking a day off. Are you deliberately trolling or is it just my posts you have delight in arguing with
i think you'll find it's you who is arguing
its ok doc alan, it was about 'no sex please we're Japanese'
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread....We-re-Japanese
189,000 it's near enough Simon, Will watch that tonight, thanks to both you and Doc!
I'll be watching it!
Should be very interesting. I'll be watching!
So will my wife. She did part of her nursing training there.
Maritess sister did her Midwifery course at that hospital!
my misses worked there too delivering babiesMaritess sister did her Midwifery course at that hospital!
Just finished watching it.
Most enjoyable...and quite moving.
The lady's first answer was she didn't know how many she delivered. The interviewer then pushed her and she just said 200,000. Shall we just agree that over her 28 years she's delivered loads of babies and done a great job.
Very good programme and delighted that the young girl got her job at the end
What an excellent programme! A truly fascinating and moving insight.
Next week's programme looks like it will be just as interesting. IMHO, this series is ESSENTIAL viewing. More top quality programming from the BBC.
Really enjoyed watching this
a very moving program, a tear of joy for the parents and the new job for the young lady too,
Such a vast difference to the people who it seems have everything OTHER THAN LOOKS , to the many who live on very little, just my thoughts , no harm meant
i've not watched all of it yet, so i don't know if the program mentioned stillborn babies, the rate in the Phils is 4* higher than the UK
one of the many comments from Ems was why do they always seem to show the slums when there are beautiful places too,
Most of the people living in Tundo originate from various provinces throughout the Philippines because they believe that Manila streets are paved with gold, when in actual fact they are worse off than what they were in the province!
so true Michael, but can you blame them for moving there if that is the caseMost of the people living in Tundo originate from various provinces throughout the Philippines because they believe that Manila streets are paved with gold, when in actual fact they are worse off than what they were in the province!
I think it's just because of the shocking contrasts Steve. People need to be reminded...so maybe not a bad thing really.
well i thinks thats the image the media have here of the Philippines, thou there are a lot of slums, but as you've said there are many beautiful places but people move to find work.
have you been to the slums around manila bay ?
I watched this last night. This made me miss home more! Good thing we're going home soon.
Anyway, Fabella hospital is just walking distance to where we live in Manila. Outside that hospital is a wet market (called Central Market) and lots and lots of kids there. My mum gave birth to my youngest brother in that hospital 25 years ago.
-=rayna.keith=-
...When you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible...
yeah - I watched it with fascination. Huge contrasts between Makati & Tondo. All respect for the woman who was working in Citibank and had dragged herself out of poverty. Really inspiring.
I have just sent that link to my niece, on Facebook. She lives in Tondo and has just completed her midwife training.
This was indeed a very interesting programme, both realistic about the present and optimistic for the future
Anita Rani told us that 1/5 mums from central Manila come to the Dr Jose Fabella Memorial Hospital ; 200 had registered by 10 am that day ; and its a 24 hour operation resulting in around 24,000 deliveries each year.
She told us about the hands on approach, with no sense of panic or chaos suggesting it was something in the psyche of Filipinas.
We were introduced to Rosalie, who already had 6 children, and no period since her LAST pregnancy. Because of increased risk of haemorrhage, and a shortage of blood for donation, relatives are encouraged to be present in case of the need for transfusion. Rosalie came from Tondo, the biggest slum , home to half a million, which has developed around a rubbish dump. Rosalie earns 250 pesos for each gown she makes ; her husband ( a carpenter and mason ) earns around 380 pesos /day. The points were made that the poorest people in Tondo, as elsewhere tend to have the most children, and Manila is expected to grow in population by half in the next 40 years.
Even so, Anita told us, things are changing ; the economy has grown .
We were then taken to Makati, and told that there are many thousands of businesses there now. The Maternity Unit of the private Makati Medical Center is state of the art . A Caesarean Section might cost 140 150 thousand pesos . Our second expectant Mum, Rose, typical of the increasing number of upper middle classes who can now afford it, was due to have her second ( and last ) baby by scheduled Caesarian Section ( we werent told the clinical reason ). Her husband is a banker. Their home for the past two years has been in the new Manila . Most wealthier Filipinos limit themselves to 2 children.
We were told that there could potentially be an end to the population explosion if more suitable jobs could be available in the Philippines, further increasing the numbers of middle classes and perhaps decreasing the need for so many OFWs. The Philippines is the Call Center capital of the world ( its overtaken India ), with half a million employed in this work . Such Filipinos are patient; polite; well educated ( a priority according to a respected local businessman ); most having degrees; willing to work long hours; for lower pay than in the UK ( £ 300 400 / month ) . Medical tourism and financial services also got a mention.
Population growth has slowed around the world, even in Tondo we were told. We were reminded that the Philippines is predominantly Catholic, contraception is not readily available, and expensive if it is.
The third lady, Jenalyn, was also from Tondo. She has 10 sibs and wants to break the lifestyle her mother has . She was doing work experience / an internship for City Bank, and was desperate to find a job to fund studying and a better lifestyle before having a family. Thankfully she did get a permanent job with the bank, after very careful preparation !
By complete contrast, we were then taken to meet a female Plastic Surgeon, in one of her 9 private clinics. Anita chatted to an 18 year old Filipina who was to have laser treatment for under-arm whitening . She was typical of an increasing number of younger Filipinos able to afford such treatment.
Apparently the average number of babies for each Filipina has fallen from 5 to 3 in the past 30 years. This reflects a trend elsewhere in the world.
Rosalie ( already with 6 kids ) was desperate to be delivered naturally, and not by Caesarian Section, because the cost of that would bankrupt the family money being their biggest worry . Thankfully it WAS a natural childbirth ! The boy did however have an uncertain future; born into poverty in a tough city; with no safety net , although Anita added that there is hope now there WILL be a better life . Indeed the programme ended on the optimistic note that after decades of stagnation and poverty, children born today COULD be as wealthy as Westerners
There were omissions in the programme ( no mention of Reproductive Health Act ; or statistics such as the Philippines birth rate, at around 25/1000 population, twice that of the UK; infant mortality rate, around 18/1000 live births, over four times that of the UK; maternal mortality rate, at between 100 and over 200/100,000 live births, at least eight times that of the UK ; more than half of Philippine pregnancies are unintended; see also http://filipinaroses.com/showthread....ductive+health
).
But these are minor points there was a limit to how much could be shown in the available time. I only hope as many members as possible can see this programme
In the UK, over a quarter of deliveries are by Caesarian Section ( 15% emergency, 10% elective ). Its based on clinical need / safety ( and mothers wishes ). Cost doesnt directly come into the equation ! I for one find it very hard to accept that necessary treatment for ANY condition ( free at the point of need in the UK ) may be unaffordable in the Philippines - with serious consequences
Having a notebook by the hospital bedside to write down complaints as recently recommended in England is an unfortunate sign of the times here.
How I also wish that others here in the UK appreciate their own NHS compared to the situation in countries such as the Philippines. This programme might have helped
Well said Doc
How I also wish that others here in the UK appreciate their own NHS compared to the situation in countries such as the Philippines. This programme might have helped
We managed to watch it with my youngest daughter and she was shocked at some of what she saw.
As you said it makes you appreciate what you have here.
I'll see if I can catch it on the BBC iplayer when I'm next off work
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