Should Smacking Children Be Illegal?

[Ako Si Jamie]

I don't believe for one minute that smacking turns a kid bad regardless what the 'experts' say. It could be a number of factors but the lack of nurturing, love and support would most likely be the number one reason.

[raynaputi]

I got smacked plenty of times when I was in gradeschool because of frequently shouting at my parents whenever I reason out and fighting with my siblings.. I don't think I turned out a bad person. It also didn't make me think my parents were doing it the wrong way. In fact, seeing one of my classmates with a big belt mark in the face (he said that time when his dad was gonna smack him on his butt, he mistakenly hit him on his face when he was trying to run away , not sure how it happened though) made me think my parents were too soft with us!

Some said that being smacked when you were a kid might/may become a cycle with their own kids. I don't have a child so I don't really know if that's true. I just smack Keith from time to time though..

[les_taxi]

I just smack Keith from time to time though.

That deserves some rep but I already gave you some yesterday

[joebloggs]

well there are 4 outcomes
you will have kids that had never been smacked who turned out ok
you will have kids that had never been smacked that turned out bad
you will have kids that had been smacked and turned out ok
you will have kids that had been smacked that turned out bad

the problem is every kid is an individual so no one can say how they will have turned out whether they were smacked or not.

without some reports of say looking at the prison population and finding out if they were smacked or not might give a rough idea but i'm sure its not that simple

thou i found this.. go to the table at After Effects of Physical Punishment
http://www.naturalchild.org/research...unishment.html

[raynaputi]

That deserves some rep but I already gave you some yesterday

[Arthur Little]

C'mon Ded ... you're a great advocate of punitive action being meted out to wrongdoers. ... WHY, then - on this, of all threads - did you "choose to go into hiding"?

Speak up, man!

[London_Manila]

well looking at what experts say..

'The evidence shows that the most prolific criminals start offending between the ages of 10 and 13,' said Julia Margo, associate director at IPPR and author of Make Me A Criminal, Preventing Youth Crime. 'You need to deal with the problem before it manifests. The biggest risk factor is not their behaviour, but their parents.'

But Margo said a total ban on smacking would also reduce the number of children turning to crime. 'There is a lot of evidence that children who are smacked regularly - once a week - are more likely to develop aggressive personality disorder,' said Margo. 'Hitting a child teaches them to act out on emotional impulses. We need to give out the message that children should be nurtured and taught to manage their behaviour. We should ban corporal punishment properly.'

It is a policy that many doctors oppose. 'This is an extremely important report,' said Rosalyn Proops, the child protection officer at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health. 'Like all people, paediatricians have a variety of opinions. However, the majority believe that all forms of smacking are an assault of a child and should not take place.'

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ildren.justice



Why smacking is never a good idea

Parents may believe there are occasions when only a smack will work. For example, your child is very disobedient; your toddler runs into the road; or one of your children bites a playmate. It can be tempting to think a smack sorts out these incidents quickly, but it does nothing to teach your child about how you want them to behave.

Instead, it:

gives a bad example of how to handle strong emotions
may lead your child to hit or bully others
may encourage your child to lie, or hide feelings, to avoid smacking
can make defiant behaviour worse, so discipline gets even harder
leads to a resentful and angry child, damaging family relationships if it goes on for a long time.

Most parents behave in ways they later regret – be it excessive shouting or smacking. If it happens, say you're sorry, make up and try again. This teaches your child a valuable lesson.


http://www.nspcc.org.uk/help-and-adv..._wda96810.html


In a study published in Pediatrics, researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence that smacking may make children act out more in the long run. Nearly 2,500 children were involved in the study and those who were smacked more frequently at the age of 3 were much more aggressive by age 5.

According to Dr. Catherine Taylor, community-health-sciences professor at Tulane, “The odds of a child being more aggressive at age 5 increased by 50% if he had been smacked more than twice in the month before the study began.”

http://www.bellybelly.com.au/child/s...ack-your-child


i take it this is what prompted you to make the post scouser Keith

Parents should be banned from smacking children, the Children's Commissioner for England, Maggie Atkinson, has said.

She told the Independent the law gave pets and adults more rights to protection from violence than children.

There was a legal "loophole around the fact that you can physically chastise your child", she added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25529744

Omg these types would have you locked up for even scolding a child

You can find so called experts on anything but that does not mean that they are right, normally these so called experts are just pushing their own agenda normally based on who funds them

Sorry Joe some unruly delinquents need some respect beaten into them
Unpalatable to you it may seem but your softly softly approach would just get laughed at
Try taking that approach with the yobs in gangs based in south london

[Ako Si Jamie]

C'mon Ded ... you're a great advocate of punitive action being meted out to wrongdoers. ... WHY, then - on this, of all threads - did you "choose to go into hiding"?

Speak up, man!

Perhaps he's been sent to the naughty step!

[sentinent]

Omg these types would have you locked up for even scolding a child

You can find so called experts on anything but that does not mean that they are right, normally these so called experts are just pushing their own agenda normally based on who funds them

Sorry Joe some unruly delinquents need some respect beaten into them
Unpalatable to you it may seem but your softly softly approach would just get laughed at
Try taking that approach with the yobs in gangs based in south london

I absolutely agree with this. Stuff the "naughty step" approach. If society as a whole adopted this daft strategy we would all be off to Hell in a handcart. Good post London_Manila. And a Happy New Year to all.

[bigmarco]

J

Try taking that approach with the yobs in gangs based in south london

I think you'll find that the majority of these yobs exist because of a lack of parental control and a breakdown of the family unit. Its not a slapping that they lack its the fact that most of them probably wouldn't know their dad if they walked past him in the street.

[joebloggs]

Omg these types would have you locked up for even scolding a child

You can find so called experts on anything but that does not mean that they are right, normally these so called experts are just pushing their own agenda normally based on who funds them

Sorry Joe some unruly delinquents need some respect beaten into them
Unpalatable to you it may seem but your softly softly approach would just get laughed at
Try taking that approach with the yobs in gangs based in south london

5yrs med school, 2 years foundation training and 5 yrs specialist training to be a paediatrician , plus many years of experience from seeing 1000's of kids i think they can call themselves experts oh and lets not forget many are parents themselves

i suppose you tell the garage what the exact fault is on your car, or the gas engineer what the fault is on your boiler but then people know better than paediatricians and psychiatrists

you probably didn't look at the last link i posted,http://www.naturalchild.org/research...unishment.html have a look at the table, look at the row most Violent inmates at San Quentin and it looks to me

respect beaten

into them didn't work because they are in prison , and highly dangerous now

also this thread has gone from a

little slap

to

respect beaten into them

, i take it you wouldn't beat respect into a child or give a teenager a little slap

my misses has had to deal with children with bruises and injures in A&E and contacted social services when she and other medical staff have been concerned as they are trained to do, that maybe Unpalatable to you, but that's the procedure,

as for beating

unruly delinquents

and the gangs let the courts and police deal with them, if you think justice is not being done contact your MP and complain to the courts.

this is my last post on this , no it is..

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL

[les_taxi]

Your last post on this! Halalula

[tiger31]

Your last post on this! Halalula

[KeithD]

I usually go to Amsterdam for a slapping session for being a naughty boy ..... this is the S&M forum isn't it?

[SimonH]

I usually go to Amsterdam for a slapping session for being a naughty boy ..... this is the S&M forum isn't it?

This is you, isn't it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0TJozRzkkI

[London_Manila]

5yrs med school, 2 years foundation training and 5 yrs specialist training to be a paediatrician , plus many years of experience from seeing 1000's of kids i think they can call themselves experts oh and lets not forget many are parents themselves

i suppose you tell the garage what the exact fault is on your car, or the gas engineer what the fault is on your boiler but then people know better than paediatricians and psychiatrists

you probably didn't look at the last link i posted,http://www.naturalchild.org/research...unishment.html have a look at the table, look at the row most Violent inmates at San Quentin and it looks to me into them didn't work because they are in prison , and highly dangerous now

also this thread has gone from a to , i take it you wouldn't beat respect into a child or give a teenager a little slap

my misses has had to deal with children with bruises and injures in A&E and contacted social services when she and other medical staff have been concerned as they are trained to do, that maybe Unpalatable to you, but that's the procedure,

as for beating and the gangs let the courts and police deal with them, if you think justice is not being done contact your MP and complain to the courts.

this is my last post on this , no it is..

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL

My point was these cretins that join gangs and cause as much bother as they can to normal people would not be acting like that if they had a bloody good beating when they were younger
A type of beating that would put the fear of god into them

The courts are overrun with these idiots and its too late to do anything with them now

You are still allowed to beat your child as long as you dont leave any bruises
This kind of pc bullshit makes me sick

Next time you pass a group of thugs on the street joe just go and try your softly softly approach
Every town has a group of idiots hanging around up to no good so they wont be hard to find

[malditako]

Occasional slap wouldnt do harm when kids are really as long as they feel loved at home all the time. Discipline starts at home

[London_Manila]

J

I think you'll find that the majority of these yobs exist because of a lack of parental control and a breakdown of the family unit. Its not a slapping that they lack its the fact that most of them probably wouldn't know their dad if they walked past him in the street.

Yes good point

[fred]

I didnt get too involved with this smacking thread because..As I said..I dont like Politicians or a BIG government telling me how to bring up my kids!!..
The thing is,I dont advise any new parent or those with youngsters of any age to smack their kids in order to discipline them..
Thats because I mind my own business.. Each parent is responsible for their childrens general behaviour and its each parents job in life to teach their kids in the best way they know how and to mould them into young adults we can be proud of.
I dont believe in spoiling kids to make me feel better short term!!
If you love something ...Why spoil it?
If I see kids that come out of a house battered and bruised,Im gonna ask questions until I find out if the kid is OK..That is my social responsibility and conscience working..Not a new law telling me how to be a good parent. To be honest,if my questions are not answered then the Police and social services will know about it..
What I dont like is when society tells me to be a good responsible parent and then set rules that disable sensible options in case I feel I need them..
They cant have it both ways..It just aint gonna work.
I smacked my kids very rarely and along with many other disciplinary measures which I back up to this day,I have 3 very well grounded young adults that any parent would be proud of..
If you dont believe me..Ask my kids.

[grahamw48]

Good post Fred.

Proof is in the pudding, and all that.

Common sense....something often sadly lacking these days.

[Ako Si Jamie]

Common sense....something often sadly lacking these days.

[les_taxi]

Can we put this thread out of it's misery now

[grahamw48]

I'm only replying cos I'm using my new Hudl tablet. Hahaha......carry on...