I need help about my husband problem!

[shandylove]

hello folks! hope all is well! i am desperate need help or any advice about my husband problem in work now.

just recently he has a trouble with hes manager even though he done nothing wrong with his job at night shift.
all the blame from the mistakes of a colleagues the manager put on blame to my husband or in our understanding it seems like a blockmail just to suck him in job in a small mistake! hes been 16 years already in that firm in a night shift job, its a pain all of a sudden he got a letter from the manager saying that they offered a "Life Line" and they want them to transfer my husband in a day time and under observation for 12 months!
were been already in a citizens advice beareu but looks like no help from them!
my questions is: is that in justice that they offered a life line with under observation of 12 months?
they dont even give a consideration for 16 years working in that firm... my husband a little bit worried if he will transfer in a day time and the manager will find another mistake or blockmail again just to suck him in that firm.

how can we do about this problem? where do we find help about it? by the way that firm is no union thats why my husband he dont know what the best option. thank you in advice

[tiger31]

hello folks! hope all is well! i am desperate need help or any advice about my husband problem in work now.

just recently he has a trouble with hes manager even though he done nothing wrong with his job at night shift.
all the blame from the mistakes of a colleagues the manager put on blame to my husband or in our understanding it seems like a blockmail just to suck him in job in a small mistake! hes been 16 years already in that firm in a night shift job, its a pain all of a sudden he got a letter from the manager saying that they offered a "Life Line" and they want them to transfer my husband in a day time and under observation for 12 months!
were been already in a citizens advice beareu but looks like no help from them!
my questions is: is that in justice that they offered a life line with under observation of 12 months?
they dont even give a consideration for 16 years working in that firm... my husband a little bit worried if he will transfer in a day time and the manager will find another mistake or blockmail again just to suck him in that firm.

how can we do about this problem? where do we find help about it? by the way that firm is no union thats why my husband he dont know what the best option. thank you in advice

where does he work ? and what mistake are they accusing him of ? need a bit more detail for us to offer advice

[London_Manila]

They have not dismissed him and he still has a job
Whats the problem with your husband working day shifts?
I dont think your husband can insist on staying on nights
These non union companies can get rid of you fast so its best not to get involved in fighting with them

Go on days and make no mistakes would be my advice

Of course its not good justice but thats how these companies operate these days = no respect for their workers

[shandylove]

where does he work ? and what mistake are they accusing him of ? need a bit more detail for us to offer advice

Hello! Husband work in a food factory as a night shift for 16 years and they accused him stealing of time that he doesnt do!

[tiger31]

Hello! Husband work in a food factory as a night shift for 16 years and they accused him stealing of time that he doesnt do!

mmm sounds like a case of bullying can he not ask to speak to the manager instead of his supervisor so he can get a clear picture of the accusations against him .It maybe they just want him to switch to dayshift to which there is,nt much he can do about without a union or details of his contracted hours.

[tiger31]

16 years is a lot of years to throw away it could be a ploy to get out of any costly redundancy payments which is another trick some companies try.

[SimonH]

Not sure what stealing of time is
Are they saying he's late? Does he have to clock in? Are they saying someone's clocking in for him or he's clocking in for someone else? Has he had any official warnings?
Not sure what to advise without knowing the full story.

[tiger31]

I agree just inbox any of us if you don,t want to say any more and i,m sure some of us can give some advice to help if we know all the facts .

[shandylove]

They have not dismissed him and he still has a job
Whats the problem with your husband working day shifts?
I dont think your husband can insist on staying on nights
These non union companies can get rid of you fast so its best not to get involved in fighting with them

Go on days and make no mistakes would be my advice

Of course its not good justice but thats how these companies operate these days = no respect for their workers

He doesnt like in the day time coz the manager wants to rid of him is in the day time shift and my husband instinct the manager will do some dilemma again just to rid of him!
My husband was so upset coz his working there for how many years then all of a sudden this all happened just the wrong accusation!

[lordna]

If there was a problem with your husbands timekeeping then they should have given first verbal warnings, then a written warning. Presumably they have evidence of your husband not keeping to times. You could try getting in touch with ACAS, they might be able to give you advice. Suddenly changing from nights to a day shift might be very inconvenient and not sure what could happen if your husband refused.

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1461

[Michael Parnham]

Tell your husband to stop worrying do as they ask and get on with his job, I'm sure there is nothing wrong. If he doesn't agree with what they say tell him to find another job!

[tiger31]

Tell your husband to stop worrying do as they ask and get on with his job, I'm sure there is nothing wrong. If he doesn't agree with what they say tell him to find another job!

quite a hard thing to do michael after 16 years in the job for some people, lots of people love their jobs and find it difficult to leave after such a long time.

[Michael Parnham]

quite a hard thing to do michael after 16 years in the job for some people, lots of people love their jobs and find it difficult to leave after such a long time.

With respect Brian, you're supposed to go to work and do as you're told, not do what you want!

[Slip]

I am not a union rep, but am clued up on things....

They cannot make your husband change shift without 4 weeks prior notice and only then a good reason is needed. If they are accusing him of something they should really suspend him until a full investigation is carried out. It is a shame he is not a member of a union as they would do all the leg work regarding this. Personally I would politely refuse their request and ask them to show proof of wrong doing. If they can't then he should stand firm and refuse the request.

[tiger31]

With respect Brian, you're supposed to go to work and do as you're told, not do what you want!

quite correct michael but you go to work and not to bullied by some jumped up ass who might have a problem with you. we don,t know the true facts here and therefore can,t give out any advice. I have been in a few situations where I was in a place and had done 10 years service all of a sudden some newbie came along and was given a walkie talkie and told he was a supervisor, he was walking around like hitler telling people how to do their jobs many of which had been there for loads of years. needless to say he did,nt last long. At the end of the day you need to treat people with respect because without people you do not have a business.

[Michael Parnham]

quite correct michael but you go to work and not to bullied by some jumped up ass who might have a problem with you. we don,t know the true facts here and therefore can,t give out any advice. I have been in a few situations where I was in a place and had done 10 years service all of a sudden some newbie came along and was given a walkie talkie and told he was a supervisor, he was walking around like hitler telling people how to do their jobs many of which had been there for loads of years. needless to say he did,nt last long. At the end of the day you need to treat people with respect because without people you do not have a business.

I agree with what you say Brian and you are quite right, but the lady said they offered him a lifeline for twelve months on days, could that be to see if he can cope on days after being so long on nights? If there was anything wrong with his workmanship they wouldn't give him twelve months grace surely because that would be costing the company money!

[gWaPito]

All reading between the lines. .we ain't being given the full sp....if his governor thought he was on the rob, his feet wouldn't of touched the ground. ...I think the reason of not wanting to come off nights is because of the wage drop.
Then again, I could be wrong.

[grahamw48]

We have labour laws now. You can't push employees around so easily. I'd suggest he gets advice from the govt Job centre. There are proper procedures to be followed...union or not. Any accusations by employers have to be provable in court.

[Ako Si Jamie]

Accusing a person of stealing, without any proof - isn't that deemed as slander?

I'd seek legal advice.

[gWaPito]

I know of an employer. .not a million miles away who'd just bin the employee if they'd became troublesome. .yes, there's protection but at the end of the day they will just pay you off. .union or not.

[Slip]

I think the reason of not wanting to come off nights is because of the wage drop.
Then again, I could be wrong.

I used to do permanent nights... But because I was asked to change shift to 2 days, 2 nights my money stayed the same as the boss told me to change shift, I didn't ask too. So I would say if he is being told to change shift by a boss his money will stay the same.

[Dedworth]

Accusing a person of stealing, without any proof - isn't that deemed as slander?

I'd seek legal advice.

The OP referred to stealing time which might mean fiddling time sheets etc. Good suggestion about legal advice I'd think about a free 30 min session or whatever they do but only with a brief specialising in employment issues. The problem as we know is if the husband waved the big legal stick at the employer in a non union firm they'd just mark his card for future sacking.

[shandylove]

Thank you for all your comment! We rang ACAS this afternoon and the bloke said my husband will try another letter again to the higher manager and write down the reason of why he doesnt like in a day time shift which is he is frightened coz the one manager whos messed around him maybe he will do some nasty things again then end up sacking him without a justice! We will do the letter tomorrow coz my husband due for his decosion i on tomorrow at 5pm meeting.
Anyway, before the letter of decision about his life line the nasty manager confront to my husband like shouting and call all the name under the sun so my husband was upset and answer back to him
Because he done nothing wrong!
The decision letter say my husband need to choose the 2 option which " offered a life line and transfer to a day time and under observation for 12 months or dismissal...
I think its unfair for 16 years working in that company just a wrong accusation only!
Its so stressfull and annoying!

[shandylove]

Im so much worried to my husband coz his was shock of what happened now! In a 16 years working there its a first time happened that they accused him and got a letter of life line or dismissal just a reason of stealing of time which he did'nt do!
What else we can do about this? We search free solicitor consultation but we cant find it!

[Dedworth]

Im so much worried to my husband coz his was shock of what happened now! In a 16 years working there its a first time happened that they accused him and got a letter of life line or dismissal just a reason of stealing of time which he doesnt do!
What else we can do about this? We search free solicitor consultation but we cant find it!

Try to find a Solicitor specialising in Employment Law (I've not looked but the Law Society website might have a search facility) and ask "Do you do a free no-obligation consultation ?" If you don't ask you don't get. I hope things work out - sounds like your hubby has been put in an awful situation

[shandylove]

Try to find a Solicitor specialising in Employment Law (I've not looked but the Law Society website might have a search facility) and ask "Do you do a free no-obligation consultation ?" If you don't ask you don't get. I hope things work out - sounds like your hubby has been put in an awful situation

Thanks dedworth! We will do that..
Yup hes been stressfull and feel ill and sick of shock thats why im so much worried!
Hopefully it will sort it out soon and hoping in a good outcome!

[grahamw48]

Good luck to you both.

[London_Manila]

He doesnt like in the day time coz the manager wants to rid of him is in the day time shift and my husband instinct the manager will do some dilemma again just to rid of him!
My husband was so upset coz his working there for how many years then all of a sudden this all happened just the wrong accusation!

If they give him enough notice then he cant refuse to go on days
Getting a solicitor involved at this stage will just cost you money and wont help your husbands case
Get a solicitor involved if he gets fired not at this stage
Do what they want and see how it goes with time

[SimonH]

How exactly has been accused of stealing time? It sounds like a large company, and if so he could talk to the HR department. There are several options, all of which either ACAS or a employment solicitor would be able to advise you on, but I'd be looking instigating a grievance procedure or maybe it could be grounds for constructive dismissal.