Union Leader Bob Crow Dead

[Arthur Little]

Ah ... but he won't ... Bob Crow was a devout atheist!

Having indulged in a few wise cracks earlier in this thread, I confess to feeling 'a little' ashamed now after reading more about the man himself. Seems - as borne out in Marco's post - he was a man of high moral principle, a man who had the courage of his convictions to stand up for what he believed in ... workers' rights ... steadfastly supporting his members through "thick 'n' thin" by consistently delivering them the promises he'd made.

And such qualities ( in my book, at least!) speak volumes.

[grahamw48]

From what I saw of him on the news reports tonight, he came across as nothing more than an overgrown school-yard bully. First impressions I have found in most cases throughout my life, have eventually turned out to have been correct.

[Terpe]

Having indulged in a few wise cracks earlier in this thread, I confess to feeling 'a little' ashamed after reading more about the man himself. Seems - as borne out in Marco's post - he was a man of high moral principle, a man who had the courage of his convictions to stand up for what he believed in ... workers' rights ... steadfastly supporting his members through "thick 'n' thin" by consistently delivering them the promises he'd made.

And such qualities ( in my book, at least!) speak volumes.

I don't know Bob Crow, and don't know that much about him, but from what I've read and heard today it's exactly as you intimate in your post Arthur. Well said.

He stood fast on his beliefs, and fought tooth and nail to get his union members the very best employment T&C's and safe working conditions. Maybe a he did a lot of things that weren't popular with everyone and maybe he did a lot of straight talking that didn't go down well with everyone.

Bit like us all really....

Additionally I know for a fact that he was significantly instrumental in getting railway business for UK to remain in UK. Plenty of governments of all colours seemed actively against that

He was a railway man and trade unionist through and through. Nothing wrong with that.

Without getting into an argument, could someone please enlighten me how Bob crow deserves such comments as 'rot in hell'.

Well presented post Arthur

[joebloggs]

nothing in common with the working people that was a bit rich his salary was,nt in line with common people either .money ordinary people could only dream about .

well if i was in a union and he got me better pay and conditions then i wouldn't care what the union members paid him, after all he was doing his job

[gWaPito]

Ah ... but he won't ... Bob Crow was a devout atheist!

I expect he got Christened on the QT like they all do ....Just in case

[gWaPito]

"She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

You may have overlooked this post, Peter.

[Bluebirdjones]

Bob was elected to represent his members interests, and he did that to the best of his abilities.

He fought for an improvement in their work conditions, protection of their pensions, and a decent working/living wage.

I wish a few more union chiefs would (and should have) done the same.

Then perhaps we wouldn't be in a position of zero hour contracts, limited employment rights, etc etc

Perhaps some of these professional politicians who supposedly represent the Labour party should take a hard look at themselves.... and understand what socialism really means.

RIP Bob

[Arthur Little]

From what I saw of him on the news reports tonight, he came across as nothing more than an overgrown school-yard bully.

Hmm ... perhaps his "image" gave rise to that impression, Graham - he certainly looked the part, . But then ... ... aren't most (if not all) Union Leaders meant to be portrayed as intimidating tough nuts?? "Comes with the territory"!

[gWaPito]

Bob was elected to represent his members interests, and he did that to the best of his abilities.
He fought for an improvement in their work conditions, protection of their pensions, and a decent working/living wage.

I wish a few more union chiefs would (and should have) done the same.
Then perhaps we wouldn't be in a position of zero hour contracts, limited employment rights, etc etc

Perhaps some of these professional politicians who supposedly represent the Labour party should take a hard look at themselves.... and understand what socialism really means.

RIP Bob

I agree The Labour party should really get a handle on it and take it on board The Crow is dead, long live the Crow

[Arthur Little]

Well presented post Arthur

Peter ... thank you for your support, your kind words and the rep you've given me for my post ... they're ALL greatly appreciated.

[Terpe]

You may have overlooked this post, Peter.

This thread has nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher.....
I'm just seeking reasons why folks have such extreme feelings about Bob Crow to make such terrible comments that's all.

It goes beyond reason IMO to hold such views solely on the basis of what he allegedly said about Thatcher.....

How did Bob Crow affect your life ?

[stevewool]

thats why i dont get involved, even in death some people still have to hate those they have never even meet, if you have not got anything good to say about anyone then the best bet is to keep it shut, no ofence meant to anyone alive or dead

[les_taxi]

It wasn't allegedly!

I heard him on 5 live when they were having the strike on the tubes and a guy rang in and made Crow look a Pratt, he said ok you are happy to support the strike leaving loads of people buggered, but what am i to do about my business - (bar owner) - and the lack of trade due to the strike.

Crow was not concerned one iota that his validation of the strike affected anyone else or their livelihood, meanwhile his lavish wage and lifestyle really made him a man of the people

Fooled many people.

[joebloggs]

meanwhile his lavish wage and lifestyle really made him a man of the people

Fooled many people.

paid for by union members and he did his job, he fought and got them better pay and conditions surely even a fool can see that

[les_taxi]

I would not have had a go if he had not shamefully said what he did about Margaret Thatcher. He could not care less that love or hate her, her family don't need to read what he said.

Well, ironically he's gone so soon after his disgusting remarks.

[Doc Alan]

No matter what one thought of Bob Crow, the fact is that death from natural causes – apparently a “ heart attack “ - at the age of 52 is premature by any definition, and a tragedy for family, loved ones, and friends.

One person dies every few minutes in the UK from coronary heart disease. Most such deaths are caused by a heart attack ( where part of the heart muscle dies due to blockage of the artery supplying it ) - at age 65 or over.



It’s likely there would be a Coroner post-mortem in Bob Crow's case, whether or not he was known to have heart disease during life. The pathologist would try to rule out other causes, such as those which might have been present from birth or a genetic abnormality which might affect family members.


This premature death has attracted more attention on the Forum than “ Your health … your choices “ ( Health Issues ). Risk factors for heart attacks either can’t be modified ( age, family history, personality type ), or can ( smoking, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, exercise level, stress ).


At the very least, members - and his own family - may question why it happened, and whether it could have been avoided. * PLEASE take this chance to think about it !


R.I.P. Bob Crow.

[joebloggs]

I would not have had a go if he had not shamefully said what he did about Margaret Thatcher,He could not care less that love or hate her,her family don't need to read what he said.
Well, ironically he's gone so soon after his disgusting remarks.

i agree with most of what he said about thatcher, she did die in the Ritz and i doubt she spent her time worrying how she was going to pay her bills and keep warm unlike like many pensioners

[les_taxi]

Irrelevant - she died in the Ritz, she had a well paid job for years as Prime Minister

You can say that about anyone who is not on the breadline.
He said rot in hell well, disgusting by any standards -scum

[gWaPito]

This thread has nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher.....
I'm just seeking reasons why folks have such extreme feelings about Bob Crow to make such terrible comments that's all.

It goes beyond reason IMO to hold such views solely on the basis of what he allegedly said about Thatcher.....

How did Bob Crow affect your life ?

How did Genghis Khan affect your life What's that gotta do with the price of cheese??

Like what Les states, this wasnt alleged, it's fact. I do hold such views along wd many others on here that what goes around, comes around and he got his

[gWaPito]

i agree with most of what he said about thatcher, she did die in the Ritz and i doubt she spent her time worrying how she was going to pay her bills and keep warm unlike like many pensioners

Strangely enough, I dont either. That's what gainful employment does for you. I recommend it...apparently it's good for the soul

[London_Manila]

From what I saw of him on the news reports tonight, he came across as nothing more than an overgrown school-yard bully. First impressions I have found in most cases throughout my life, have eventually turned out to have been correct.

Wrong and if you had worked for a railway company then i am sure you would not have complained about Bob Crow getting you decent pay rises and better working conditions

He was employed to represent his members best interests and that is what he did

[London_Manila]

Having indulged in a few wise cracks earlier in this thread, I confess to feeling 'a little' ashamed now after reading more about the man himself. Seems - as borne out in Marco's post - he was a man of high moral principle, a man who had the courage of his convictions to stand up for what he believed in ... workers' rights ... steadfastly supporting his members through "thick 'n' thin" by consistently delivering them the promises he'd made.

And such qualities ( in my book, at least!) speak volumes.

I agree but of course the people brainwashed by the right wing gutter press who spent years vilifying Bob Crow were never going to see it like that

[London_Manila]

paid for by union members and he did his job, he fought and got them better pay and conditions surely even a fool can see that

Sorry Joe most cant even bring themselves to admit that Bob Crow did a good job for his members

[London_Manila]

She will chew him up and spit him out!

I am sure that most people who work for London Underground earn more than you and do a lot less hours

Sorry but thats very relevant when it comes to you constantly knocking Bob Crow

[London_Manila]

nothing in common with the working people that was a bit rich his salary was,nt in line with common people either .money ordinary people could only dream about .

Actually Bob's salary is peanuts when compared to what most UK company directors are paying themselves

[SimonH]

Actually Bobs salary is peanuts when compared to what most uk company directors are paying themselves

Really! When you say "actually" do you know that for a fact or are you guessing?

http://www.salarytrack.co.uk/average-director-salary

[les_taxi]

I am sure that most people who work for London Underground earn more than you and do a lot less hours

Sorry but thats very relevant when it comes to you constantly knocking Bob Crow

Train drivers earn shed loads but don't want to be one, working on the London underground lol no thanks!

I would rather ferry people around and build up regular work driving around beautiful Yorkshire.

[gWaPito]

Really! When you say "actually" do you know that for a fact or are you guessing?

http://www.salarytrack.co.uk/average-director-salary

You were going well LM until you said that You must admit, he was on a good screw

I'll even admit, from what I've read about him, not knowing him personally Bob Crow worked wonders but, he made the mistake to rubbish and insult the dead and their family........That in my book is a no no

[bigmarco]

That in my book is a no no

But it's ok for you to do it

[gWaPito]

But it's ok for you to do it

Crow went on radio, addressing the nation to do it. He had no respect she why should I give it . What's good for one, is good for the gander. An eye for an eye...It goes on...Reference Genesis