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    On culture shock, horror, and disgust: Some of the emotions from which I'm still reeling

    This is nothing personal and if I hit a little close to home, I'd love to hear your thoughts on why I'm justifiably wrong to feel the way I do.

    I just moved to the UK in September 2013, and at the moment, I'm finding the culture shock a bit more than what I experienced when I moved to the US. I don't really know whether what I've seen so far are of the English culture, or local culture, or whatever. Forgive me for ranting, but I've been holding this all in for months, and I have been alone in this country with no one who understands where I'm coming from. I'd appreciate your input on a few topics.

    1. Sanitation/hygiene (or the severe lack thereof)

    Why do you use spit to 'clean' a smudge off skin or objects? No hand-washing, no regard for the millions of bacteria in each person's mouth, no regard for the millions of bacteria on the shoe that was just rubbed with spit.
    Why don't people wash hands after using the toilet or before touching food, or after touching raw meat?
    Why do people push crumbs or spilled food from the table directly on to the floor, disregarding how sticky the floor will get?

    Why do people put shopping bags directly on the ground, then put them directly on the kitchen counters where you also directly prepare sandwiches and salads? I actually ended up in an ambulance and spending the night at the hospital because of the filthy food I've had to eat (couldn't refuse the sandwich without looking rude). I guess violently expelling everything in my GI tract was better than my baby getting deformed or even dying because of the nasty contaminated food. I've never been that sick before, despite coming from a farm (with no running water) in Bicol.

    2. Speaking of hygiene, please don't "shift gears"

    Why, oh why, do men constantly rearrange their junk??? It's disgusting and rude, and highly offensive. I can't believe the number of people I see doing this in public! Even my sister complained about this. Her office in Manila recently had an English visitor. Everyone treated the man warmly and he went out drinking with my sister's team, composed mainly of men, a few times. They let him pour everyone's shots, and shared their bar snacks with him. To everyone's extreme disgust, the last drinking night before he left, he reached into his pants, rearranged himself, and then sniffed his hand. My sister immediately commandeered the ice bucket so he wouldn't touch the tongs again, someone else took over the bottle of whatever alcohol they were drinking, and there were horrified looks exchanged all around the oblivious visitor. After a minute or so, the one gay person in the group managed to ask the guy to please go to the toilet next time he wanted to rearrange himself as it just wasn't acceptable in the Philippines to do it in public. The man had the gall to joke that sometimes men just needed to rearrange because they were sweaty and itchy.

    The next day, at the airport, my sister just waved goodbye instead of shaking his hand.

    Unfortunately for all the men in her team, they couldn't escape his handshake. As soon as the man had walked away and was out of earshot, every last one of them doused everything he had touched in rubbing alcohol. That is how revolting we Filipinos find crotch-grabbing. I know that even if the guy had rearranged himself through his clothes, everyone would still have found it disgusting because it was done in public.

    When I was in High School, all the boys in my year avoided this one boy because he constantly rearranged himself.

    No one ever high-fived him or shook his hand. This boy was a campus heartthrob, owing to his athletic skills, but the boys couldn't stand him and called him kamboy, short for kambiyo boy, whenever the girls were out of earshot (kambiyo means to shift gears). The girls in my year still don't know about this (it's been 15 years since we graduated), and I only know because I was one of the boys and witnessed everything myself. I can honestly say that "shifting gears" is one UK practice I will never stop being grossed out by. They're called private parts for a reason.

    2. Waste and a "disposable" attitude, and what is it with the aversion to old things?

    I'm sure you all know that Filipinos cook enough to have leftovers. We do this so that if someone drops by unexpectedly, we have enough food to share, and so that we can have leftovers the next day. From what I've seen here in the UK, anything that isn't eaten the first time around is thrown away. When my husband and I lived with my in-laws, it was a constant struggle to keep my food from being thrown away because "it's been on the counter for two hours". Bread was thrown away because someone accidentally microwaved it for more than 20 seconds. Any food that was getting close to its Best By date was thrown away, regardless of its actual condition. Even Spanish chorizo was thrown away because of the Best By date despite the fact that the damn sausage had been cured without refrigeration for much longer than the one week I had it in the fridge.

    The waste I've seen doesn't stop at food. I had to fight tooth and nail to get my in-laws' 12-year-old leather sofas because my mother-in-law flatly refused to give them to me and insisted that they were going straight to the tip. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the sofas that leather cleaner and conditioner, and a needle wouldn't fix. Her excuse for mocking my desperate pleadings was that the sofas were old and she would never in a million years give me anything old. This still doesn't make sense as she goes to car boot sales every week and buys us junk that we neither want nor need but that she foists on us anyway. In any case, I've had to give up on her beautiful dining set that she really did take straight to the tip just because it was old. Fortunately for me and the sofas, my father-in-law spoke up for me and said I could have them. He doesn't need to know how many times I cried over the potential loss of good leather (my dad used to tan lambskin and sheepskin from our livestock, and my family has always had a thing for leather).

    3. Bragging about "we invented the English language" while not being able to speak or spell the language

    My in-laws, mostly the ones in the older generations, enjoy teasing me about my "American pronunciation". I usually have to hold my tongue and let them have their fun because as a Filipina, I'd feel terrible talking back to my elders. However, it really grates on me that the people who pick on me the most seem to have terrible diction, no clue about grammar, and worse pronunciation than even FOB Filipinos. It takes me one to two seconds to understand when people say things like "lickle" (little), "me moom" (my Mum), "'e were at the market" (He was at the market), "we was outdoors" (We were outdoors), "'e learned me me numbers" (He taught me my numbers), and "give it me" (Give it to me), to name a few. As annoying as the lack of proper grammar is, it's even worse when I get laughed at for not understanding people the first time.

    The teasing has lessened since I decided to correct people's assumptions when they told me "aluminium" was the correct way to say the word and "aluminum" was the stupid American way. (Aluminum was the name the scientist who discovered the element gave it, but other people later decided to change the name to aluminium because aluminum didn't match the popular nomenclature trend of giving elements names that ended in -ium.) I guess it also helped that I've been passive-aggressively commenting to my in-laws about the terrible English of strangers I encounter while out and about.

    4. Lack of knowledge regarding health

    Twice during my pregnancy, my mother-in-law insisted that I sleep in the same bed as my sick husband. He only had a cold, but a simple cold in the Philippines is very different from a cold in the UK. Ours don't include coughs, headaches, nausea, or achy joints. When my father-in-law suggested my husband sleep on the sofa and I told my mother-in-law that a cold would make my asthma worse, she went all "over my dead body" on everyone, and told me that viruses were just one of the things families shared. I was pregnant and had just moved over, so I had no antibodies yet for the specific strains of cold viruses my husband had. Seriously, who in their right mind forces a pregnant woman to get sick?? Maybe it's just because my family is chockful of doctors, medical workers, and scientists, but I have always known that you do not play with the health of a pregnant woman. The second time she made me sleep in the same bed as my sick husband, I actually was sick for two weeks, and I almost whipped out my credit card and bought a plane ticket home. I was this close to leaving my husband because it felt like he didn't even know his responsibility to protect his wife and child from harmful lunatics. I had already been suffering from mild asthma since I moved because I wasn't used to all the carpeting, and the nasty-ass English cold (and everything that came with it) just ensured that my breathing was even more laboured. Has the UK really not learned from the numerous outbreaks and epidemics throughout the centuries that when one person is sick, you're supposed to try to keep him from infecting others?

    5. "That's women's work", aka How to raise men to cling to women's apron strings

    In the Philippines, our women take very good care of the men. However, this does not excuse men from learning how to cook, clean, sew, and do general housework. Some men do get teased for being "under the saya", which literally translates to "under the skirt" but figuratively means "under the woman's thumb". This jest has nothing to do with the man knowing how to do housework, but everything to do with who wears the pants in the family. Now, I have just had a conversation with my husband's Nana, who confirmed my observation that boys here are not expected to help out around the house. This leads to men having absolutely no housekeeping skills. I asked Nana what happens if a bachelor loses a shirt button or needs to have a hem fixed. She just replied that he'd get his mother or some other woman to do it for him. She gave me the same answer when I asked about laundry, ironing, cooking , cleaning, and all the other things that Filipino men are expected to learn. This really strikes me as a very backward way of thinking. Why do you, the First-Worlders, have such sexist upbringings? In my family, my brother is the best sewer and the best ironer. His stitches are small and even, and when he irons, the creases are as crisp as any military uniform's. No one ever questions his masculinity just because he's also a very good cook or because when he cleans something, he always leaves it spotless. Over here though, my husband is crap at anything in the household, and isn't afraid to admit it. He can't even hold a kitchen knife properly, and when I ask him to slice something, he either uses a chopping motion (which just squashes the veg) or saws at it (which tears the meat apart). Really, why do you raise adult boys (not men) who can't do anything for themselves and who are destined to run to a woman for every little thing? Do you like being so dependent on your mothers for everything?

    6. Treating adult children as if they were minors

    Back home, if a person were at uni and still had their mother come to school to handle the enrollment or clearance paperwork, or any kind of mundane uni task, he would be teased for being a big baby who couldn't handle his own affairs. Heck, from the age of 13, I was dropped off at the school with a blank check for my tuition and told to handle my enrollment myself. None of my friends ever had their mother doing it all for them either. In contrast, my husband's auntie is currently in Newcastle and she's brought a printer and a scanner with her so she can handle all the paperwork because her 21-year-old daughter is about to finish school. Is this because of a lack of trust? Is this because you really do raise all your kids to be reliant on their mothers? Where's the self-reliance they should have learned by now?

    Aside from doing every little thing for your kids, why are the older generation so pushy? I'm 31 years old, have been earning and budgeting my own money since I was 7, and was raised to be self-reliant in and out of the house. I know my own opinions and I know what it takes to run a household efficiently.

    Unfortunately, all my older generation female in-laws seem to think I'm 6 and have no mind. I constantly have to field unsolicited advice, and I'm really starting to hate all the pushiness. My husband and I have been living in our own home since March, and at least three days in a week, I have to endure my in-laws trying to force me to arrange my house their way or do tasks their (inefficient) way. It's just the women though. I have had absolutely no trouble from the men. They seem to be resigned to letting the women have their way all the time. What is it with the women in your country treating everyone like children, and why don't the men ever speak up??

    Okay, my rant's over. I still don't get the UK. I'm not adjusting as well as I'd like to. My family back home is livid that I'm "being poisoned" and am being treated like a child. I really want to know whether all these things are a UK thing, or that I just have weird in-laws, or that these are a Northwest England thing.

    Can anyone shed some light on some of the cultural differences I've just mentioned? I'm really missing home because all I can see about the people here are that they are unsanitary, cross-contaminating, wasteful, pushy, and their ideas about health are stuck in the Dark Ages. Still can't believe I'm the Third-Worlder and I'm the only one who seems to see the problem.


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    Some interesting topics

    The American accent grates on me a lot = sorry I cant ignore it

    You became ill eating a sandwich if I ever eat Balut I am sure I would be on the toilet for a week

    Different bugs and germs in different parts of the world maybe Street food in Thailand makes me sick but the locals can eat it all day long

    As for the filthy person who rearranged his genitals and then stuck his hand in the ice bucket
    I would have told him directly to go and wash his hands because he has just put them down his trousers
    Personal hygiene has no international borders = its down to the person not what country they come from

    We normally treat adults like children if they behave like children surely thats the same the world over

    If your in laws irritate you then simply tell them to butt out

    The sofa was worn out thats why they would not let you have it = springs no good diba

    Ok you were pregnant but not wanting to sleep in the same bed as your husband sounds a bit strange
    A cold wont kill you and for sure you will catch that cold when he sneezes anyway
    Do you really think that by sleeping in a different bed would have meant that you would not catch his cold
    You live with him and he has a cold so 99% of the time your going to catch it what bed you sleep in makes not
    difference
    Maybe next time your husband gets a cold you can go and live in a hotel for a week........
    Go to your doctor and get a asthma pump........

    What happens in the Philippines when a lalaki get a cold where does he sleep?

    Yes I am useless in the kitchen as well and as for ironing I hate it
    But then we would not expect you to do any building work or service the car

    You dont like carpet either.....when I am in the Phills i actually look for hotels that have a nice carpet

    Enjoy you rants anyway keep them coming


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    I think a lot of what you're describing is a regional thing, especially the pronunciation. However, you are incorrect on the origins of aluminium:-


    "Etymology/nomenclature history
    The earliest citation given in the Oxford English Dictionary for any word used as a name for this element is alumium, which Humphry Davy employed in 1808 for the metal he was trying to isolate electrolytically from the mineral alumina. The citation is from his journal Philosophical Transactions: "Had I been so fortunate as..to have procured the metallic substances I was in search of, I should have proposed for them the names of silicium, alumium, zirconium, and glucium." [11]

    By 1812, Davy had settled on aluminum, which, as other sources note, matches its Latin root. He wrote in the journal Chemical Philosophy: "As yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state."[12] But the same year, an anonymous contributor to the Quarterly Review, a British political-literary journal, objected to aluminum and proposed the name aluminium, "for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound." [13]

    The -ium suffix had the advantage of conforming to the precedent set in other newly discovered elements of the period: potassium, sodium, magnesium, calcium, and strontium (all of which Davy had isolated himself). Nevertheless, -um spellings for elements were not unknown at the time, as for example platinum, known to Europeans since the 16th century, molybdenum, discovered in 1778, and tantalum, discovered in 1802.

    Americans adopted -ium for most of the 19th century, with aluminium appearing in Webster's Dictionary of 1828. In 1892, however, Charles Martin Hall used the -um spelling in an advertising handbill for his new electrolytic method of producing the metal, despite his constant use of the -ium spelling in all the patents he filed between 1886 and 1903. Hall's domination of production of the metal ensured that the spelling aluminum became the standard in North America; the Webster Unabridged Dictionary of 1913, though, continued to use the -ium version.

    In 1926, the American Chemical Society officially decided to use aluminum in its publications; American dictionaries typically label the spelling aluminium as a British variant"
    Source:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#S...


    Some other things I agree with though, especially the food wastage. I think you'll have to compromise on the hygiene thing though, washing hands and not 'shifting gears' is one thing but putting a carrier bag on a work surface and separate rooms after you've already been exposed to his coughs and sneezes is a bit too much.

    The leather issue was more of a personal one I think, but we live in a disposable society and a lot of these things are treated as a throw away items, and after 12 years of use when it's looking a bit tired we replace with new.

    Not really sure about how to treat the family issues, but their attitude seems typically northern (sorry to any northerners ) maybe even Victorian. You could try playing them at their own game and tell them that you're the woman of the house now and you'll run it as you want to

    Carpets? Surely that's something you can understand, think how cold it would be without them during the winter months


    Hope you feel more at home soon Come and have a good rant anytime, it's good to get these things out in the open


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    Quote Originally Posted by dontpushme View Post
    This is nothing personal and if I hit a little close to home, I'd love to hear your thoughts on why I'm justifiably wrong to feel the way I do.

    I just moved to the UK in September 2013, and at the moment, I'm finding the culture shock a bit more than what I experienced when I moved to the US. I don't really know whether what I've seen so far are of the English culture, or local culture, or whatever. Forgive me for ranting, but I've been holding this all in for months, and I have been alone in this country with noone who understands where I'm coming from. I'd appreciate your input on a few topics.

    1. Sanitation/hygiene (or the severe lack thereof)
    Why do you use spit to 'clean' a smudge off skin or objects? No hand-washing, no regard for the millions of bacteria in each person's mouth, no regard for the millions of bacteria on the shoe that was just rubbed with spit.
    Why don't people wash hands after using the toilet or before touching food, or after touching raw meat?
    Why do people push crumbs or spilled food from the table directly on to the floor, disregarding how sticky the floor will get?
    Why do people put shopping bags directly on the ground, then put them directly on the kitchen counters where you also directly prepare sandwiches and salads? I actually ended up in an ambulance and spending the night at the hospital because of the filthy food I've had to eat (couldn't refuse the sandwich without looking rude). I guess violently expelling everything in my GI tract was better than my baby getting deformed or even dying because of the nasty contaminated food. I've never been that sick before, despite coming from a farm (with no running water) in Bicol.

    2. Speaking of hygiene, please don't "shift gears"
    Why, oh why, do men constantly rearrange their junk??? It's disgusting and rude, and highly offensive. I can't believe the number of people I see doing this in public! Even my sister complained about this. Her office in Manila recently had an English visitor. Everyone treated the man warmly and he went out drinking with my sister's team, composed mainly of men, a few times. They let him pour everyone's shots, and shared their bar snacks with him. To everyone's extreme disgust, the last drinking night before he left, he reached into his pants, rearranged himself, and then sniffed his hand. My sister immediately commandeered the ice bucket so he wouldn't touch the tongs again, someone else took over the bottle of whatever alcohol they were drinking, and there were horrified looks exchanged all around the oblivious visitor. After a minute or so, the one gay person in the group managed to ask the guy to please go to the toilet next time he wanted to rearrange himself as it just wasn't acceptable in the Philippines to do it in public. The man had the gall to joke that sometimes men just needed to rearrange because they were sweaty and itchy. The next day, at the airport, my sister just waved goodbye instead of shaking his hand. Unfortunately for all the men in her team, they couldn't escape his handshake. As soon as the man had walked away and was out of earshot, every last one of them doused everything he had touched in rubbing alcohol. That is how revolting we Filipinos find crotch-grabbing. I know that even if the guy had rearranged himself through his clothes, everyone would still have found it disgusting because it was done in public. When I was in high school, all the boys in my year avoided this one boy because he constantly rearranged himself. Noone ever high-fived him or shook his hand. This boy was a campus heartthrob, owing to his athletic skills, but the boys couldn't stand him and called him kamboy, short for kambiyo boy, whenever the girls were out of earshot (kambiyo means to shift gears). The girls in my year still don't know about this (it's been 15 years since we graduated), and I only know because I was one of the boys and witnessed everything myself. I can honestly say that "shifting gears" is one UK practice I will never stop being grossed out by. They're called private parts for a reason.

    2. Waste and a "disposable" attitude, and what is it with the aversion to old things?
    I'm sure you all know that Filipinos cook enough to have leftovers. We do this so that if someone drops by unexpectedly, we have enough food to share, and so that we can have leftovers the next day. From what I've seen here in the UK, anything that isn't eaten the first time around is thrown away. When my husband and I lived with my in-laws, it was a constant struggle to keep my food from being thrown away because "it's been on the counter for two hours". Bread was thrown away because someone accidentally microwaved it for more than 20 seconds. Any food that was getting close to its Best By date was thrown away, regardless of its actual condition. Even Spanish chorizo was thrown away because of the Best By date despite the fact that the damn sausage had been cured without refrigeration for much longer than the one week I had it in the fridge.
    The waste I've seen doesn't stop at food. I had to fight tooth and nail to get my in-laws' 12-year-old leather sofas because my mother-in-law flatly refused to give them to me and insisted that they were going straight to the tip. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the sofas that leather cleaner and conditioner, and a needle wouldn't fix. Her excuse for mocking my desperate pleadings was that the sofas were old and she would never in a million years give me anything old. This still doesn't make sense as she goes to car boot sales every week and buys us junk that we neither want nor need but that she foists on us anyway. In any case, I've had to give up on her beautiful dining set that she really did take straight to the tip just because it was old. Fortunately for me and the sofas, my father-in-law spoke up for me and said I could have them. He doesn't need to know how many times I cried over the potential loss of good leather (my dad used to tan lambskin and sheepskin from our livestock, and my family has always had a thing for leather).

    3. Bragging about "we invented the English language" while not being able to speak or spell the language
    My in-laws, mostly the ones in the older generations, enjoy teasing me about my "American pronunciation". I usually have to hold my tongue and let them have their fun because as a Filipina, I'd feel terrible talking back to my elders. However, it really grates on me that the people who pick on me the most seem to have terrible diction, no clue about grammar, and worse pronunciation than even FOB Filipinos. It takes me one to two seconds to understand when people say things like "lickle" (little), "me moom" (my Mum), "'e were at the market" (He was at the market), "we was outdoors" (We were outdoors), "'e learned me me numbers" (He taught me my numbers), and "give it me" (Give it to me), to name a few. As annoying as the lack of proper grammar is, it's even worse when I get laughed at for not understanding people the first time.
    The teasing has lessened since I decided to correct people's assumptions when they told me "aluminium" was the correct way to say the word and "aluminum" was the stupid American way. (Aluminum was the name the scientist who discovered the element gave it, but other people later decided to change the name to aluminium because aluminum didn't match the popular nomenclature trend of giving elements names that ended in -ium.) I guess it also helped that I've been passive-aggressively commenting to my in-laws about the terrible English of strangers I encounter while out and about.

    4. Lack of knowledge regarding health
    Twice during my pregnancy, my mother-in-law insisted that I sleep in the same bed as my sick husband. He only had a cold, but a simple cold in the Philippines is very different from a cold in the UK. Ours don't include coughs, headaches, nausea, or achy joints. When my father-in-law suggested my husband sleep on the sofa and I told my mother-in-law that a cold would make my asthma worse, she went all "over my dead body" on everyone, and told me that viruses were just one of the things families shared. I was pregnant and had just moved over, so I had no antibodies yet for the specific strains of cold viruses my husband had. Seriously, who in their right mind forces a pregnant woman to get sick?? Maybe it's just because my family is chockful of doctors, medical workers, and scientists, but I have always known that you do not play with the health of a pregnant woman. The second time she made me sleep in the same bed as my sick husband, I actually was sick for two weeks, and I almost whipped out my credit card and bought a plane ticket home. I was thisclose to leaving my husband because it felt like he didn't even know his responsibility to protect his wife and child from harmful lunatics. I had already been suffering from mild asthma since I moved because I wasn't used to all the carpeting, and the nasty-ass English cold (and everything that came with it) just ensured that my breathing was even more laboured. Has the UK really not learned from the numerous outbreaks and epidemics throughout the centuries that when one person is sick, you're supposed to try to keep him from infecting others?

    4. "That's women's work", aka How to raise men to cling to women's apron strings
    In the Philippines, our women take very good care of the men. However, this does not excuse men from learning how to cook, clean, sew, and do general housework. Some men do get teased for being "under the saya", which literally translates to "under the skirt" but figuratively means "under the woman's thumb". This jest has nothing to do with the man knowing how to do housework, but everything to do with who wears the pants in the family. Now, I have just had a conversation with my husband's Nana, who confirmed my observation that boys here are not expected to help out around the house. This leads to men having absolutely no housekeeping skills. I asked Nana what happens if a bachelor loses a shirt button or needs to have a hem fixed. She just replied that he'd get his mother or some other woman to do it for him. She gave me the same answer when I asked about laundry, ironing, cooking , cleaning, and all the other things that Filipino men are expected to learn. This really strikes me as a very backward way of thinking. Why do you, the First-Worlders, have such sexist upbringings? In my family, my brother is the best sewer and the best ironer. His stitches are small and even, and when he irons, the creases are as crisp as any military uniform's. Noone ever questions his masculinity just because he's also a very good cook or because when he cleans something, he always leaves it spotless. Over here though, my husband is crap at anything in the household, and isn't afraid to admit it. He can't even hold a kitchen knife properly, and when I ask him to slice something, he either uses a chopping motion (which just squashes the veg) or saws at it (which tears the meat apart). Really, why do you raise adult boys (not men) who can't do anything for themselves and who are destined to run to a woman for every little thing? Do you like being so dependent on your mothers for everything?

    6. Treating adult children as if they were minors
    Back home, if a person were at uni and still had their mother come to school to handle the enrollment or clearance paperwork, or any kind of mundane uni task, he would be teased for being a big baby who couldn't handle his own affairs. Heck, from the age of 13, I was dropped off at the school with a blank check for my tuition and told to handle my enrollment myself. None of my friends ever had their mother doing it all for them either. In contrast, my husband's auntie is currently in Newcastle and she's brought a printer and a scanner with her so she can handle all the paperwork because her 21-year-old daughter is about to finish school. Is this because of a lack of trust? Is this because you really do raise all your kids to be reliant on their mothers? Where's the self-reliance they should have learned by now?
    Aside from doing every little thing for your kids, why are the older generation so pushy? I'm 31 years old, have been earning and budgeting my own money since I was 7, and was raised to be self-reliant in and out of the house. I know my own opinions and I know what it takes to run a household efficiently. Unfortunately, all my older generation female in-laws seem to think I'm 6 and have no mind. I constantly have to field unsolicited advice, and I'm really starting to hate all the pushiness. My husband and I have been living in our own home since March, and at least three days in a week, I have to endure my in-laws trying to force me to arrange my house their way or do tasks their (inefficient) way. It's just the women though. I have had absolutely no trouble from the men. They seem to be resigned to letting the women have their way all the time. What is it with the women in your country treating everyone like children, and why don't the men ever speak up??

    Okay, my rant's over. I still don't get the UK. I'm not adjusting as well as I'd like to. My family back home is livid that I'm "being poisoned" and am being treated like a child. I really want to know whether all these things are a UK thing, or that I just have weird in-laws, or that these are a Northwest England thing. Can anyone shed some light on some of the cultural differences I've just mentioned? I'm really missing home because all I can see about the people here are that they are unsanitary, cross-contaminating, wasteful, pushy, and their ideas about health are stuck in the Dark Ages. Still can't believe I'm the Third-Worlder and I'm the only one who seems to see the problem.
    The best post I've ever read on this forum, really good read. Also, I agree with almost everything that is said. I will come back with my comments later, as have no time at the moment.

    Great stuff Dontpushme, keep it coming!


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    Long post. As for hygiene, I don't think what you've posted applies to most people. I'm sure by far most of us wash our hands after going to the toilet. As for you getting ill here, did you ever get ill from dodgy food in the Phils

    I once had a drink in the Phils a cherry type slush drink, I'd never been so ill in my life. From that day, I don't drink anything unless its straight out of a bottle in the Phils. Of course, I've eaten a few things here that made me ill, but its very rare.

    Next, when I've been in the Phils, by far most places don't cover the food and I think the flies get more of it than us. Many years ago when I was at college, I used to sit next to a poster of a fly, and it explained how they eat their food. I'm sure I don't have to tell you

    Sorry, but I'm seeing thing differently from you

    Anyway, gotta go off to take the kids to that dodgy place called Blackpool
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontpushme View Post
    This is nothing personal and if I hit a little close to home, I'd love to hear your thoughts on why I'm justifiably wrong to feel the way I do.

    I just moved to the UK in September 2013, and at the moment, I'm finding the culture shock a bit more than what I experienced when I moved to the US. I don't really know whether what I've seen so far are of the English culture, or local culture, or whatever. Forgive me for ranting, but I've been holding this all in for months, and I have been alone in this country with noone who understands where I'm coming from. I'd appreciate your input on a few topics.

    1. Sanitation/hygiene (or the severe lack thereof)
    Why do you use spit to 'clean' a smudge off skin or objects? No hand-washing, no regard for the millions of bacteria in each person's mouth, no regard for the millions of bacteria on the shoe that was just rubbed with spit.
    Why don't people wash hands after using the toilet or before touching food, or after touching raw meat?
    Why do people push crumbs or spilled food from the table directly on to the floor, disregarding how sticky the floor will get?
    Why do people put shopping bags directly on the ground, then put them directly on the kitchen counters where you also directly prepare sandwiches and salads? I actually ended up in an ambulance and spending the night at the hospital because of the filthy food I've had to eat (couldn't refuse the sandwich without looking rude). I guess violently expelling everything in my GI tract was better than my baby getting deformed or even dying because of the nasty contaminated food. I've never been that sick before, despite coming from a farm (with no running water) in Bicol.

    2. Speaking of hygiene, please don't "shift gears"
    Why, oh why, do men constantly rearrange their junk??? It's disgusting and rude, and highly offensive. I can't believe the number of people I see doing this in public! Even my sister complained about this. Her office in Manila recently had an English visitor. Everyone treated the man warmly and he went out drinking with my sister's team, composed mainly of men, a few times. They let him pour everyone's shots, and shared their bar snacks with him. To everyone's extreme disgust, the last drinking night before he left, he reached into his pants, rearranged himself, and then sniffed his hand. My sister immediately commandeered the ice bucket so he wouldn't touch the tongs again, someone else took over the bottle of whatever alcohol they were drinking, and there were horrified looks exchanged all around the oblivious visitor. After a minute or so, the one gay person in the group managed to ask the guy to please go to the toilet next time he wanted to rearrange himself as it just wasn't acceptable in the Philippines to do it in public. The man had the gall to joke that sometimes men just needed to rearrange because they were sweaty and itchy. The next day, at the airport, my sister just waved goodbye instead of shaking his hand. Unfortunately for all the men in her team, they couldn't escape his handshake. As soon as the man had walked away and was out of earshot, every last one of them doused everything he had touched in rubbing alcohol. That is how revolting we Filipinos find crotch-grabbing. I know that even if the guy had rearranged himself through his clothes, everyone would still have found it disgusting because it was done in public. When I was in high school, all the boys in my year avoided this one boy because he constantly rearranged himself. Noone ever high-fived him or shook his hand. This boy was a campus heartthrob, owing to his athletic skills, but the boys couldn't stand him and called him kamboy, short for kambiyo boy, whenever the girls were out of earshot (kambiyo means to shift gears). The girls in my year still don't know about this (it's been 15 years since we graduated), and I only know because I was one of the boys and witnessed everything myself. I can honestly say that "shifting gears" is one UK practice I will never stop being grossed out by. They're called private parts for a reason.

    2. Waste and a "disposable" attitude, and what is it with the aversion to old things?
    I'm sure you all know that Filipinos cook enough to have leftovers. We do this so that if someone drops by unexpectedly, we have enough food to share, and so that we can have leftovers the next day. From what I've seen here in the UK, anything that isn't eaten the first time around is thrown away. When my husband and I lived with my in-laws, it was a constant struggle to keep my food from being thrown away because "it's been on the counter for two hours". Bread was thrown away because someone accidentally microwaved it for more than 20 seconds. Any food that was getting close to its Best By date was thrown away, regardless of its actual condition. Even Spanish chorizo was thrown away because of the Best By date despite the fact that the damn sausage had been cured without refrigeration for much longer than the one week I had it in the fridge.
    The waste I've seen doesn't stop at food. I had to fight tooth and nail to get my in-laws' 12-year-old leather sofas because my mother-in-law flatly refused to give them to me and insisted that they were going straight to the tip. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the sofas that leather cleaner and conditioner, and a needle wouldn't fix. Her excuse for mocking my desperate pleadings was that the sofas were old and she would never in a million years give me anything old. This still doesn't make sense as she goes to car boot sales every week and buys us junk that we neither want nor need but that she foists on us anyway. In any case, I've had to give up on her beautiful dining set that she really did take straight to the tip just because it was old. Fortunately for me and the sofas, my father-in-law spoke up for me and said I could have them. He doesn't need to know how many times I cried over the potential loss of good leather (my dad used to tan lambskin and sheepskin from our livestock, and my family has always had a thing for leather).

    3. Bragging about "we invented the English language" while not being able to speak or spell the language
    My in-laws, mostly the ones in the older generations, enjoy teasing me about my "American pronunciation". I usually have to hold my tongue and let them have their fun because as a Filipina, I'd feel terrible talking back to my elders. However, it really grates on me that the people who pick on me the most seem to have terrible diction, no clue about grammar, and worse pronunciation than even FOB Filipinos. It takes me one to two seconds to understand when people say things like "lickle" (little), "me moom" (my Mum), "'e were at the market" (He was at the market), "we was outdoors" (We were outdoors), "'e learned me me numbers" (He taught me my numbers), and "give it me" (Give it to me), to name a few. As annoying as the lack of proper grammar is, it's even worse when I get laughed at for not understanding people the first time.
    The teasing has lessened since I decided to correct people's assumptions when they told me "aluminium" was the correct way to say the word and "aluminum" was the stupid American way. (Aluminum was the name the scientist who discovered the element gave it, but other people later decided to change the name to aluminium because aluminum didn't match the popular nomenclature trend of giving elements names that ended in -ium.) I guess it also helped that I've been passive-aggressively commenting to my in-laws about the terrible English of strangers I encounter while out and about.

    4. Lack of knowledge regarding health
    Twice during my pregnancy, my mother-in-law insisted that I sleep in the same bed as my sick husband. He only had a cold, but a simple cold in the Philippines is very different from a cold in the UK. Ours don't include coughs, headaches, nausea, or achy joints. When my father-in-law suggested my husband sleep on the sofa and I told my mother-in-law that a cold would make my asthma worse, she went all "over my dead body" on everyone, and told me that viruses were just one of the things families shared. I was pregnant and had just moved over, so I had no antibodies yet for the specific strains of cold viruses my husband had. Seriously, who in their right mind forces a pregnant woman to get sick?? Maybe it's just because my family is chockful of doctors, medical workers, and scientists, but I have always known that you do not play with the health of a pregnant woman. The second time she made me sleep in the same bed as my sick husband, I actually was sick for two weeks, and I almost whipped out my credit card and bought a plane ticket home. I was thisclose to leaving my husband because it felt like he didn't even know his responsibility to protect his wife and child from harmful lunatics. I had already been suffering from mild asthma since I moved because I wasn't used to all the carpeting, and the nasty-ass English cold (and everything that came with it) just ensured that my breathing was even more laboured. Has the UK really not learned from the numerous outbreaks and epidemics throughout the centuries that when one person is sick, you're supposed to try to keep him from infecting others?

    4. "That's women's work", aka How to raise men to cling to women's apron strings
    In the Philippines, our women take very good care of the men. However, this does not excuse men from learning how to cook, clean, sew, and do general housework. Some men do get teased for being "under the saya", which literally translates to "under the skirt" but figuratively means "under the woman's thumb". This jest has nothing to do with the man knowing how to do housework, but everything to do with who wears the pants in the family. Now, I have just had a conversation with my husband's Nana, who confirmed my observation that boys here are not expected to help out around the house. This leads to men having absolutely no housekeeping skills. I asked Nana what happens if a bachelor loses a shirt button or needs to have a hem fixed. She just replied that he'd get his mother or some other woman to do it for him. She gave me the same answer when I asked about laundry, ironing, cooking , cleaning, and all the other things that Filipino men are expected to learn. This really strikes me as a very backward way of thinking. Why do you, the First-Worlders, have such sexist upbringings? In my family, my brother is the best sewer and the best ironer. His stitches are small and even, and when he irons, the creases are as crisp as any military uniform's. Noone ever questions his masculinity just because he's also a very good cook or because when he cleans something, he always leaves it spotless. Over here though, my husband is crap at anything in the household, and isn't afraid to admit it. He can't even hold a kitchen knife properly, and when I ask him to slice something, he either uses a chopping motion (which just squashes the veg) or saws at it (which tears the meat apart). Really, why do you raise adult boys (not men) who can't do anything for themselves and who are destined to run to a woman for every little thing? Do you like being so dependent on your mothers for everything?

    6. Treating adult children as if they were minors
    Back home, if a person were at uni and still had their mother come to school to handle the enrollment or clearance paperwork, or any kind of mundane uni task, he would be teased for being a big baby who couldn't handle his own affairs. Heck, from the age of 13, I was dropped off at the school with a blank check for my tuition and told to handle my enrollment myself. None of my friends ever had their mother doing it all for them either. In contrast, my husband's auntie is currently in Newcastle and she's brought a printer and a scanner with her so she can handle all the paperwork because her 21-year-old daughter is about to finish school. Is this because of a lack of trust? Is this because you really do raise all your kids to be reliant on their mothers? Where's the self-reliance they should have learned by now?
    Aside from doing every little thing for your kids, why are the older generation so pushy? I'm 31 years old, have been earning and budgeting my own money since I was 7, and was raised to be self-reliant in and out of the house. I know my own opinions and I know what it takes to run a household efficiently. Unfortunately, all my older generation female in-laws seem to think I'm 6 and have no mind. I constantly have to field unsolicited advice, and I'm really starting to hate all the pushiness. My husband and I have been living in our own home since March, and at least three days in a week, I have to endure my in-laws trying to force me to arrange my house their way or do tasks their (inefficient) way. It's just the women though. I have had absolutely no trouble from the men. They seem to be resigned to letting the women have their way all the time. What is it with the women in your country treating everyone like children, and why don't the men ever speak up??

    Okay, my rant's over. I still don't get the UK. I'm not adjusting as well as I'd like to. My family back home is livid that I'm "being poisoned" and am being treated like a child. I really want to know whether all these things are a UK thing, or that I just have weird in-laws, or that these are a Northwest England thing. Can anyone shed some light on some of the cultural differences I've just mentioned? I'm really missing home because all I can see about the people here are that they are unsanitary, cross-contaminating, wasteful, pushy, and their ideas about health are stuck in the Dark Ages. Still can't believe I'm the Third-Worlder and I'm the only one who seems to see the problem.
    Really enjoyed reading the above! But please don't think all us English are the same. On "shifting gears", I agree it's disgusting and annoys me when I see so many younger men doing this in public. "Waste and leftovers", I must admit I have learnt from my Filipina wife that food often tastes a lot better the second day and now throw out as little as possible.

    "English language" - well it did start here but like any country you will experience regional variations on how it's spoken. I suggest you tease them in return when they don't speak "The Queens English". "That's womens work" ... maybe so in some parts of the country, but I was always taught to do things myself. My first wife, however, was not like this and always insisted on doing everything for our kids...a big mistake in my eyes.
    Please be patient. We are not all the same as you no doubt will find out once you have been here longer.


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    Congratulations on your expected baby Don’tPushMe! I'm sorry to read that you are having trouble adjusting ...... here's my view:

    No, we British are not all the same and we have different standards. There are some distinct differences living in the North and the South of the country. Local traditions are also quite different, particularly in the North, as well as language accents. (I am from the South)

    1. Food and personal hygiene are very important to me and my partner. My partner often comments about men that don’t wash their hands when they have been to the toilet, he finds it as disgusting as I do. I use food preparation boards that are dish washer proof and therefore able to be washed at high temperatures to keep any bugs at bay. I never prepare food directly onto a kitchen work surface, that’s asking for trouble.

    2. I can’t say that I have ever really noticed anyone re-arranging “their bits” in public, it’s not done in the places and circle I frequent. There’s no way that I would have shaken that dirty guy's hand either! Like you, I am reluctant to share a bed with my partner when he has a cold. I don’t want it and would prefer to sleep in another room.

    3. Although I do freeze portions of home cooked food immediately as soon as they have cooled, I am guilty of throwing out food after the sell by date as well as scraps and I also over-buy. I know it’s a waste of money and partly down to changing plans for meals, etc. I’d sooner give unwanted furniture away and usually donate it to the British Heart Foundation charity who will only accept items in good condition but I haven’t got anything old and battered in my home. Your mother-in-law was probably too embarrassed to give you her old furniture. I have never bought second hand goods for myself or anyone else.

    4. I’ve taught my son to cook, clean, budget, shop, garden, decorate, along with everything else in the household and if he couldn’t, I would feel I had failed as a mother. My partner is absolutely brilliant too and is very domesticated. He doesn’t enjoy cooking but can and will make some very tasty meals. There is no excuse these days. Equality and independence is very important to me.

    5. As for the behaviour of British women, I think that you’ve struck it unlucky but some of what’s being said is probably in an effort to help you. I don't know how old your female in laws are (they sound quite elderly) but would suggest that you consider sharing your thoughts and feelings very tactfully with those that are making you feel the way you do ……. Or ignoring it

    Your pregnancy hormone levels may also be affecting the way that you feel right now. I do hope that you are able to adjust to the British way of life before long and begin to enjoy it.


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    I think hygiene is different for every person. It's not something that's because of culture or race or what. Just in the Philippines alone, plenty of unhygienic people everywhere. My mum-in-law will not let me hug or kiss her in the cheeks whenever she has cold because she doesn't want me to get it. Keith would also cringe being with someone with cough/cold/or whatever virus they have whenever we see someone because he easily catches it and it buggers his health for days. One example was when we went to Singapore and he wanted to go to Mustafa Centre (a big Indian shop) because it's cheap to buy stuff there. I told him I never liked the place because it's really crowded and I hate the smell. But he insisted. That same night he had fever and it ruined our week in Singapore because he was sick the whole week.

    Another instance of hygiene related stuff is that hubby's family will always tell me how to eat cooked shrimps/prawns with shells on it. I always use my spoon and fork and would never use my hands to remove the shells because that's the way my dad has taught me (and my siblings) while growing up. They said that I'm doing it wrong and should use my hands to remove the shells, but I have never change the way I eat. My dad never liked it whenever we used our bare hands while eating. He says it's unhygienic. In the Philippines, you will always see someone using just their hands to eat (nagkakamay), but my dad refused to do the same (although my siblings and I know how to). So, hygiene is definitely not the same for everybody.

    The English language, well it really did originate from the English people. You can't contest about it. I used to get lots of comments about my "American" English accent too, but these people also appreciate that they can clearly understand me, being a foreigner to them. My hubby and I had always had silly exchanges of how I say it and how it should be pronounced or spelled according to him. But I always take it as a new knowledge rather than get offended by it. Accents also play a big role in how the people here in the UK speak. Also, you will notice that a lot of the youngsters are the ones who don't really appreciate how they talk, spell, or what. Mind you, Filipinos are way more critical than the British when it comes to language.

    Treating adults as child, well definitely a family way rather than culture and race. My hubby does and knows a lot, but are restricted because of his health. My in-laws hated it when their grand kids are useless, especially when it comes to money. Keith's kids are living with their mum and they didn't get the proper upbringing when it comes to education, money, work and other stuff. Why? Because it's how they've seen it and got accustomed to while living with their mum. And my mum-in-law has always pointed that out to me because she said it will not be the case if they lived with them..hahaha..

    You see, if you will really be critical of the people and lifestyle here in the UK, you will notice every single thing. I was like that at first (particularly the way family relationships, which I found not very the same in the Philippines). But then, I got to think that there are people/lifestyle/manners like that in the Philippines and other countries as well, that made me stop being that critical and resisting the changes that I'm encountering. Life is too short to be bothered with all the changes that won't always conform me. If it's not a matter of life and death, then I couldn't be bothered.
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    Excellent post, Rayna!


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    Nit picking and applying it to everyone


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie1958 View Post
    Excellent post, Rayna!
    Thanks Rosie (and for the rep ).

    I'm doing well, by the way..enjoying this sunny weekend!
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    1. When it comes to hygiene my hubby is hygienic and so are my friends.

    2. You live with your in laws. Whether you like it or not, you have to follow them and do what they like - coz it's their house.

    3. My hubby brags about them inventing the English language but i never take it seriously. I just laugh at it. Hubby, though, is good at spelling and grammar and he pronounces it properly.

    4. Regarding with health issues, my hubby took ill when I was pregnant but i didn't avoid him. I still insisted that he will kiss me before he goes to work or before we sleep. We are living under the same roof so I already expect that I will catch it which I haven't.

    Unfortunately, my hubby lacks of household skills. I used to wish that my hubby and my father were the same (my father knows everything) but I realised that it's unfair on my hubby's part to compare him to my father coz they are different. I knew my hubby's like that before I married him so I just stop wishing for him to change. I manage though, to teach him few things.

    6. Just tell your female in laws to stick their noses to their own business. Luckily my in laws are not like that.

    I'm sorry but we see things differently. I think you need to stop comparing ourselves to British. You need to move on and get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raynaputi View Post
    Thanks Rosie (and for the rep ).

    I'm doing well, by the way..enjoying this sunny weekend!
    Like your Avatar Rayna, it's as though you are speaking to us!


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    Wow, dontpushme, what a long post.

    It got me comparing your findings with my own here in Philippines.

    Hygiene, mmm, toilets or rest rooms adjoined to a kitchen with only one door to separate them. In the UK - due to health and hygiene - there must be 2 doors if entry to toilet is via a kitchen. Reheated food which was left overs from someones plate, ok not wasteful, but is that hygienic? Nothing wrong with frying up leftovers from the pan in my opinion. Is washing your backside with a scoop and your hand really hygienic? Seems to me it's just smearing germs all over your hands, then straight into the kitchen through that 1 door !

    Guys here just pee anywhere, is that hygienic? Open drains, is that smell hygenic?

    I accept the way it is here. After all, I'm living in in a country as a foreigner, and I believe the saying, when in Rome live as the Romans do - not literaly, but it's a good guidline.

    Yes, I can relate to young guys growing up who depend too much on women, spoilt by their mothers.

    But you know, not everyone is the same, and for those guys that don't know how, what's wrong with them learning to help around the house? Can't do it is just an excuse.

    Great post of yours and I'm not knocking what you say. But I think every country - every part of each country - has its faults as far as peoples manners are concerned. I love the people here in Phil, so friendly and welcoming


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    Quote Originally Posted by imagine View Post
    guys here just pee anywhere, is that hygenic? open drains,is that smell hygenic,
    Even this sign found on every street corner doesn't put them off



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    Quote Originally Posted by RicIre View Post
    Even this sign found on every street corner doesn't put them off



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    Quote Originally Posted by imagine View Post
    This should solve the problem



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    Quote Originally Posted by RicIre View Post
    Even this sign found on every street corner doesn't put them off

    Superb pic - I wonder if the lagered up, rogue Brit scratching his meat & 2 veg used the gents or went in the street


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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Manila View Post
    Some interesting topics

    The American accent grates on me a lot = sorry i cant ignore it

    You became ill eating a sandwich if i ever eat Balut i am sure i would be on the toilet for a week

    Different bugs and germs in different parts of the world maybe Street food in Thailand makes me sick but the locals can eat it all day long

    As for the filthy person who rearranged his genitals and then stuck his hand in the ice bucket
    I would have told him directly to go and wash his hands because he has just put them down his trousers
    Personal hygiene has no international borders = its down to the person not what country they come from

    We normally treat adults like children if they behave like children surely thats the same the world over

    If your in laws irritate you then simply tell them to butt out

    The sofa was worn out thats why they would not let you have it = springs no good diba

    Ok you were pregnant but not wanting to sleep in the same bed as your husband sounds a bit strange
    A cold wont kill you and for sure you will catch that cold when he sneezes anyway
    Do you really think that by sleeping in a different bed would have meant that you would not catch his cold
    You live with him and he has a cold so 99% of the time your going to catch it what bed you sleep in makes not
    difference
    Maybe next time your husband gets a cold you can go and live in a hotel for a week........
    Go to your doctor and get a asthma pump........

    What happens in the Philippines when a lalaki get a cold where does he sleep?

    Yes i am useless in the kitchen as well and as for ironing i hate it
    But then we would not expect you to do any building work or service the car

    You dont like carpet either.....when i am in the Phills i actually look for hotels that have a nice carpet

    Enjoy you rants anyway keep them coming
    Op should re-title it to "I hate my in-laws and my husband doesn't care" and post it to http://ihatemyinlaws.com/


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    Wow what a post
    I'm lost for words


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    FAO The Originator of This Thread

    ... 'fraid I don't know your Christian name in order to be able to address you by it. But can I just say, what a truly SPLENDID opening post of yours this is ... you've managed to "hit the nail on the head" in so many aspects of human nature that ought to concern each & every self~respecting individual worldwide!

    Moreover, I greatly appreciate BOTH the time and effort you've put into sharing your observations with us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by les_taxi View Post
    Wow what a post

    I'm lost for words
    that's a first

    http://www.filipinouk.com/forum/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=870&dateline=1270312908


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    Quote Originally Posted by dontpushme View Post
    This is nothing personal and if I hit a little close to home, I'd love to hear your thoughts on why I'm justifiably wrong to feel the way I do.

    I just moved to the UK in September 2013, and at the moment, I'm finding the culture shock a bit more than what I experienced when I moved to the US. I don't really know whether what I've seen so far are of the English culture, or local culture, or whatever. Forgive me for ranting, but I've been holding this all in for months, and I have been alone in this country with no one who understands where I'm coming from. I'd appreciate your input on a few topics.

    1. Sanitation/hygiene (or the severe lack thereof)

    Why do you use spit to 'clean' a smudge off skin or objects? No hand-washing, no regard for the millions of bacteria in each person's mouth, no regard for the millions of bacteria on the shoe that was just rubbed with spit.
    Why don't people wash hands after using the toilet or before touching food, or after touching raw meat?
    Why do people push crumbs or spilled food from the table directly on to the floor, disregarding how sticky the floor will get?

    Why do people put shopping bags directly on the ground, then put them directly on the kitchen counters where you also directly prepare sandwiches and salads? I actually ended up in an ambulance and spending the night at the hospital because of the filthy food I've had to eat (couldn't refuse the sandwich without looking rude). I guess violently expelling everything in my GI tract was better than my baby getting deformed or even dying because of the nasty contaminated food. I've never been that sick before, despite coming from a farm (with no running water) in Bicol.

    2. Speaking of hygiene, please don't "shift gears"

    Why, oh why, do men constantly rearrange their junk??? It's disgusting and rude, and highly offensive. I can't believe the number of people I see doing this in public! Even my sister complained about this. Her office in Manila recently had an English visitor. Everyone treated the man warmly and he went out drinking with my sister's team, composed mainly of men, a few times. They let him pour everyone's shots, and shared their bar snacks with him. To everyone's extreme disgust, the last drinking night before he left, he reached into his pants, rearranged himself, and then sniffed his hand. My sister immediately commandeered the ice bucket so he wouldn't touch the tongs again, someone else took over the bottle of whatever alcohol they were drinking, and there were horrified looks exchanged all around the oblivious visitor. After a minute or so, the one gay person in the group managed to ask the guy to please go to the toilet next time he wanted to rearrange himself as it just wasn't acceptable in the Philippines to do it in public. The man had the gall to joke that sometimes men just needed to rearrange because they were sweaty and itchy.

    The next day, at the airport, my sister just waved goodbye instead of shaking his hand.

    Unfortunately for all the men in her team, they couldn't escape his handshake. As soon as the man had walked away and was out of earshot, every last one of them doused everything he had touched in rubbing alcohol. That is how revolting we Filipinos find crotch-grabbing. I know that even if the guy had rearranged himself through his clothes, everyone would still have found it disgusting because it was done in public.

    When I was in High School, all the boys in my year avoided this one boy because he constantly rearranged himself.

    No one ever high-fived him or shook his hand. This boy was a campus heartthrob, owing to his athletic skills, but the boys couldn't stand him and called him kamboy, short for kambiyo boy, whenever the girls were out of earshot (kambiyo means to shift gears). The girls in my year still don't know about this (it's been 15 years since we graduated), and I only know because I was one of the boys and witnessed everything myself. I can honestly say that "shifting gears" is one UK practice I will never stop being grossed out by. They're called private parts for a reason.

    2. Waste and a "disposable" attitude, and what is it with the aversion to old things?

    I'm sure you all know that Filipinos cook enough to have leftovers. We do this so that if someone drops by unexpectedly, we have enough food to share, and so that we can have leftovers the next day. From what I've seen here in the UK, anything that isn't eaten the first time around is thrown away. When my husband and I lived with my in-laws, it was a constant struggle to keep my food from being thrown away because "it's been on the counter for two hours". Bread was thrown away because someone accidentally microwaved it for more than 20 seconds. Any food that was getting close to its Best By date was thrown away, regardless of its actual condition. Even Spanish chorizo was thrown away because of the Best By date despite the fact that the damn sausage had been cured without refrigeration for much longer than the one week I had it in the fridge.

    The waste I've seen doesn't stop at food. I had to fight tooth and nail to get my in-laws' 12-year-old leather sofas because my mother-in-law flatly refused to give them to me and insisted that they were going straight to the tip. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the sofas that leather cleaner and conditioner, and a needle wouldn't fix. Her excuse for mocking my desperate pleadings was that the sofas were old and she would never in a million years give me anything old. This still doesn't make sense as she goes to car boot sales every week and buys us junk that we neither want nor need but that she foists on us anyway. In any case, I've had to give up on her beautiful dining set that she really did take straight to the tip just because it was old. Fortunately for me and the sofas, my father-in-law spoke up for me and said I could have them. He doesn't need to know how many times I cried over the potential loss of good leather (my dad used to tan lambskin and sheepskin from our livestock, and my family has always had a thing for leather).

    3. Bragging about "we invented the English language" while not being able to speak or spell the language

    My in-laws, mostly the ones in the older generations, enjoy teasing me about my "American pronunciation". I usually have to hold my tongue and let them have their fun because as a Filipina, I'd feel terrible talking back to my elders. However, it really grates on me that the people who pick on me the most seem to have terrible diction, no clue about grammar, and worse pronunciation than even FOB Filipinos. It takes me one to two seconds to understand when people say things like "lickle" (little), "me moom" (my Mum), "'e were at the market" (He was at the market), "we was outdoors" (We were outdoors), "'e learned me me numbers" (He taught me my numbers), and "give it me" (Give it to me), to name a few. As annoying as the lack of proper grammar is, it's even worse when I get laughed at for not understanding people the first time.

    The teasing has lessened since I decided to correct people's assumptions when they told me "aluminium" was the correct way to say the word and "aluminum" was the stupid American way. (Aluminum was the name the scientist who discovered the element gave it, but other people later decided to change the name to aluminium because aluminum didn't match the popular nomenclature trend of giving elements names that ended in -ium.) I guess it also helped that I've been passive-aggressively commenting to my in-laws about the terrible English of strangers I encounter while out and about.

    4. Lack of knowledge regarding health

    Twice during my pregnancy, my mother-in-law insisted that I sleep in the same bed as my sick husband. He only had a cold, but a simple cold in the Philippines is very different from a cold in the UK. Ours don't include coughs, headaches, nausea, or achy joints. When my father-in-law suggested my husband sleep on the sofa and I told my mother-in-law that a cold would make my asthma worse, she went all "over my dead body" on everyone, and told me that viruses were just one of the things families shared. I was pregnant and had just moved over, so I had no antibodies yet for the specific strains of cold viruses my husband had. Seriously, who in their right mind forces a pregnant woman to get sick?? Maybe it's just because my family is chockful of doctors, medical workers, and scientists, but I have always known that you do not play with the health of a pregnant woman. The second time she made me sleep in the same bed as my sick husband, I actually was sick for two weeks, and I almost whipped out my credit card and bought a plane ticket home. I was this close to leaving my husband because it felt like he didn't even know his responsibility to protect his wife and child from harmful lunatics. I had already been suffering from mild asthma since I moved because I wasn't used to all the carpeting, and the nasty-ass English cold (and everything that came with it) just ensured that my breathing was even more laboured. Has the UK really not learned from the numerous outbreaks and epidemics throughout the centuries that when one person is sick, you're supposed to try to keep him from infecting others?

    5. "That's women's work", aka How to raise men to cling to women's apron strings

    In the Philippines, our women take very good care of the men. However, this does not excuse men from learning how to cook, clean, sew, and do general housework. Some men do get teased for being "under the saya", which literally translates to "under the skirt" but figuratively means "under the woman's thumb". This jest has nothing to do with the man knowing how to do housework, but everything to do with who wears the pants in the family. Now, I have just had a conversation with my husband's Nana, who confirmed my observation that boys here are not expected to help out around the house. This leads to men having absolutely no housekeeping skills. I asked Nana what happens if a bachelor loses a shirt button or needs to have a hem fixed. She just replied that he'd get his mother or some other woman to do it for him. She gave me the same answer when I asked about laundry, ironing, cooking , cleaning, and all the other things that Filipino men are expected to learn. This really strikes me as a very backward way of thinking. Why do you, the First-Worlders, have such sexist upbringings? In my family, my brother is the best sewer and the best ironer. His stitches are small and even, and when he irons, the creases are as crisp as any military uniform's. No one ever questions his masculinity just because he's also a very good cook or because when he cleans something, he always leaves it spotless. Over here though, my husband is crap at anything in the household, and isn't afraid to admit it. He can't even hold a kitchen knife properly, and when I ask him to slice something, he either uses a chopping motion (which just squashes the veg) or saws at it (which tears the meat apart). Really, why do you raise adult boys (not men) who can't do anything for themselves and who are destined to run to a woman for every little thing? Do you like being so dependent on your mothers for everything?

    6. Treating adult children as if they were minors

    Back home, if a person were at uni and still had their mother come to school to handle the enrollment or clearance paperwork, or any kind of mundane uni task, he would be teased for being a big baby who couldn't handle his own affairs. Heck, from the age of 13, I was dropped off at the school with a blank check for my tuition and told to handle my enrollment myself. None of my friends ever had their mother doing it all for them either. In contrast, my husband's auntie is currently in Newcastle and she's brought a printer and a scanner with her so she can handle all the paperwork because her 21-year-old daughter is about to finish school. Is this because of a lack of trust? Is this because you really do raise all your kids to be reliant on their mothers? Where's the self-reliance they should have learned by now?

    Aside from doing every little thing for your kids, why are the older generation so pushy? I'm 31 years old, have been earning and budgeting my own money since I was 7, and was raised to be self-reliant in and out of the house. I know my own opinions and I know what it takes to run a household efficiently.

    Unfortunately, all my older generation female in-laws seem to think I'm 6 and have no mind. I constantly have to field unsolicited advice, and I'm really starting to hate all the pushiness. My husband and I have been living in our own home since March, and at least three days in a week, I have to endure my in-laws trying to force me to arrange my house their way or do tasks their (inefficient) way. It's just the women though. I have had absolutely no trouble from the men. They seem to be resigned to letting the women have their way all the time. What is it with the women in your country treating everyone like children, and why don't the men ever speak up??

    Okay, my rant's over. I still don't get the UK. I'm not adjusting as well as I'd like to. My family back home is livid that I'm "being poisoned" and am being treated like a child. I really want to know whether all these things are a UK thing, or that I just have weird in-laws, or that these are a Northwest England thing.

    Can anyone shed some light on some of the cultural differences I've just mentioned? I'm really missing home because all I can see about the people here are that they are unsanitary, cross-contaminating, wasteful, pushy, and their ideas about health are stuck in the Dark Ages. Still can't believe I'm the Third-Worlder and I'm the only one who seems to see the problem.
    Damn!!!...So glad I aint married to you!!!!
    No offence huh!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dontpushme View Post
    On culture shock, horror, and disgust: Some of the emotions from which I'm still reeling...
    Everyone's entitled to a rant. Yours was an interesting and imaginatively well written and one which I really enjoyed reading....so big thanks for that.

    It's so true that there many cultural and regional differences on our planet.....we are not at all homogeneous in cultures, etiquettes and taboos.
    We need to also be 'sensitive' to the personal cultures of individuals.

    I have lived alone in many different countries, my wife and I have lived together in 3 different cultures...Philippines, Japan and UK

    We try to take everything in our stride whenever we can and we try hard not to offend or to show we are offended.
    However much we like to think we are all humans living together in a kind of 'global village' nothing could be further from the truth.

    I believe that some of things you mention (especially in terms of hygiene and 'gear shifting') comes down to an individuals poor awareness and general respect.

    Nice post and some valid points.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fred View Post
    Damn!!!...So glad I aint married to you!!!!
    No offence huh!!

    Being from the north west I'm too polite to say that Fred

    Being from the northwest, I do most of the housework and work, the misses does a bit but she works harder and longer hours than me

    When i was 11 I got my own breakfast, got dressed and walked a couple of miles to school everyday, no mummy holding my hand

    as for hygiene ..
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09...n_3948311.html

    Maybe it's taking you longer to adjust, just go easy and I'm sure things will get better for you
    http://www.filipinouk.com/forum/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=870&dateline=1270312908


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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpe View Post
    . Yours was an interesting and imaginatively well written and one which I really enjoyed reading....so big thanks for that.
    , Peter! Perfectly *written ( - *typed!) grammatically; also, punctuated and spelt ... to a highly-commendable standard that would put many native Brits to shame and, in each of those three senses,
    a rareity nowadays.


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    This rant had made Dedworth look like a pussy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    FAO The Originator of This Thread

    ... 'fraid I don't know your Christian name in order to be able to address you by it. But can I just say, what a truly SPLENDID opening post of yours this is ... you've managed to "hit the nail on the head" in so many aspects of human nature that ought to concern each & every self~respecting individual worldwide!

    Moreover, I greatly appreciate BOTH the time and effort you've put into sharing your observations with us.
    I'll second that Arthur, a remarkable young lady to say the least!


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    I enjoyed this post because as I was reading it, it was just like listening to my Maritess!


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    Right had to speak up - I disagree with nearly all the members on here praising this post

    It is well written and concise but my god, moan, moan, moan.

    If I was to complain about the Philippines I would be lambasted on here and told I don't have to go, it's my choice.

    I will mention a couple of things - one, the sanitation is disgusting, even the malls - having to rush to a proper loo in a well known mall, I was horrified to find no toilet paper anywhere and filipinos having a poo and not even washing their hands

    The food is bloody awful most of it, chickens before they are even born, stinky fish everywhere - hey lets eat it's eyes yum yum

    That's all I'm going to say as I actually love the Philippines and learnt to adapt when there. Never slagged it off!

    Generalising to that extent is over the top and it sounds to me like the lady has real issues - perhaps a bit OCD - and not willing to adapt to a new country, in laws and way of life.


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