Originally Posted by Win2Win
He said a number of times he's pro Europe, so he would delay any vote for as long as possible, but some in his party have had enough and will defect to UKIP where they will have a vote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar..._campaign=1490Backing for Ukip in Clacton is at an astonishing 64 per cent, while Tory support has crashed by 33 points.
That's how I see it Keith.
Disagree Keith. I think the Tories have learned that if they promise the vote they will HAVE to give it this time. UKIP will never get into power, their best hope is a strong influence on whoever is in power by being in coalition with them.
It is a bit like the Scots dilemma - I think the same way, that I would like to be out but financially it could set us back - it's so hard to call. The reason I want to be out tho' is - as we always talk about on here - control of our own laws, stuffing Human Rights Bill etc. and Border control.
You're wrong again Les, that's why a Tory MP has switched to UKIP, because even they don't believe him.
The thing is, the Tories are not going to be in power after the next election.
Keith - Administrator
I would like to see it happen that way Les.
Anyone remember this? http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/269...ndum-on-the-EU
Keith - Administrator
No, he is more radical than the Tories that's why.You're wrong again Les, that's why a Tory MP has switched to UKIP , because even they don't believe him.
Show me where in that headline he actually says "We'll never hold a referendum on the EU"
What he does say is this "Those are things we will be fighting for, but I don't see the case for an in out referendum on Europe.
"We are in Europe, we have got to make it work for us."
Now things have changed, being in Europe has got worse. Thanks to UKIP it's changed his hand and now he will if in power give us a vote.
That is what I want to see - times change and politicians have to offer alternatives.
He has had to change is mind - that's a good thing not bad.
Labour simply don't and won't change, and that's bad for the public
"During Prime Minister's Questions, Mr Cameron, who met with President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy this afternoon, insisted there was "no case" for a vote." - Since then he has changed his mind = U-TURN
I see nothing wrong with policy change, but Cameron has always been a staunch supporter of the EU, which is why he'd never leave it while he was in power, regardless of any vote.
Keith - Administrator
What year is it now 2014, calling Brown, but he's been in power over 4 years
He will now put it to the vote if re-elected. Labour won't - simple as that.
That will cost you many votes as it will be played on by the Tories nearer to the Election
It will cost the Tories even more votes because they will not believe him and vote UKIP
Well let's wait and see - your lot want to keep us in this cess pit of crap!
The Tories promised to get the deficit down. Yet it is bigger than ever, and the government is borrowing more than Labour did. So much for his promise, he lied to us on that.
The Tories will lose at least 500,000 votes due to the bedroom tax. Never mind the fact that government finances are in a mess, the NHS is being trashed, and people on the street have no idea why the Tories keep talking about an economic recovery.
Remember, I voted to get rid of Brown last time, this time I vote to get rid of Cameron.
One day we may get a politician in power who isn't a uselesswith his head on another planet. So, anyone who is a public school boy, and lacks a degree, will get my vote. A real person, in the real world.
Keith - Administrator
Yes the Tories really have created the cess pit we're in for the last 4 1/2 yrs
http://www.24dash.com/news/housing/2...ut-back-policyBedroom tax under threat: Lib Dem MP launches private members' bill to cut back policy
The thing is, the Tories are not going to be in power after the next election.
What odds are you offering on that Keith
4/6What odds are you offering on that Keith
It would take a major disaster for Labour, and something wonderful for the Tories for that to change between now and the election. All the polls, of different demographics, all point to Labour. If you understand how statistics work, that type of reversal is extremely rare.
Keith - Administrator
Rubbish odds for the Tories having no chance4/6
There are only 2 runnersRubbish odds for the Tories having no chance
Chelsea v MK Dons would only be around 1/4
Keith - Administrator
4/6
It would take a major disaster for Labour, and something wonderful for the Tories for that to change between now and the election. All the polls, of different demographics, all point to Labour. If you understand how statistics work, that type of reversal is extremely rare.
I can get 5/4 with Betfair
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/...ion/most-seats
Yes but one millipedes moron hopefully will be a none runner.
... can't envisage 'Little Lord Fauntleroy' as future Prime Minister, somehow.
Vote for me
Public school education, 1 'O' level in Maths, grade C GCSE in English, not doing too bad all things considered
Come on........ Simon for PM
Well ... my three forenames are Arthur James Balfour as were my Dad's. He in turn - third youngest in a family of 11 - had been called after Lord Balfour a distinguished early 20th Century Statesman, much admired by my paternal grandparents who'd [apparently] run out of names by the time of my father's birth in March 1912.Vote for me
Public school education, 1 'O' level in Maths, grade C GCSE in English, not doing too bad all things considered
Come on........ Simon for PM
That's where the "connection" ends; my CV for the job comprising:
SCE Higher Grade in English & History
SCE 'O' Grade in Arithmetic
... all attained through attendance at Evening Classes in conjunction with home study when in my 30s and worth bugger all!
Why? Because those once-coveted qualifications were ...... ten-a-penny by the 1970s and I remained a lowly penpusher throughout my entire working life.
I just checked your CV by the way. Nice job over the years!
Well now ... there's a "turn~up for the book". Just heard on the latest news that Douglas Carswell - the subject of this thread, who defected from the Tories back in 2014 to join UKIP - has since quit the latter, while hoping to be able to continue representing his existing constituency as an Independent Member of Parliament.
Probably there will be some (even many) who will readily criticise his actions. But ...
Whereas, Carswell, was keen forto withdraw from the EU. Hence, his principal (arguably, even principled) reasons for allying himself to the Party that was totally committed to UK independence from Europe.
However, as we're all aware, there's been a lot of water under the bridge since then ... not to mention more than a few surprisesalong the way!
Added to which, there seems to have been regular, ongoing spats between Carswell's own supporters and those of former UKIP Leader, *Nigel Farage - *who's now claiming Carswell "jumped ship, before he was pushed"!
So, all things considered, Carswell's move ... away from a Party he now believes to be a "spent force", is understandable given that he's confident our nation's future is secure in Theresa May's more than capable hands.
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