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    Regardless of how many watched the Independence debates, there’s much more interest now – not just in Scotland – about the outcome of the September 18 referendum.


    I’ve already made the case for exempting OUR NHS from any further changes, should there be a " Yes " vote next week. NHS systems have been different across the UK since devolution 14 years ago, but there is still union - in the sense that patients may be treated wherever is best for them without fear of cost. There are excellent healthcare workers and hospitals in all four countries .


    Nationalists have set a date of March 2016 to separate from the UK. It’s highly likely, IF there was a " Yes " vote, that this time scale is too ambitious ! Expect long and wide-ranging, probably ill-tempered, negotiations, and changes which would affect all of us .





    Robert Burns, born almost 200 years before Alex Salmond, was a Scottish Nationalist ! In the event of a " Yes " vote, I guess I will have at least 18 months to spend this note after last week’s visit to the city where I was born, studied, and worked as a young doctor – Glasgow !


    I’m no expert, and usually avoid political debate on this Forum, but it does seem that currency is one major issue to be resolved. Of the four options ( currency union with the UK; " sterlingisation " ; separate currency ; joining the euro ) many experts seem to favour union. Independence would be bad for Scotland’s economy and could disrupt the UK’s recovery.


    I can’t vote – I chose to live in England. But I very much hope that the Union will be saved. Devolution … yes ! Independence … no !


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    Most companies who do companies with the EU would have to move south to continue doing so. It will take about a decade for Scotland to qualify to join the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Win2Win View Post
    Most companies who do companies with the EU would have to move south to continue doing so. It will take about a decade for Scotland to qualify to join the EU.
    They may qualify but Spain has gone on record as saying they won,t acccept Scotland joining and they have a veto,so it will get very interesting for Salmond


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    HRH has given her opinion now, so watch this space!


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    Being kicked out the EU might not all be bad for Scotland you know. In many small communities, the fishing fleet was decimated due to EU regulations, and with all those islands (Including Rockall?), they'd control a colossal tract of sea.

    Course, Salmond always wanted an independent Scotland to join the EU - hoping they'd get huge subsidies like Ireland used to do, however that's all dried up and that gravy train hit the buffers years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iani View Post
    Being kicked out the EU might not all be bad for Scotland you know. In many small communities, the fishing fleet was decimated due to EU regulations, and with all those islands (Including Rockall?), they'd control a colossal tract of sea.
    The fishing fleet wasn't decimated by the EU, the fishing fleets decimated the stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Win2Win View Post
    The fishing fleet wasn't decimated by the EU, the fishing fleets decimated the stock.
    Also a lot of the quotas given to British fishermen ended up in Spanish hands when they sold out for the money.


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    A separate Panelbase poll for Yes Scotland, which had its groundwork take place between September 2 and 6, showed No leading 52% to 48% when undecided voters were excluded.

    http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/...ndum-campaign/
    http://www.filipinouk.com/forum/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=870&dateline=1270312908


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    Scotland: ‘Yes’ blitzkrieg wipes out ‘No’ lead

    In the past four weeks support for the union has drained away at an astonishing rate. The Yes campaign has not just invaded No territory; it has launched a blitzkrieg







    Source


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    I'm getting beside myself with worry.

    If Scotland vote for independence Britain won't have a curling team at the next winter Olympics.




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    Quote Originally Posted by fred View Post
    I'm getting beside myself with worry.

    If Scotland vote for independence Britain won't have a curling team at the next winter Olympics.




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    Quote Originally Posted by andy222 View Post

    It's a tricky one, Scotland may not have another chance like this.
    ... that's true!

    Quote Originally Posted by fred View Post
    I'm getting beside myself with worry.
    ... as well you might, Fred ... as:

    Quote Originally Posted by fred View Post
    If Scotland vote for independence Britain won't have a curling team at the next winter Olympics.
    Goodbye would most likely mean a permanent wave ... a "hair~raising" (as well as a straightforward hand~waving ) gesture ... so it's extremely doubtful the (by then former) British curling team would be too happy about that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post

    Goodbye would most likely mean a permanent wave ... a "hair~raising" (as well as a straightforward hand~waving ) gesture ... so it's extremely doubtful the (by then former) British curling team would be too happy about that!
    ..................................... ! Anyhow ... ... right now, I'm waiting [impatiently] for some bright spark to say, "hair, hair, Arthur"!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    ... that's true!



    ... as well you might, Fred ... as:



    Goodbye would most likely mean a permanent wave ... a "hair~raising" (as well as a straightforward hand~waving ) gesture ... so it's extremely doubtful the (by then former) British curling team would be too happy about that!
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    ..................................... ! Anyhow ... ... right now, I'm waiting [impatiently] for some bright spark to say, "hair, hair, Arthur"!
    Ach ...

    Since it seems my 'little''s
    Again been "lost" on a' you folks,
    Thought I'd simply pass the time
    Composing yet another rhyme
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    It's weakening sterling !


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahamw48 View Post
    It's weakening sterling !
    He may be small but Raheem's a strong lad. Nothing to worry about.


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    Salmond is drumming up the EuroTrash

    The Salmondistas cried ‘Yes’ – in nine different languages: QUENTIN LETTS with The SNP chief's East European army

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3CuFICOrL


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    Salmond is drumming up the EuroTrash

    The Salmondistas cried ‘Yes’ – in nine different languages: QUENTIN LETTS with The SNP chief's East European army

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3CuFICOrL
    how can he be a nationalist and be in bed with this lot lol without this lot he would have no chance.what they don,t realise is that lots of them will lose their jobs lol


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    So Scotland wants to be independent and yet one of the first things they want to do is to reapply to be a member of the EU so that it can be governed from Brussels!!

    Shetland and Orkney Isles will have the option to opt out, so what happens then? They are still British, and so is the oil?


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    What a total cock-up.

    8% of the UK population in Scotland.

    9%+ of UK budget currently spent on them.

    Two of their banks bailed out by the BRITISH taxpayers.

    An energy industry set up by BRITISH taxpayers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahamw48 View Post
    What a total cock-up.

    8% of the UK population in Scotland.

    9%+ of UK budget currently spent on them.

    Two of their banks bailed out by the BRITISH taxpayers.

    An energy industry set up by BRITISH taxpayers.
    Double blow for Salmond as Scottish finance giant Standard Life reveals plan to move to England as BP rubbishes SNP's North Sea oil claims and calls for 'No' vote

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3Cvju5R8C


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    Double blow for Salmond as Scottish finance giant Standard Life reveals plan to move to England as BP rubbishes SNP's North Sea oil claims and calls for 'No' vote

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3Cvju5R8C
    's nothing new ... Standard Life has long-maintained it would relocate its operations south in the event of an overwhelming 'YES'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    's nothing new ... Standard Life has long-maintained it would relocate its operations south in the event of an overwhelming 'YES'.
    Good news for people like me with some pension £'s with SL


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    The Yes voters are absolute fools, they've already got the best of both.


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    Arthur, if all goes tits-up, I for one promise to send you a food parcel .


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahamw48 View Post
    Arthur, if all goes tits-up, I for one promise to send you a food parcel .
    Could be an opportunity for an entrepreneur to set up a Balikbayan Box type operation - I can send up to 25kg next day with UK Mail for a fiver

    www.jockbox.co.uk


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    Could be an opportunity for an entrepreneur to set up a Balikbayan Box type operation - I can send up to 25kg next day with UK Mail for a fiver

    www.jockbox.co.uk
    Hahaha...good one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahamw48 View Post
    Arthur, if all goes tits-up, I for one promise to send you a food parcel .
    ... many's the true word said in jest!


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    Hmm..maybe I can get work when they re-build Hadrian's Wall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahamw48 View Post
    Hmm..maybe I can get work when they re-build Hadrian's Wall.


    's Graham and his new workmates ... nosey buggers.


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