Alan Henning killed by IS

[joebloggs]

The government has constantly used statistics for their own political ends and until recently denied the true immigration figures. they use net migration figures for their argument, despite the fact that most people leaving the country were white British taken their wealth with them to start a new life abroad where they are not allowed to be a drain on their chosen country's welfare system.

Whereas the migrants coming here had virtually nothing, were able to make use of our health service without contribution, thus straining the system so that the British were put on waiting lists that were constantly growing. They have put a strain on our housing stock creating shortages and massive property price rises that make it difficult for British children to have much hope of ever getting a place of their own.

I dont remember saying who had the highest birth rates, only the % of Muslim births in the population.

It had been documented many times in the press that a good estimate of the illegal immigrant population is around 3 million, I cant prove it, then you cant prove that its not either, because our useless politicians have lost control of the country. I can only use my eyes in the area of London I have lived for almost 68 years, Waltham Forest, capital of Londonistan.

You're talking about the gov's interpretation of figures, the stats I've posted are from the ONS. The fact is, the gov doesn't know how many people are here because they don't keep a record of who comes in or leaves

Most non Europeans who recently came to the UK would have needed to secure a work permit first - and are not allowed to claim benefits - or they came on the highly skilled migrant program where they would have needed a minimum of a Master's degree. Again, they are not able to claim benefits until they have ILR. The majority of both came to work and not to claim benefits

Now, if your talking about Europeans coming to the UK that's a different matter.

That's rubbish about 3m, scare stories from the rightwing press, the gov estimates it's a lot less than 1m. They don't know for the reasons I've just posted, but an estimate of 1m has been used by a number of groups.

I'll tell you why it's not 3m, it's estimated up to 1m Poles came to the UK. At work, we have 2 Poles working there, my child-minder minds a Polish kid. There are 3 or 4 Polish shops near me, I hear Polish spoken by school kids near me. Polish people living near me. Yet if you believe there are 3m illegals here, I take it you mean mostly from Africa, India and Pakistan I would be seeing more of these people, 3 * the number of Poles I see, yet i don't, so where are these 3m hiding ???

[Pete/London]

You're talking about the gov's interpretation of figures, the stats I've posted are from the ONS. The fact is, the gov doesn't know how many people are here because they don't keep a record of who comes in or leaves

Most non Europeans who recently came to the UK would have needed to secure a work permit first - and are not allowed to claim benefits - or they came on the highly skilled migrant program where they would have needed a minimum of a Master's degree. Again, they are not able to claim benefits until they have ILR. The majority of both came to work and not to claim benefits

Now, if your talking about Europeans coming to the UK that's a different matter.

That's rubbish about 3m, scare stories from the rightwing press, the gov estimates it's a lot less than 1m. They don't know for the reasons I've just posted, but an estimate of 1m has been used by a number of groups.

I'll tell you why it's not 3m, it's estimated up to 1m Poles came to the UK. At work, we have 2 Poles working there, my child-minder minds a Polish kid. There are 3 or 4 Polish shops near me, I hear Polish spoken by school kids near me. Polish people living near me. Yet if you believe there are 3m illegals here, I take it you mean mostly from Africa, India and Pakistan I would be seeing more of these people, 3 * the number of Poles I see, yet i don't, so where are these 3m hiding ???

Already told you where they are...Waltham Forest, same in all areas of East London, millions of them.

Why are you so fixated on Poles?

I gave you figures provided by the 2011 census of British citizens and you give me figures of foreigners' birth rates and that they are Christians. We are not comparing the same.

[Dedworth]

Why are you so fixated on Poles?

Good point - many nasty criminals and pond life amongst the former Warsaw Pact but they pale into insignificance when we look at those from the Horn and other parts of Africa

[joebloggs]

Why are you so fixated on Poles?

You're telling me there are 3m illegals in the UK, most of them in East London. You say we're talking about different things. What are you talking about, 3m illegals in the UK or the 'rise' in the number of Muslims in the UK?

Why do I go on about Poles? Because I can believe 1M came to the UK, because I see them everywhere, yet I don't see any of these 3m illegal immigrants. They must all be in London as you say. I wonder why UKBA don't arrest them, they seem to arrest illegals from all over the UK.

[Pete/London]

your telling me there are 3m illegals in the UK, most of them in East London, you say were talking about different things, what are you talking about, 3m illegals in the UK or the 'rise' in the number of Muslims in the UK ?

why do i go on about Poles. because i can believe 1M came to the Uk, because i see them everywhere , yet i don't see any of these 3m illegal immigrants, they must all be in London as you say, i wonder why UKBA don't arrest them, they seem to arrest illegals from all over the UK

They don't wear a badge you know

[joebloggs]

They don't wear a badge you know

Neither do the Poles or non-British people in the UK.

Like I asked Les before, how does he tell if someone is Muslim or not, unless he asks them?

He's very good, he can tell by looking at them if they are Christian, Atheist, Muslim or Hindu. Like you say, they don't wear badges

[Pete/London]

Neither do the Poles or non British people in the UK.

Like I asked Les before, how does he tell if someone is Muslim or not, unless he asks them?

He's very good, he can tell by looking at them if they are Christian, Atheist, Muslim or Hindu. Like you say, they don't wear badges

I know the area of East London and going on these wonderful gov stats about how many immigrants were coming into the country from non EU countries, down to the low thousands, maybe they can explain how these areas are now swamped with non Euro migrants. I also worked in these areas for various charity organisations and housing associations. Then you also look at the growth of Mosques in the same areas and it stops becoming rocket science.