UK told to pay more into Europe

[SimonH]

So long as they have £53 each week to support themselves just like Iain Duncan-Smith reckons an individual needs, the rest should go to the taxman, obviously.

That's your trip to the Philippines ed then

[SimonH]

So you would like it to stay as it is? Simon?

I've got no problem in paying my way Andy

[andy222]

Exactly, but some can't afford to pay their way through no fault of their own. Like I have said before, there are millions of working people and disabled struggling, but I dont expect you to see it that way.

They are working just as hard - if not harder - than you.

[SimonH]

Exactly, but some can't afford to pay their way through no fault of their own. Like I have said before, there are millions of working people and disabled struggling, but I don't expect you to see it that way.

They are working just as hard - if not harder - than you.

I see it the same way Andy It's the lazy 's who think they're owed a house and benefits that gets to me.

I started off struggling and grafting but I had aspirations to climb the financial ladder; fortunately I still have those aspirations and I'm still climbing

[johncar54]

Simon, Interesting but I think my post is actual cost which each customer is paying from their gross income. That is, it is what each must earn in order to buy the pint.

[stevewool]

Work hard and save harder, then in such a short time you may be be able to enjoy what you have worked so hard for. Around 14 more pay cheques and I will not be paying any more tax for a few years. Will I be classed like the lazy buggers then?

[Michael Parnham]

To be honest Jamie, I work in Birmingham and it would be a wasted vote. Most parts of Birmingham will stay Labour because of the ethnic minority vote. But it's your choice mate

Every vote counts!

[andy222]

In some eyes you will be Steve.

[Ako Si Jamie]

Exactly, but some can't afford to pay their way through no fault of their own. Like I have said before, there are millions of working people and disabled struggling, but I don't expect you to see it that way.

They are working just as hard - if not harder - than you.

[stevewool]

In some eyes you will be Steve.

Am I bothered Andy? Not a big fat chance! I have paid my way in life and I will enjoy what time I have left, Where? Who knows, just chilling out and resting for a good few months

[andy222]

Am I bothered Andy? Not a big fat chance! I have paid my way in life and I will enjoy what time I have left. Where? Who knows, just chilling out and resting for a good few months

I hope Cameron doesn't see that Steve, he will make you work till you're 70 to help pay towards the 1.7 billion he owes

[joebloggs]

I just had a look at income tax. Never having been in the top bands I had not realised that those earning over £120,000 p.a. appear to get no personal allowance, thus pay tax on all their income..

Simon's point:-

That being so, the mates drinking beer, means that one pays say £3 to £4 a pint and the other £4.35 to £5.80 i.e. 45% more, and that applies to everything they buy.

Back to the real world, everyone - that includes the poorest to the richest - needs a certain amount of money to live off to pay for utils, food, clothes etc,

Rich or poor, most of what you buy or bills you need to pay, are not linked to your income.

As for the rich, I wonder how many pay cash to employees, how many have accountants so they pay £0 or as little tax as possible ??

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...er-tax-2055838

[les_taxi]

It's a good analogy and one Labour supporters can't argue with. You always want more off people who earn more than you. Not taking into account the fact a lot of the rich employ people. I'm all for people getting on in life. Some people are brighter than others and make more of their lives. Good on 'em, I'm totally working class but don't envy the rich.

[joebloggs]

It's a good analagy and one labour supporter s can't argue with. You always want more off people who earn more than you. Not taking into account the fact a lot of the rich employ people. I'm all for people getting on in life. Some people are brighter than others and make more of their lives. Good on 'em, I'm totally working class but don't envy the rich.

Les, these rich people, many pay their workers the minimum wage, not the living wage, and because they pay the minimum wage they are entitled to claim certain benefits so they can survive, meaning all taxpayers are subsidizing these rich people

[SimonH]

Les, these rich people many pay their workers the minimum wage, not the living wage, and because they pay the minimum wage they are entitled to claim certain benefits so they can survive, meaning all taxpayers are subsidizing these rich people

Is that a fact or did you just make it up?

[joebloggs]

Is that a fact or did you just make it up?

https://www.gov.uk/working-tax-credit/eligibility

Tell me how I am wrong then ?????

[SimonH]

https://www.gov.uk/working-tax-credit/eligibility

tell me how i am wrong then ?????

The bit about many rich people paying their staff the minimum wage and therefore tax payers are subsidising the rich

[joebloggs]

The bit about many rich people paying their staff the minimum wage and therefore tax payers are subsidising the rich

So who is paying for these benefits then ? The rich ? Or every tax payer ???

[SimonH]

Ok, I'll play. It's everyone

[SimonH]

But mainly the rich

[joebloggs]

But mainly the rich

Even the rich who pay their employees a decent wage

[SimonH]

even the rich who pay their employees a decent wage

Yep, even them Not sure where you're trying to get to Joe

[joebloggs]

Yep, even them Not sure where you're trying to get to Joe

But mainly the rich

That includes rich employers who pay a decent wage and those that don't.
If they all paid a decent wage there would be no need for certain benefits.

[les_taxi]

What I take issue with is the Benefit Culture - not people facing genuine hardship or with disabilities, they need help. I DO disagree with the ....... chavs who don't work,never want to work and probably never will.

The rest of us started work at, maybe 16 and we are where we are now mainly due to choices we made.

I started off in a warehouse and eventually became a Branch manager of a large plumbers' merchants then decided I would gamble and set up my own business.

I have worked long hours and missed out on many social gatherings but I'm happy.

I work hard and play hard.

Some of my best customers are loaded - they have everything. Some employ people and the ones I have met are not on minimum wage.

I just hate rich-bashing for the sake of it when some people have worked hard, been cleverer than others and gambled all on making it. Good luck to them.

Some people have a crap job and moan all the time - it's not my fault or some rich git's fault it is their choice to do that job.

When I pick up someone who hates their boss/job etc, I say make plans to leave - do what you want to do - but do not moan for the rest of your life about it, or the successes of others when you were not prepared to do anything about it. IT'S DOWN TO US TO CHOOSE our future.

[joebloggs]

I just hate rich-bashing for the sake of it when some people have worked hard, been cleverer than others and gambled all on making it. Good luck to them.

If Charles is dodgy, how many others are doing the same ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dvantages.html

[KeithD]

Why do some people think people who claim benefits are scroungers? Oh yeah, the Daily Mail

Most benefit claimants usually come under the category of working, disabled, sick, elderly, redundant, zero hour contracts.

Less than 1% of families have two generations claiming, while only 9% of them have never worked. That is about 0.01% of the physically fit working population for those who can't do the maths. One hell of a minority.

[les_taxi]

No one's said that Keith, certainly not me. I did say I despise the ones who can't be arsed to work - of which we have plenty. I said those with disabilities and people who need real help should get it.

[KeithD]

Going by these stats we need to send all OAPs to Siberia. They are a burden on the country's finances.

[KeithD]

Strange, benefits flat lined during the Labour years, but went up with Major & Cameron I didn't expect that. I thought it was a smooth trend up.

[bigmarco]

Is that a fact or did you just make it up?

Suppose we could say the same for your 50% tax rate.