These guys certainly know when the best time is for them to go on strike, they apparently already have the best pension in the public sector.....
These guys certainly know when the best time is for them to go on strike, they apparently already have the best pension in the public sector.....
I believe they also pay for itunlike many public sector workers, they risk their lives, and the gov wants them to work until they are 60Recent pensions contributions increases, to 14.2% for most firefighters, meant they were now one of the highest in the public sector,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28166635
I don't see a problem with that, people aged sixty are not exactly geriatric....
My misses sees a problem with it. All the firemen she has seen, have bad backs in their 50s - never mind 60Originally Posted by Longweekend
Modern safety equipment, nanny state health & safety, massive reduction in call out...............
Firemen are heroic but the emotional blackmail of their union hides the fact they're very underworked
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Funny Dedworth, if they were in the army or other services you would be sticking up for them, but if they are firemen or police officers then it's a different story
that sixty's still within the age range for carrying out a fairly wide variety of (mainly office) jobs ... but it's far, far too old to be engaged in work where people's lives are at stake.
Why are the firemen so special? If a builder or a manual worker is not allowed to retire until they are 65, why should they retire at 55 with an index-linked pension? ....
They pay 14.7% of their wage into their pension, they have to carry heavy equipment never mind a person; you really think a 60-yr-old can do that ?
They risk their lives and don't get any thanks from some people until they've gone into a burning building and saved a person's life.
And like the Army (but not the bloated coppers) they have to pass regular realistic fitness tests. My neighbour a couple of doors away is a fireman, decent bloke, nice standard of living, plenty of time for him to stay at home, pick up the kids or do his 2nd job
Well Dedworth, maybe he's working while you're fast asleep, they work shifts - unlike most people
And some already have an annual fitness test
I bet he's not getting £750,000 a yr while moonlighting as a Tory MP. He should be sacked
read more here ...... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-ducks-4539430A Tory MP who rakes in vast sums from his “second job” as a barrister has skipped meetings in Parliament to appear in court.
Stephen Phillips QC was embroiled in a complex High Court business case for six days this week and last while the House of Commons was in session.
During that time, he missed two meetings of the Commons Public Accounts Committee – despite being appointed to the panel only last month.
His salary as an MP is £67,060 but he earned £750,000 as a barrister in 2012 alone
i bet he's not getting £750,000 yr while moonlighting as a Tory MP, he should be sacked
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And that has what to do with firemen going on strike?
Well funnily enough, I never knew people were forced into being firemen - I thought they could choose their own careers!
No-one is going to deny the work they do, of course not, but they get the every woman loves a fireman vote, and I know a few who are able to earn nice extra cash posing as plumbers and Taxi drivers in their spare time.
Not because they are skint but they like the money
Funnily enough Les, no one forces people to join the Army either, but they can do no wrong in your eyes - even when they are caught with an illegal firearmWell funnily enough, I never knew people were forced into being firemen - I thought they could choose their own careers!
No-one is going to deny the work they do, of course not, but they get the every woman loves a fireman vote, and I know a few who are able to earn nice extra cash posing as plumbers and Taxi drivers in their spare time.
Not because they are skint but they like the money
Well, I'm sure you would start praising them if they saved your life
My Mrs is working nights this Sunday - Tuesday and she doesn't have a grasping union making unrealistic demands
Spot on Les - Joes in his usual govt/employer bashing fantasy land. Nigh on impossible to get into the fire service - too many takers - I wonder why ?
Is that your problem, your misses is not in a union ?
She's in the RCN & it's not a problem for me
So being a member of the RCN is ok with you, but being a member of any other union you have a problem with?
You're drifting off topic again Joe. I'm against unions led by dinosaurs making unreasonable demands ie, the shower at GrangemouthSo being a member of the RCN is ok with you, but being a member of any other union you have a problem with?
I thought you were against unions ded? Seems like double standards to me.
no he is only against unions that he doesn't like, Rcn for some reason
is one he likes
The reason it's hard to get into Fire and Rescue now is the higher educational standards required. Many candidates would simply not be selected nowadays, as the idiots running the show want thinkers not hands on.
If a F/f is injured and pensioned off, he will not get a full pension under the new rules. Would you fight to preserve your pension or just take less?
How much is a firefighter's life worth when you have to tell his wife and children their dad's not coming home because he got killed saving someone else, or their mother's not coming home??
If a serious incident occurs during a strike period, the picket line is left to respond, fact.
Any second job has to be approved, but if you injure yourself doing it that's your problem not the brigade's and - as for not doing anything all day - you have to study a lot more due to increased risks and be able to operate all equipment as the old school of being on a particular appliance has long gone.
If I was a Fireman I would just accept whatever decision is made and carry on working!
Why should they? We're not in China or Russia, they have a legal right to protest or strike
You think you could do a fireman's job at 60 ?
Everyone is different at 60 Joe, yes I think I would have been ok at 60 can't speak for anyone else. Regarding strikes and unions always hated both, unions only brainwash you to go on strike and lose money you will never get back and when you are back at work if your job's still available nothing has really changed apart from heartache your family has gone through because of no money coming in.Why should they? We're not in China or Russia, they have a legal right to protest or strike
You think you could do a fireman's job at 60 ?
Just my opinion Joe!
And you're entitled to your opinion Michael
My misses has seen a number of firemen and they all suffer problems with their back,
You think at 60 yrs old you could carry someone down a ladder wearing 70 pounds of gear ?
And you're entitled to your opinion Michael
My misses has seen a number of firemen and they all suffer problems with their back,
You think at 60 yrs old you could carry someone down a ladder wearing 70 pounds of gear ?
With all your union knowledge I'm surprised you're naive enough to think that all firemen have to run up and down ladders. I'm sure you'll come up with some irrelevant fact to counter my argument, but surely there are administrative jobs in the fire service that those who were too old or physically unable to run up and down ladders could do
Drive, inspect equipment, train the newbies
You're doing it again - ignoring my comment!well I'm sure you would start praising them if they saved your life
The other quote that the Army can do no wrong in my eyes is pretty much correctNo-one is going to deny the work they do, of course not
Denying what Les, the job they do? You mean they risk their lives daily ? Pity you cant post some praise for themYou're doing it again ignoring my comment!
The other quote that the Army can do no wrong in my eyes is pretty much correct
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