Taxi driver or emergency worker, I doubt it's in their contract that they might face abuse or be assaulted, nor should anyone expect to be, doing their job.Originally Posted by fred
Taxi driver or emergency worker, I doubt it's in their contract that they might face abuse or be assaulted, nor should anyone expect to be, doing their job.
Well when its your career and you've been doing the same job for years, and there is only 1 employer who makes and breaks the terms and conditions of your employment, then the last option they have is to strike when the gov makes a major change to your employment.
Breakout the bunting, call the press, Joe has actually made a comment relevant to the topic
That reminds me I must put the clothes in the dryerNo, but I did have some lovely smoked salmon from Lidl tonight
http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/6764.htm?ac...etail&id=17887Pity can't say the same for you
Joe, do you really believe that a contract of employment should never be altered, changed or amended? meaning that a contract which was written in the 1940's should still be honoured in 2014.....
Of course contracts are changed, but a contract is an agreement btw 2 parties this has been forced on them. I remember when the gov was taken to court over Tier Visas and the courts ruled the changes were unfair, expecting someone to work on the front line until they are 60 is a major change.
Personally I would never have tied myself down to a career like that.
Working is bad enough!! Thats why I jacked it in and come over here!
It must be very frustrating for a dedicated Fireman being told that he cannot attend an emergency call because he`s on strike and has to mind a picket line..
Personally I could not reconcile that with my conscience..I`d leave, no doubt about it.
How about a level playing field Joe:
Peddling images of wizened, elderly figures trying to climb ladders, the union tells us a rise in the retirement age to 60 will be a serious threat to public safety. But this is nonsense.
For a start, fire-fighters will be able to continue in service only if they pass a fitness test, as happens in other physically demanding, publicly paid jobs such as the police and the Army, where the retirement age is 60.
Moreover, almost every other fire service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.
Should be no problem with their consciences as they have not refused to attend emergency calls. If there were problems, they would have made the front page of the 'Daily Snail' and Dedworth would have posted about them
This goes to prove that Joe is in 'Fireman Sam Land' when he imagines 60 year olds laden with 100 lbs of equipment carrying someone down a ladder
Difference being I could be miles from anywhere on a country lane with 4 lads wanting to give me a kicking.that's the same abuse emergency workers put up with to, also bus drivers and NHS workers
i'm totally on my own on that one in a confined space.
But again i don't moan about my job,my pay at all-just get on with it
i chose to do it no one forced me and I also took financial gamble rather than play it safe and stay in a job i had got bored with
Facts like those don't suit Joe's argumentPeddling images of wizened, elderly figures trying to climb ladders, the union tells us a rise in the retirement age to 60 will be a serious threat to public safety. But this is nonsense.
For a start, fire-fighters will be able to continue in service only if they pass a fitness test, as happens in other physically demanding, publicly paid jobs such as the police and the Army, where the retirement age is 60.
[I]Moreover, almost every other fire service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.
Good call!Peddling images of wizened, elderly figures trying to climb ladders, the Union tells us a rise in the retirement age to 60 will be a serious threat to public safety. But this is nonsense.
For a start, fire-fighters will be able to continue in service only if they pass a fitness test, as happens in other physically demanding, publicly paid jobs such as the police and the Army, where the retirement age is 60.
[I]Moreover, almost every other fire service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.
I think you're wrong, unless you can post me a link. Soldiers do not go on the front line until they are 60 or anywhere near that age. They can claim there pension at 60.
tell me dedworth as you know the armed forces so well, what is the maximum age a British solider can be sent to the front line, i wait your fact based reply. with linkFacts like those don't suit Joes argument
It's 18 as the squaddies tell me.
Found this link too - what a great kid!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Call-Duty.html
No comments on this Joe?
Moreover, almost every other fire service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.
No, he will use diversionary tactics
Joe is a good sport though!
Another drift off topic Joe. I can't be bothered to look it up but chalk & cheese Armed Forces are not Emergency Services.Tell me Dedworth, as you know the armed forces so well, what is the maximum age a British solider can be sent to the front line, I wait your fact based reply. With link
Perhaps you ought to think of it another way - the youngest age an infantry private can go into combat, compared with the youngest a firefighter can read the risk assessment :-
A man who fell into a lake drowned after firefighters called to the scene said they could not enter the water if it was higher than ankle deep for health and safety reasons, an inquest has been told.
Simon Burgess, a 41-year-old charity shop worker died at Walpole Park, in Gosport, Hampshire, on 10 March. He is believed to have had an epileptic seizure either before or after falling into the water while feeding swans.
Witnesses raised the alarm, but the hearing was told on Tuesday that members of a fire crew refused to get to him because the water was more than ankle deep. Instead, they waited for a specialist water rescue team and Burgess was only taken out of the lake 28 minutes after the alarm was raised.
Gillian Hughes, 53, told the inquest, at Portsmouth coroners court, that she had phoned Emergency Services and urged them to rescue Burgess when they arrived. She said: "The firemen arrived with the police, and I said: 'He's only been there five or 10 minutes, so if you hurry you might save him.'
"He just said: 'We're not allowed', and I said: 'But that's your job.'
Hughes added: "I said to one of the firemen: 'Why don't you go in?' and he said they couldn't if the water was higher than ankle deep. I said: 'You're having a laugh'. He said: 'No, that's health and safety' – but I thought that was their job."
She said that another fire crew arrived and started walking around the lake, putting in a pole and measuring the depth but, by this time, Burgess had drifted from one side of the lake to the other.
Deborah Coles, the Control Room Manager at Hampshire Fire and Rescue, told the inquest that she took the call from Hughes at 12.17 pm and, within a minute, had sent a fire appliance, a water rescue trained crew and a water support unit.
"Police, ambulance and coastguard were also sent as standard for a water rescue," she added. "The specialist teams are there to deal with water which is over half a boot in depth. At 12.20 pm, the fire crew confirmed attendance and at 12.25 they told us a male was floating face down."
"The water support unit arrived at 12.31 pm. At 12.46, we received a message requesting our press officer attend the scene. At 12.52, an update came in saying a male had been recovered, and at 12.58 he was taken to hospital."
Burgess was pronounced dead at 1.42 pm after he was taken to hospital.
Dr Bret Lockyer, the Speciality Registrar of Histopathology, told the inquest there were signs that Burgess had fallen into the lake because of an epileptic seizure.
Burgess was diagnosed with the condition in 1987, and had unsuccessful brain surgery to ease the seizures. Lockyer said: "If he had been taken out of the water after 10 minutes, there is a slim chance he could have been resuscitated.
"It seems he had a seizure either before or while he fell into the water."
The hearing continues.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/f...e-firefighters
I'm not knocking firefighters they have their hands tied by the nanny state
Solidarity with our comrades in the FBU. I've been off this weekend but if the strikes still ongoing on Tuesday I won't be taking a train into any tunnels.
Refusal to work on the grounds of Health and Safety for fear of danger to my passengers as 27 engines in 32 boroughs manned by doughnuts will be no good if we have a repeat of 7/7
Maximum age Leslie?
And they work on the frontline, fighting fires at that age, or the age they can claim their pension ?
Not good enough Dedworth, I know you know. What's the maximum age you can join the Army, something like 32? How long can you sign up for 4 or 8 yrs ?
So there are probably few fighting at the frontline who are over 40I wonder why, Dedworth
But it's ok for a firefighter to be at the frontline until they are 60
In this video.. Joe appears at 0.35 and look! Andy is right there behind him!!
I don't have 2 mins to waste watching that. More important things to watch, like football
Bit of a different front line Joe - in your Publicly Funded, Unionised, 'Elf & Safety' wonderland you'd like to see the Royal Marines called out to rescue a cat stuck up a tree 'cos they're dossing around in barracks rather than being in a combat zone
And they work on the frontline, fighting fires at that age, or the age they can claim their pension ?
Not good enough Dedworth, I know you know. What's the maximum age you can join the Army? Something like 32? How long can you sign up for 4 or 8 yrs ?
So there are probably few fighting at the frontline who are over 40
But it's ok for a firefighter to be at the frontline until they are 60
Ok you win on that one point I misread, but lose it again for incorrect spelling of my name!Maximum age Lesley
I'm thinking Joe (probably Joanne in real life) is a woman, as he is such a bitch.Ok you win on that one point I misread, but lose it again for incorrect spelling of my name!
I think I got your name right
What? Is it half time Joe?i think i got your name right
Is it, in what way ? Carrying heavy equipment? Going into dangerous situations?
As for rescuing a cat, you were calling them for not rescuing a duck a few posts ago
Truth is Dedworth, they are too old. What other reason can there be? Yet firemen have to work for another 20 yrs
It isWhat? Is it half time Joe?
Not bothered who wins, as long as one wins
Shame about red card - City will go on to win no doubt!
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