The only thing that "entitles" this marine to fair treatment and a fair trial here is the U.S /Philippines visiting forces agreement.Originally Posted by bigmarco
All other foreigners are at the mercy of Filipino justice with almost no assistance from their Embassy/Consul.
You have a good point there Fred!
Yes, and sadly all too true
I think you have fallen into the same trap the Philippine authorities fell into
If the German guy's gf had been a real woman then he would have been treated totally differently
He was ridiculed from the first day he entered the Philippines and zero sympathy was given
Murder is Murder in my book and what victims sexuality happens to be has nothing to do with
Alleged murder.
In some people`s book he has been tried, convicted and should be hung up already!Alleged murder.
It's because he is a foreigner and - much worse - a U.S marine.
Most ordinary Filipinos are not against the U.S. forces being here helping to defend R.P territory.
A small minority of Communist sympathizers funded from China win the day again in the press.
Murder is murder yes.. It just depends on if it is a foreigner or a Filipino that was the victim.Murder is Murder in my book and what victims sexuality happens to be has nothing to do with
Murder of foreigners by Filipino`s is 3rd page news and is long forgotten before it is resolved (usually not) in a court room.
Look at the case of the US marine that was murdered in Bel air, a while back.
4 men murdered him right in front of a CCTV camera and were all let out on bail by the Makati regional trial court.
MANILA, Philippines - The United States is disappointed with a recent Makati City court ruling on the killing of a US Marine outside Bel-Air Village in Makati by four Filipino men in November 2012.Two of the suspects were not convicted of any crime and two were convicted of homicide and given probation,” Goldberg said. “And so nobody has served the day for that brutal crime. We don’t know why that would happen.”
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/20...marine-bel-air
I dont see anyone on here bitching about the many cases such as this.. Sympathy for a German fruit cake that scaled a Military security fence?
Damn!
in the end MONEY TALK
Court grants Pemberton's motion to suspend trial
MANILA - The Olongapo Regional Trial Court (RTC) has granted the motion of US Marine Joseph Scott Pemberton to suspend proceedings against him in connection with the death of Filipino transgender Jennifer Laude.
Source: http:// www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/12/23/14/court-grants-pembertons-motion-suspend-trial
-=rayna.keith=-
...When you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible...
Exactly...
Exactly...
What I think he means is "Money talks".
Of course, so expect Laude's family to be paid off or offered visas soonin the end MONEY TALK
That's what happened in the recent marine rape case
This case was/is a travesty of justice also.In some people`s book he has been tried, convicted and should be hung up already!
It's because he is a foreigner and - much worse - a U.S marine.
Most ordinary Filipinos are not against the U.S. forces being here helping to defend R.P territory.
A small minority of Communist sympathizers funded from China win the day again in the press.
Murder is murder yes.. It just depends on if it is a foreigner or a Filipino that was the victim.
Murder of foreigners by Filipino`s is 3rd page news and is long forgotten before it is resolved (usually not) in a court room.
Look at the case of the US marine that was murdered in Bel air,a while back.
4 men murdered him right in front of a CCTV camera and were all let out on bail by the Makati regional trial court.
MANILA, Philippines - The United States is disappointed with a recent Makati City court ruling on the killing of a US Marine outside Bel-Air Village in Makati by four Filipino men in November 2012.
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/20...marine-bel-air
I don't see anyone on here bitching about the many cases such as this.. Sympathy for a German fruit cake that scaled a Military security fence?
Damn!
I took a keen interest in this case as I know that area very well.
The fact that these murderers were given probation was an insult to the victim.
Of course money buys many things.
Pemberton is hardly a lone victim in all of this and the USA will be doing everything they can behind the scenes.
You seem fast to jump to this guys defence without a second thought for the person who was killed.
I want to see justice in this case without interference from a superpower.
If he is ever found guilty in a FAIR trial, I think he should be locked up in a Filipino prison for many years.You seem fast to jump to this guys defence without a second thought for the person who was killed.
If the family accept blood money, visas etc for his release, then that's their decision.
That's the way it works here.
Stalling tactics are being employed at the moment, apparently due to the VFA agreement if they dont convict Pemberton within 12 months then he walks free !
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippi...r-murder-case/Philippines rejects U.S. Marine's appeal to drop transgender murder case
Another Bayot gets brutally murdered in Davao..
Will we get the same public out cry about this case I wonder?
DAVAO CITY - A gay was found brutally murdered, with multiple stab wounds to her chest, hands tied and a brief stuffed in her mouth.
At 6:00 in the morning last Saturday, the guards of the Philippine Coconut Authority (PCA) in Barangay Bago Oshiro, Tugbok District were shocked when they found the sprawled body of the victim.
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/loca...urdered-388443
Pinas should never have signed the VFA.
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
Read more here ....A US Marine accused of killing a transgender woman in the Philippines refused to enter a plea Monday to the murder charge filed against him.
US Marine Lance Corporal Joseph Scott Pemberton was escorted by US embassy officials during his arraignment at the regional trial court in Olongapo City, 80 kilometres south of Manila.
The judge entered a not-guilty plea when the 19-year-old Marine did not answer. He is charged with killing Jeffrey "Jennifer" Laude in a hotel in Olongapo City on October 11.
http://www.dpa-international.com/new...-44348120.html
It would be really stupid for Pemberton to enter a plea whilst his lawyers are busy thrashing out blood money terms.. It all about the money!!
Show me the MONEY!!
Jennifer Laude's mom reportedly open to PHP21-million settlement
She says she needs it for support.
http://manila.coconu...lion-settlement
Some cultures find the concept of 'blood money' acceptable.
I didn't realise that the Philippines was one of them though
I actually mentioned the incident on here a few years ago and was at a party last Christmas with the guy himself. I have a friend who was riding a bike from Gensan-Davao or Davao-Gensan, I cant remember if he was coming or going. I think he couldn't remember if he was coming or going either, as I have been told he was under the influence.Some cultures find the concept of 'blood money' acceptable.
I didn't realise that the Philippines was one of them though
Anyway, he hit an old guy - I think the gent was 72? The guy died, my friend was advised by the police who arrived, to book himself into hospital for a few days to give the dust time to settle or he would be arrested, as that's what the crowd who gathered at the scene were baying for. He spent a few days in hospital with minor wounds and ended up paying the old guy's family the equivalent of a few grand sterling, blood money.
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
Is that really 'blood money' Tawi, or an under the table illegal pay-off or are they classed the same?
Yes, I've heard of similar cases but only in an illegal sense of graft.
When money talks people listen.
I remember seeing a video from a westerner living here who advised that when faced with such issues always to be sure and pay-off the first person to ask.
That is correct advice Peter. Pay the first in line.
He gave the family some cash mate, in exchange they didn't pursue the matter. The old guy was past his 'sell by date', he wasn't going to earn any wonga for them, so the family took the money offered. Bird in the hand and all that. It's blood money however it's looked at.
Lots of things operate under the table in Pinas,it's how it works.
If it ever comes on top or you're caught in a compromising situation anywhere in the 3rd world, ALWAYS offer cash to the first person in a position of power who arrives on the scene. By the time his mate turns up that's two you have to pay. By the time you're taken down to the nick, that's 4-5-6 you have to pay and so on up the ladder.
I know of a Westerner caught p*ssed driving his car in Manila. Plod took him to the cash machine while he withdrew his "fine". If he had refused - and he had taken a ride to the station - things would have gotten a lot more complex and costly in the long run. It's called being street-wise and clued up.
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
Peter.. I`m no expert on this stuff but I have been hearing of these blood money payments for years.
In most criminal cases here you need a "complainant" or "complainants".. I dont normally hear of Police or state prosecutions without a "complainant or an aggrieved relative that presses the case for the prosecution.
I think the modern rate of "blood money" for a poor family is about 100k to drop the case and settle out of court..
Obviously..21 Million is usually unheard of but it is a starting point and a pretty strong message to the family of the U.S marine that anything could be possible where that kind of money is concerned..
If you think about it,that kind of money would change the Mother`s and her dependents life beyond their wildest dreams.. I`d say that the lawyers working on their behalf would take approx. half of that amount.
Interesting to see how this pans out..In the meantime I dont expect the Marine to enter a plea one way or another till negotiations are complete.
Pinoys are pragmatists, they make the best of a bad situation. The transgender is dead - there's no bringing him back - BUT there is cash on the table. It would be churlish to refuse
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
Looks like Pemberton`s family couldn't raise the 21 million.
http://www.sunstar.c...l-begins-399045
Pemberton trial begins
Monday, March 23, 2015
MANILA -- A court in Olongapo City began the trial of a US Marine charged with murdering a transgender Filipino after allegedly discovering her gender when they checked into a hotel in an emotional case that has tested America's ties with a key Asian ally.
I read Laude's family actually rejected the 21 million for a lesser charge.
Surely the money would come from the USA government - not Pemberton's family.
The USA are known for doing dodgy deals - like that last rape case where the victim and her parents ended up living in the USA - after that marine walked free
This marine got drunk took a guy back to a hotel and then lost the plot when he found out it was not a woman .................
My point is this:
The USA likes to push its own agenda in the Philippines with its anti-human-trafficking agenda.
When one of their own commits an offence, they enter into dodgy deals behind the scenes.
Lots of conjecture but no facts yet.
A link to the mother turning down 21 million please.
There are currently 3 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 3 guests)
Posting Permissions
Quote Reply
