applying for IRL Visa

[KeithD]

Looks like I missed all the fun!!!

hi ginapeterb me again best thing you can do is stand on the white cliffs of dover and start preaching maybe all the immigrants turn back winner

...and I'll join Pete on the cliffs....we don't want any more of those pesky whites coming into our country and ruining it

I look at tax as an investment, I like to make sure that the council have enough coppers in the tin to pay for the important Christmas visit to the little village of Umfucatwato in the Bahamas

You gotta love this one, a mate of mine was working 6 months in Liverpool for Norwich Union while SIX women had nipped off on 12 month pregnancy leave........they had 13 MONTHS off, because they are still entitled to the 4 weeks holiday they had earned during the year off!!!

If you want 12 months off to have a child, bloody stay there and look after it, it is NOT A PET!!! Plenty of work from home jobs these days. ANYONE can start an online business. Myself & Pete had no experience of the sites we run before we started.

...and since we are all having a rant....get the smackheads of Incapacity, it is a social choice, not an illness.

[ginapeterb]

Hello once again MARK,

Sorry I had not noticed you, probably I was not here when you became a member, I think I saw Gemma around (cryingbaby) its nice to meet you both on the forum, i think in truth i probably kind of over-reacted, sometimes though when I write posts, I do say what first comes into my head, you could find that funny if you want, because thats how it comes over, I guess i want to be free to express my thoughts.

I don't consider myself right wing either, and yes Mark I did vote for Margaret Thatcher twice also, and I would agree with you, for those of us who remember that time, it did seem that opportunities were there for us to get on in life, sadly, not everyone saw it that way.

I think its obvious to many at this forum, that Pete is not a socialist, I make that obvious.

Anyway wasn't this thread about benefit entitlements or something like that ?

[ginapeterb]

Welcome back Keith - you missed all the fun.
I know what you're thinking, its Browns Scottish old socialist state in action.
TAX AND SPEND GORDON

[KeithD]

I like Brown , he got rid of betting tax

[joebloggs]

oh me and pete may not agree on this issue,, but my posts as always should be taken as light hearted, and i never mean to offend anyone, i'm all for a bit of lively debate , but insulting members of the forum shouldn't be tolerated, and pete has my full support on that matter..

ladyj chin up gal.. hows the little'un ? little joe never crawls now, walks everywhere !

as for rightwing and thatcher, thats my little jokes , well i've never voted for her, maybe if i got 1,000 BA shares off her i would have , i'm in a labour stronghold, if the labour party put up a monkey it would win easily


12 months leave !!! , my wife was back working in less than 4 wks of little joe being born (we needed the money), and i didn't even get any paternity leave

[gWaPito]

The new revised child benifit has nothing to do with his personel standing and all the freebees north of the border has nothing to do with him being a Scot, how could that be? wouldn't we all see through that, of course not, thats is why we can't vote on Europe, we can't understand it...

[andypaul]

I don't like the Visa fees but if you don't agree with them use the democratic process and vote agaisnt the parties which want them.
That or like most of us debated between their loved one and themself move to phill or a third country where it would be easier and cheaper for the two of you to settle.

Having gone though the process and had to make sure that the bank balance looked decent. I thought it was outragous but now i see it makes sense, having a 2k surplus to support a person who needs to bulid a new life in the UK is probably on the low side. Not to have that money would be unfair on the two of you.

Although i know the uk citzen/resident spouse can claim but the visa holding spouse can't, i wouldn't want to have to rely on what i might be able to claim to support three people. For those planning to apply make sure you have decent savings, jobs will be far harder next year to find so less likely the visa older walking into a job unless highly qualified.

Also snatcher who like all polticians i have very little time for is side by side bliar/brown comedy duo who will at least equal if not exceed their idol in policies which will make your life worse the Crash when it happens remeber the govement is printing money to pay its way out of crisis and northern rock is about to take out a few members of browns cabinet when the 1000 pound for each british person paid to them can't be paid back in full. Plus the small issue of two wars with no end site plus random inspired al queada attacks for the forseeable future due to his policies which are costing us billions.

Joe the reason you and I paid so much in visa fees is partly due to recent goverments of both colours doing nothing about various visa issues for a long time and now realising they need to bring in new procedures like checking people in and out of the country. Why can't they pay out of the taxes we all pay, well due to no one earning under 27k iirc actually paying a surplus to what they need if they claim all they are entitled to.
I would think for the plans they would have they might have to add an extra penny on to the tax rate which would not do well for Brown.

Peace to all whoever they are

[winner]

hi pete my name is warren not hide behind any name if i have some thing to say i say it, first sorry for calling you a name accept my apology, 2nd i only ask if i was entitled to any thing and you run of with your mouth saying this that and the other making me look bad (ho look another one) this not true i pay as well as the other man tax and more tax so when you down on your luck you think bad of people i say again pete sorry for that name i call you hope we can be good freinds all the best warren (winner)

[ervenescence]

Peace to everyone

We are family here so no need to used harsh words

[LadyJ]

LadyJ ? that is a ridiculous statement to make, of course everyone does not pay income tax, people on Income support and housing benefit does not pay income tax.

How sure are you about that Pete? What about If I tell you we are in received of Housing Benefit and me and my partner still pays income tax.

I spend countless hours giving immigration advice, here and by private e mail for hours on end, I do it out of interest and because i care about others who have difficulties in getting through the entry clearance process, just because someone disagreed with your advice, (If I had a dollar for everyone who did not agree with me, I would have left years ago)

So do I?! and other members of this forum!

Stand the course LadyJ and get in the debate, instead of threatening to go at the first sign of an opposing view.
Your a typical Filipino, cant take any kind of confrontation...welcome to the real world.

Straight to the point, debate is not my cup of tea..I don't like argument! And I also dislike people who are over reacting!

[gWaPito]

Looks like I missed all the fun!!!



...and I'll join Pete on the cliffs....we don't want any more of those pesky whites coming into our country and ruining it

I look at tax as an investment, I like to make sure that the council have enough coppers in the tin to pay for the important Christmas visit to the little village of Umfucatwato in the Bahamas

You gotta love this one, a mate of mine was working 6 months in Liverpool for Norwich Union while SIX women had nipped off on 12 month pregnancy leave........they had 13 MONTHS off, because they are still entitled to the 4 weeks holiday they had earned during the year off!!!

If you want 12 months off to have a child, bloody stay there and look after it, it is NOT A PET!!! Plenty of work from home jobs these days. ANYONE can start an online business. Myself & Pete had no experience of the sites we run before we started.

...and since we are all having a rant....get the smackheads of Incapacity, it is a social choice, not an illness.

Hi Keith,
Just to let you know you have another fan added to your fan club. Not just because of what you just said but because after all these weeks I realise you are a funny man, you make me laugh! Not your jokes!!

[LadyJ]

Peace to everyone

We are family here so no need to used harsh words

Hmmp! You heard that Pete?! We are all family here :xxgrinning--00xx3 So don't let your blood boiled like that again next time..

Can I just ask?


How far did I get your nerves?

[ginapeterb]

Warren

Fair enough, your apology accepted mate, it takes a big man to come back and to that, i respect you for that, as for my ramblings, its obvious to everyone I am not in favor of the welfare state.

Well thats not quite my opinion, my opinion has slightly diversified and been modified over the years since Margaret Thatcher came to power, but when I took my degree one of the subjects I studied was "The UK, the Golden age to contemporary Britain".

When the welfare state was first envisioned by the Churchill committee in 1942, Winston Churchill asked the then Sir William Beveridge to look into the needs of the not so well off.

The committee came up with the idea of having a scheme called "National Insurance" "All people of working age should pay a weekly national insurance contribution.

In return, benefits would be paid to people who were sick, unemployed, retired or widowed.' The basic assumptions of the report were the National Health Service, which provided free health care to the UK.

The Universal Child Benefit was a scheme to give child benefits, which encouraged people to have children so they could afford to keep them alive and not for them to starve to death.

This was particularly useful after the second world war, where the population in England declined, so encouragement for new babies was encouraged, which sparked the baby boom.

Child benefit was then in effect an inducement for couples to grow the population by being given cash incentives to plug the population decline following the serious loss of life in the 2nd war, amazing don't you all think ?

Before 1939, health care had to be paid for, this was done through a vast network of friendly societies, trade unions and other insurance companies which counted the vast majority of the UK working population as members.

These friendly societies provided insurance for sickness, unemployment and invalidity, therefore providing people with an income when they were unable to work.

But because of the 1942 Beveridge Report, in 5th July 1948, the National Insurance Act, National Assistance Act and National Health Service Act came into force, thus this is the day that the modern UK welfare state was founded.

Criticisms of the UK Welfare State.

1. one criticism of welfare states concern the idea that a welfare state makes citizens dependent and less inclined to work.

2.Another criticism comes from Classical Liberalism. Namely, that Welfare is theft of Property or Labor.

This criticism is based upon classical liberalist ideals, wherein a citizen owns his body, and owns the product of his body's labor (i.e. goods, services, or money).

Note that in this definition property that is inherited is not included. So to remove money through legal mechanisms set by a democratically elected assembly from the working or non-working citizen and give it to a non-working or handicapped citizen or to a child is argued to be theft of the worker's property and/or labor and a violation of his property rights.

3.A third criticism is that the welfare state allegedly provides its dependents with a similar level of income to the minimum wage. Critics argue that fraud and economic inactivity are apparently quite common now in the United Kingdom.

4. Some in the UK claim that the welfare state has produced a generation of dependents who rely solely upon the state for income and support instead of working even though assistance is only given to those unable to work so that actually being able to work and instead relying on the state for income is a criminal offence.

5. The welfare state in the UK was created to provide a carefully selected number of people with a subsistence level of benefits in order to alleviate poverty, but that as a matter of opinion has been overly expanded to provide a large number of people indiscriminately with more money than the country can afford.

Some feel that this argument is demonstrably false: the benefits system in the UK hands out considerably less money than the national minimum wage, although people on welfare often find that they qualify for a variety of benefits, including benefits in-kind, such as subsidised accommodation which usually make the overall benefits much higher than figures show.

6. A fourth criticism of the welfare state is that it results in high taxes. This is usually true, as evidenced by places like Denmark (tax level at 50.4% of GDP in 2002) and Sweden (tax level at 50.2% of GDP in 2002). Such high taxes do not necessarily mean less income for the nation overall, since the state taxes go directly to the people it is taxed from. The real issue is that they result in a major redistribution of that income from the citizens on the productive side of the equation to the citizens on the welfare state side. Thus the productive, self-reliant citizens subsidise the lifestyle of others.

My modified stance remains unchanged, governments need to provide the conditions in which people do not need to rely on state benefits to get by in life, national insurance should be only to provide an income in retirement, child benefit which is universally paid to anyone with children, is quite ridiculous, I mean come on, Does the Duke of Westminster the riches man in the country actually need child benefit.

Child benefit should not be universally paid to anyone with children, for example, I do not need it, should I have children, so I do not believe I should receive it, I know some of my friends also have that view, but they take the child benefit because its universal, why do we still need a benefit that was set up in 1948 simply to encourage people to have babies.

Britain cannot afford the welfare state as it is today, and it will come to that conclusion within the next 30 years, the NHS is almost bankrupt, and we will also come to that conclusion that a public private scheme will be the only answer in 30 years.

Look at France's healthcare system, public private works, and France's healthcare is far better and efficient than ours, they have embraced the hard decisions that needed making, why can't we !

The points Mark raised about what is going on North of the English border only goes to support my assertions, free dental, free university tuition, free care for elderly, this is all ok, but in the end who will pay for it, the answer is simple:

A Massive re-distribution of income - in effect theft of ones property through work, by setting up legal mechanisms to relieve people of the fruits of their own labors to subsidize the lifestyles of others.

That cannot be right, and that is my humble opinion folks !

[gWaPito]

I thought a forum can also debate as well surely? can you tell me you did'nt find this debate exciting? more so than the normal stuff on here?there is no rudeness just all being 'frank' with one another. I think im right when you look at the 'who's on line' and what they are looking at. Ive enjoyed it so thanks to all!!

[ginapeterb]

Hmmp! You heard that Pete?! We are all family here :xxgrinning--00xx3 So don't let your blood boiled like that again next time..

Can I just ask?


How far did I get your nerves?

Yes LadyJ did my blood boil ? hmmm its ok, I think LadyJ you can see I don't like Gordon and Alistair and I think you can also see, that I hate NEW LABOUR, and all they stand for, I cannot wait until we kick them out at the next election, and boot them all back to their old Scottish accountant socialistic lairs North of the border.

'here is a song for you LadYj"

Here it is " Over the Hills and far away, Gordon commands and we obey, he wants our money to spend his way, over the hills and far away ! through England Scotland wales and Ireland, we work our fingers to the bone, so that Gordon can sit in his counting house, over the hills and far away, he tax demands and we obey, its mind over matter and Gordon doesnt mind and we dont matter.

Over the hills and far away ?

Sorry the music is not available, make your own up.

[KeithD]

Can I be FRANK as well, never liked the name KEITH?

[andypaul]

hi pete my name is warren not hide behind any name if i have some thing to say i say it, first sorry for calling you a name accept my apology, 2nd i only ask if i was entitled to any thing and you run of with your mouth saying this that and the other making me look bad (ho look another one) this not true i pay as well as the other man tax and more tax so when you down on your luck you think bad of people i say again pete sorry for that name i call you hope we can be good freinds all the best warren (winner)

Nice one warren takes a real person to say sorry and both of you have.

I think it was one of those misunderstandings from where im reading on the sidelines and when i read though your wifes post it was not to clear about your situation.

Most important thing is for you both to be sorted and of course Baby winner

I like many on here are not experienced in benefits, but will i know try and help if we can.

[andypaul]

Can I be FRANK as well, never liked the name KEITH?

Now if you were sensible you could be frank in sense

ok i'll get me coat, just mind that tumbleweed

[ginapeterb]

Mark

You are right, it does make a difference from this kind of post which kind of goes like this

"Hello everyone, my name is sexy lady, I come from Ilocos Norte, I am happy to be on this forum, peace and goodwill to all men, I was just wondering about my situation - I am married to a Filipino, he was on glue sniffing, he beat me, and forced me into slavery, he spend all the money on Tanduay and Hope, he is always sneaking around the barangay with his barkada.

Well this is my situation, recently about 2 months ago, my husband fell down a hole near the house, and was washed away by a typhoon, then roof fell of the house, and the caribao had to be attended by a vet.

I met my British BF on FH, he say he come to see me in 3 months, but I neeed to get my anulment, as my husband fell down the hole and was washed away by the typhoon, I have problems with my papers, also the magnetic strip on my passport is defaced, because my cousin pretended to be me when she apply at the American embassy.

I have 2 children with my husband, and my British BF he is married also, he say he get a divorce, and he pay for my anulment, he also say he is now on the Income POT !

Do you think Embassy give me visa, because I anxious to get to Uk soon, to work for my family, and pay vet bill for sick caribao.

Peace to all good men and thank you so much moderators for all your help, I am trusting you all understanding my predicament here....

God bless - God is loving to all you good men there in Hingand.

[LadyJ]

Its nice to know atleast one of our MOD here believes in GOD.

[gWaPito]

Now if you were sensible you could be frank in sense

ok i'll get me coat, just mind that tumbleweed

and we all lived happily everafter

[andypaul]

Mark

You are right, it does make a difference from this kind of post which kind of goes like this

"Hello everyone, my name is sexy lady, I come from Ilocos Norte, I am happy to be on this forum, peace and goodwill to all men, I was just wondering about my situation - I am married to a Filipino, he was on glue sniffing, he beat me, and forced me into slavery, he spend all the money on Tanduay and Hope, he is always sneaking around the barangay with his barkada.

Well this is my situation, recently about 2 months ago, my husband fell down a hole near the house, and was washed away by a typhoon, then roof fell of the house, and the caribao had to be attended by a vet.

I met my British BF on FH, he say he come to see me in 3 months, but I neeed to get my anulment, as my husband fell down the hole and was washed away by the typhoon, I have problems with my papers, also the magnetic strip on my passport is defaced, because my cousin pretended to be me when she apply at the American embassy.

I have 2 children with my husband, and my British BF he is married also, he say he get a divorce, and he pay for my anulment, he also say he is now on the Income POT !

Do you think Embassy give me visa, because I anxious to get to Uk soon, to work for my family, and pay vet bill for sick caribao.

Peace to all good men and thank you so much moderators for all your help, I am trusting you all understanding my predicament here....

God bless - God is loving to all you good men there in Hingand.

I see some of them posts pete (Winners not being one of them i might add) and think

[gWaPito]

Can I be FRANK as well, never liked the name KEITH?

Strangely thats what Gemma says to me on most nights ie; honey, I can be what ever you want me to be: Rasp:

[love8888]

hurray! peace to everybody

here is my song for everybody he he he

no fighting shakira... shakira.....



Keep smilin', keep shinin'
Knowin' you can always count on me, for sure
That's what friends are for
For good times and bad times
I'll be on your side forever more
That's what friends are for

[KeithD]

Its nice to know atleast one of our MOD here believes in GOD.

Ouch.....I just felt a dig

I've never said I do not believe a God cannot exist, but I have no proof one does either, but the weight of physical, real & quantum evidence suggests no, while any proof of a yes is non existent.

[andypaul]

Ouch.....I just felt a dig

I've never said I do not believe a God cannot exist, but I have no proof one does either, but the weight of physical, real & quantum evidence suggests no, while any proof of a yes is non existent.

Exactly lots of people think sherlock homles was a real person.

[joebloggs]

Ouch.....I just felt a dig

I've never said I do not believe a God cannot exist, but I have no proof one does either, but the weight of physical, real & quantum evidence suggests no, while any proof of a yes is non existent.

i thought it was aimed at me , only thing scouser keith believes in, is the horse he's backed in the 4:30 at kempton park

andypaul, the reason visa fees are so high now is the gov know people will pay, you don't have much of a choice, i've read on a blog, that someone tired to find out the details of the meeting where the new visa prices were decided using the freedom of information act, the home office said to him, it would take more than 15 hours to get the information he wanted, so it wasn't covered by the act, and it would charge him £46 an hour to get the information he wanted, as this is their hourly fee they charge..

so if i use the home office £46 an hour , ILR now costs £750 / £46 = 16 hours, i would like to know what they do for those 16 hours ? check with my bank - err no they cannot do that becuase of the data protection act, check with my boss, no after all the visa's i've applied for, no one has ever contacted my work asking about me, checked with my mom? nope !, so what do they do for the 16 hours . it would not take more than 1 hour to look and read all the evidence that i've sent for a visa app. its just another scam to make

[KeithD]

You can always contact the governments audit office, your MP & the European commission and ask them.

[LadyJ]

Breaking News today!!

As we are talking about Benefits/ HM Revenue & Customs here

The Tax Boss Quits after the records vanish

Two crucial CDs containing 25 million people's personal details have gone missing, the Chancellor has admitted.

The chairman of HM Revenue and Customs Paul Gray has quit as the country's top tax man over the matter.

The Metropolitan Police are "making inquiries" into the blunder and Alistair Darling has made a statement to the Commons.

They went missing after they were sent by TNT courier.

"The missing information contains details of all Child Benefit recipients: records for 25 million individuals and seven and a quarter million families," he told MPs.

He also revealed that the missing discs contain personal data including the names, National Insurance and bank details of millions of child benefit recipients.

It means that the personal details of every family in the country with a child under 16 have gone missing.

Mr Darling told the Commons: "I regard this as an extremely serious failure by HMRC in their responsibility to the public."

In a letter to HMRC staff, Mr Gray said: "I am announcing today that I will be standing down as HMRC Chairman as a result of a substantial operational failure in the Department.

"This is not the way I would have planned to organise my departure from HMRC."

The Prime Minister has expressed his "full confidence" in the Chancellor of the Exchequer but Sky News' Political Editor Adam Boulton said the implications for the Treasury were very serious.

I would expect this afternoon that from some quarters we will hear suggestions that Alistair Darling should resign, and his position has already been damaged by the Northern Rock crisis."

Conservative member of the House of Commons Treasury Committee Michael Fallon told Sky News Alistair Darling was in a precarious position.

"It will underline the growing feeling that we have a new chancellor who is not up to the job," he said.

Lib Dem leadership contender Chris Huhne said he was "flabbergasted" at the situation.

"It is a breach of trust and it is quite right that one head has a rolled, but if ministers knew about this, if they knew about the security problems, I'm afraid ministerial heads will have to roll as well."

More to read here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm

[LadyJ]

Q&A: Child benefit records lost
How worried should people be by the loss of discs containing child benefit recipients' personal details?

What has happened?

HM Revenue and Customs has lost computer discs containing the entire child benefit records, including the personal details of 25 million people - covering 7.25 million families overall. The two discs contain the names, addresses, dates of birth and bank account details of people who received child benefit. They also include National Insurance numbers.


How were the discs lost?

They were sent in normal internal mail from HMRC to the National Audit Office on 18 October, by someone at a low level, and never arrived, Mr Darling said. That broke data protection laws and is the reason Revenue and Customs chairman Paul Gray has resigned.

How worried should people be?

The details on the lost discs would be sought-after by fraudsters. Mr Darling said the Metropolitan Police were investigating but it is not known what has happened to the discs. Searches continue. Mr Darling says the information was password protected, but that was not good enough. He said there was no suggestion that anything untoward had happened as a result of the discs' loss to date. Experts say such data should normally be sent in encrypted form.

Analysis: How worried should we be?

How could the information be misused?

Banks say the information on its own would not be enough to allow someone access to your bank account, as other security information and passwords should be required. But the details would be enough for criminals to use in other types of fraud, such as setting up credit or financial agreements like mobile phone accounts. There may also be child protection concerns, as the discs contained names, addresses and dates of birth of children.


What are people advised to do?


Mr Darling said people should check their bank accounts for any "irregular activity"
He said there was no need for people to close accounts as the details would not be sufficient to allow fraudsters to access them
But people should not give out personal or account details "requested unexpectedly" by phone or by email
Banking industry body Apacs advised people who bank online to monitor accounts and change passwords if they are a child's name or date of birth
Contact your bank immediately, but only if you spot something suspicious as banks are expecting to be overwhelmed with calls
Banks also warn customers to be on the lookout for signs of ID theft and fraud - such as regular post like bank statements going missing, bills for items you have not bought, or letters approving or denying you credit you know nothing about

Is my money safe?

Mr Darling said there was no evidence of fraud or that the details had fallen into the "wrong hands", but said that anyone who loses money as a result of fraud resulting from the lost discs would be reimbursed. But he said there was no need for anyone to close their bank accounts.

How can I find out more?

Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs has set up a Child Benefit Helpline on 0845 302 1444 for customers who want more details.