sorry didnt mean to offend anyone here mention the names, my friend was confused to which one to join,when i menttioned to her the filipino forum and she tried to go to the site and after that she was telling me that she couldnt find me in the forum and she called me and i found out that she was in the other forum and not on this one. But looking at the dates in other site in every post, I think this forum is the pioneer one.