All the tough talk about taking the UK out of the European human rights agreement has come to nothing
Fearing a backbench rebellion and a major public outcry Cameron bottles it and kicks this idea into the long grass
Cameron proves again that politicians pledges before elections mean nothing
Yep how many weeks has he been PM? First pledge broken.
just like all the rest of the politicians
Erm is this the same Prime Minister who has kept to his pledge to hold a referendum in Europe-you conveniently forgot to mention thatOriginally Posted by London_Manila
All the tough talk about taking the Uk out of the European human rights agreement has come to nothing
Fearing a backbench rebellion and a major public outcry Cameron bottles it and kicks this idea into the long grass
Cameron proves again that politicians pledges before elections mean nothing
The human rights issue was not his main priority at all but it looks like they are working on it.
The issue is that if the bill won't get through the various stages to become law due to opposition from both Conservative and opposition MPs, and then the liberal biased House of Lords then it is a waste of time going for it until he can be sure it won't be a wasted effort. He needs to get the UK Bill of Rights which replaces the Act finished, sold to them etc. first.
We don't need a new bill, we just need some minor changes to the current one. But as we all know, you can't negotiate with FIFA...
Keith - Administrator
Yikes I'm agreeing with Keith again. That's twice in a month!
Before they won the election Les it was all the tough talk about the UK withdrawing from the European Human Rights AgreementErm is this the same Prime Minister who has kept to his pledge to hold a referendum in Europe-you conveniently forgot to mention that
The human rights issue was not his main priority at all but it looks like they are working on it.
The reality is that they dont have the support to push through this idea so I class that as deceiving the voters
they all the same too full of
Here's the latest update from around an hour ago.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32909896
's hardly an indication of Cameron reneging on his EU pledge.
... although, Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond does rather put me in mind of the undertaker
who [inadvertently] arranged for the disposal of my late mother's ashes without first consulting the family.
Disagree - the talk was mainly about a referendum for Europe - we will get that, regarding on deciding our own laws that will be tougher and maybe the only way to get that is to pull out of Europe
They've still got to get the bile out of their systems Les, I'm quite happy turning a deaf ear to the nonsense and having a snigger at the Labour Leadership shenanigans as we await the union barons to start bringing them into lineDisagree - the talk was mainly about a referendum for Europe - we will get that,regarding on deciding our own laws that will be tougher and maybe the only way to get that is to pull out of Europe
Just remember only 25% of the UK Population actually voted for the ToriesThey've still got to get the bile out of their systems Les, I'm quite happy turning a deaf ear to the nonsense and having a snigger at the Labour Leadership shenanigans as we await the union barons to start bringing them into line
I dont call that a mandate to govern and thats whats wrong with this first past the post system
Nice to see the employees of Network Rail giving Cameron and Co a good slap in the face
The right wing gutter press will trot out their usual nonsense about how could anyone in this day and age even think about going on strike and they should be lucky to have jobs
Well ...
The right wing gutter press will trot out their usual nonsense about how could anyone in this day and age even think about going on strike and they should be lucky to have jobs... they'd be spot-on there
for once!
It would be great to pull out of Europe, but we can't afford to!
Some people would rather be inside Jordan
Keith - Administrator
That's true Arthur but many unscrupulous employers out there use that as a stick to beat their workers withWell ...
Zero pay rises and awful terms and conditions
Thats why normal workers need the protection and advice a Union can offer
Unions are not about bankrupting any company they are there to get a better deal for the workers
unions have their place but not at the expense of creating conditions which affect other businesses,Also I could stomach it more if they are fully supported by members-we have had plenty of strikes where only as little as 20% have voted to strike-hardly democratic
All ballots are democratic Lesunions have their place but not at the expense of creating conditions which affect other businesses,Also I could stomach it more if they are fully supported by members-we have had plenty of strikes where only as little as 20% have voted to strike-hardly democratic
In most of these strike ballots and just like in the general election many people don't even bother voting
Its a bit rich when people like Boris Johnston start to demand certain percentages when as he was elected as London's Mayor the same percentages never applied to him
I just see these kind of demands as just moving the goalposts and very much like when the company owners try and get the strike called off on the grounds of some trivial legality
The Unions already have to jump through hoops to call any strike and the outcome of any democratic ballot should respected whatever the turnout
What is the next idea the Tories will dream up maybe a minimum percentage of the vote in favour of a strike
we can start of with 51% of the vote and eventually ending up with 100% with yearly increases
So no strikes unless 100% of all balloted people vote in favour of it
All ballots are democratic Les
In most of these strike ballots and just like in the general election many people don't even bother voting
Its a bit rich when people like Boris Johnston start to demand certain percentages when as he was elected as London's Mayor the same percentages never applied to him
I just see these kind of demands as just moving the goalposts and very much like when the company owners try and get the strike called off on the grounds of some trivial legality
The Unions already have to jump through hoops to call any strike and the outcome of any democratic ballot should respected whatever the turnout
What is the next idea the Tories will dream up maybe a minimum percentage of the vote in favour of a strike
we can start of with 51% of the vote and eventually ending up with 100% with yearly increases
So no strikes unless 100% of all balloted people vote in favour of it
Maybe the government should change the rules so that the first 4,000,000 votes don't count for anything
Keith - Administrator
We can, easily.It would be great to pull out of Europe, but we can't afford to!
Thing is, it's a bigger and more complex issue than the politicians are admitting to. Why for example did a prosperous country with a very different economy and trading partners sign up to the EU in the first place? I suspect it was a long term view of changing world politics and the need to.........use the school student scenario - join up with one gang so the other gangs don't pick on you.
The UK though if out the EU would immediately gain billions a year in saved funds, would regain control of huge fishing waters and would be free to trade with the rest of the world without EU tariffs.
The problem for the EU enthusiasts with their mantra of "They are our biggest trading partners, they would take sanctions, the factories are only here to gain a foothold in the EU" etc is that the balance of trading is hugely in the favour of the rest of the EU. Taking sanctions against the UK would be akin to cutting off more than your nose. They'd be forced through pragmatism to agree trading agreements.
In short, not much would change. What would change would be a decrease in Eastern European migration to the UK (Probably not from Poland as they have a long relationship with the UK going back many decades and there would probably be an arrangement there) and an increase in migration from the rest of the world, Australia and the Far East, and possibly India (If public opinion allowed). Open to debate if this is good or bad.
Anyway, the whole thing is a fudge. Cameron could go to the EU and almost demand anything. He could demand a much looser trading arrangement instead of full membership and the EU desperate to keep the UK on board would probably agree, but he isn't even demanding a reduction in the right of movement - something which most people are wanting.
They will fluster, pretend to object, then agree to what he's asking - making it look like he's won some huge concession. Then Cameron will come back and trumpet he's gained all this and say to vote to stay in. More proof - traditionally the "Yes" option is always for the change. He is fixing it so the "positive" yes option is to stay in, leaving those wanting change to campaign on the "no" option. The man is a fraud
At the end of the day you will have a choice in or out basically - how can he be a fraud
It will be up to the public.
Like the general Election - they got that right and deserted Labour
The public will vote to stay in by around 5%-10%. However, what worries Cameron is keeping his own clan happy when it comes to Europe. So, unlike John Major who took a stand against the rebels, Cameron looks like he is trying to get some concessions so that he keeps everyone happy.
We only need to make changes on what benefits immigrants can get, including tax credits, stop child benefit if the kid is not in the country, do not give immigrants priority housing (they can share like students), and more criminal checks.
If we break from the EU we would not have use of France's aircraft carrier every other Wednesday
Keith - Administrator
I'm taking your predictions with caution Keith,you were wrong on Labour getting in
I agree with what you say what needs to be done.
I think staying in would still be the best financial option tho
Even the professional Tory statisticians got that wrong.I'm taking your predictions with caution Keith,you were wrong on Labour getting in
Stay in or go out, the economics would not change. Some companies would leave, but with lower tariffs and incentives, others would come in. JCB have said the same.
Keith - Administrator
Nothing new there. Voting is a farce. You may as well pick a name out from a hat to decide which con artist runs the country.Cameron proves again that politicians pledges before elections mean nothing
Why Is it a farce ?
Someone has to run the country
Read the thread title.
Have done and challenged the headline!
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