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    Schengen Visa for France

    Hi all, My wife and I are going on holiday in France at the end of August. Has anyone got a list of documents needed as I am getting confused. Many thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahame 1 View Post
    Hi all , My wife and I are going on holiday in France at the end of August. Has anyone got a list of documents needed as I am getting confused. Many thanks
    Please review this link:-
    VISA Criteria for Spouses/Dependants of UK/EU Nationals

    What specifically confuses you?


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    Haha I read that, but last year when we went to Spain, I had to supply copies of holiday itinerary, insurance, travel tickets. Which I can't see on there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahame 1 View Post
    Haha I read that, but last year when we went to Spain, I had to supply copies of holiday itinerary, insurance, travel tickets. Which I can't see on there.
    Goalposts have changed a bit since my wife applied for a French Schengen but yes you do now have to show return tickets back to UK and not just a provisional booking.

    Accommodation as far as I know does not have to be shown if she's applying as a wife of an EU Citizen nor does insurance.

    Feel free to to go on TLS Contact website and give them a ring and they can give you the latest up to date requirements, you don't need to use them for the visa as they are only an agency for the French Embassy but I found them very helpful, Good Luck...


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    Thanks for that. I will give them a ring tomorrow


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahame 1 View Post
    Thanks for that. I will give them a ring tomorrow
    Yes ... best do that, Grahame. Like Mark and his wife, we applied for a Schengen Visa for my wife prior to visiting Paris, but that was more than 5 years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by marksroomspain View Post
    Goalposts have changed a bit since my wife applied for a French Schengen but yes you do now have to show return tickets back to UK and not just a provisional booking.

    Accommodation as far as I know does not have to be shown if she's applying as a wife of an EU Citizen nor does insurance.

    Feel free to to go on TLS Contact website and give them a ring and they can give you the latest up to date requirements, you don't need to use them for the visa as they are only an agency for the French Embassy but I found them very helpful, Good Luck...
    NO Embassy should ask for return reservations (let alone fully paid bookings which are not even required for regular applicants!). A letter from the EU national should be dnough but some backwards/silly embassies seem to love bureaucracy a little too much. If you already have a reservation you can supply it but there is no EU requirement to do so. It might be more practical to give in to silly requests though (and report them to the EU such as via Solvit, the EU parlaiment etc. so that the French will be set straight by those higher up the chain).

    Quote Originally Posted by EU Schengen handbook
    PART III: SPECIFIC RULES RELATING TO APPLICANTS WHO ARE FAMILY
    MEMBERS OF EU CITIZENS OR SWISS CITIZENS

    Legal basis: Visa Code, Article 1 (2) (a) and (b )

    Under Article 21 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, every European
    Union citizen has the right to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member
    States, subject to the limitations and conditions laid down in the Treaty and by the measures
    adopted to give it effect. These limitations and conditions are set out in Directive
    2004/38/EC14 on the rights of Union citizens and their family members to move freely within
    the territory of the Member States.

    The right of free movement of EU citizens would not have any useful effect without
    accompanying measures guaranteeing that this right is also given to their families. Therefore
    the Directive extends the right to free movement to family members of EU citizens. Article 5
    (2), 2nd sub-paragraph of the Directive provides that "Member States shall grant [family
    members covered by the Directive] every facility to obtain the necessary visas. Such visas
    must be issued free of charge as soon as possible and on the basis of an accelerated
    procedure.".

    As Directive 2004/38/EC represents a lex specialis15 16 with regard to the Visa Code, the Visa
    Code fully applies where the Directive does not provide an explicit rule but refers to general
    "facilities".

    (....)

    3. SPECIFIC DEROGATIONS FROM THE GENERAL RULES OF THE VISA CODE

    This point provides for operational instructions concerning the specific derogations from the
    general rules of the Visa Code that are to be applied when it has been ascertained that the visa
    applicant falls under the Directive and that there is no exemption from the visa requirement.

    3.1. Visa Fee
    No visa fee can be charged.

    3.2. Service fee in case of outsourcing of the collection of applications
    As family members should not pay any fee when submitting the application, they cannot be
    obliged to obtain an appointment via a premium call line or via an external provider whose
    services are charged to the applicant. Family members must be allowed to lodge their
    application directly at the consulate without any costs. However, if family members decide
    not to make use of their right to lodge their application directly at the consulate but to use the
    extra services, they should pay for these services.
    If an appointment system is nevertheless in place, separate call lines (at ordinary local tariff)
    to the consulate should be put at the disposal of family members respecting comparable
    standards to those of "premium lines", i.e. the availability of such lines should be of standards
    comparable to those in place for other categories of applicants and an appointment must be
    allocated without delay.

    3.3. Granting every facility
    Member States shall grant third country family members of EU citizens falling under the
    Directive every facility to obtain the necessary visa. This notion must be interpreted as
    ensuring that Member States take all appropriate measures to ensure fulfilment of the
    obligations arising out of the right of free movement and afford to such visa applicants the
    best conditions to obtain the entry visa.

    3.4. Processing time
    The visas must be issued as soon as possible and on the basis of an accelerated procedure and
    the procedures put in place by Member States (with or without outsourcing) must allow to
    distinguish between the rights of a third country national who is a family member of an EU
    citizen and other third country nationals. The former must be treated more favourably than the
    latter.
    Processing times for a visa application lodged by a third-country national who is a family
    member of an EU citizen covered by the Directive going beyond 15 days should be
    exceptional and duly justified.


    3.5. Types of visa issued
    Article 5(2) of the Directive provides that third-country nationals who are family members of
    EU citizens may only be required to have an entry visa in accordance with Regulation (EC)
    No 539/2001.

    3.6. Supporting documents
    In order to prove that the applicant has the right to be issued with an entry visa under the
    Directive, he must establish that he is a beneficiary of the Directive. This is done by:
    presenting documents relevant for the purposes of the three questions referred to above, i.e.
    proving that:
    - There is an EU citizen from whom the visa applicant can derive any rights;
    the visa applicant is a family member (e.g. a marriage certificate, birth certificate,
    proof of dependency, serious health grounds, durability of partnerships ) and

    - his identity (passport);

    - and the visa applicant accompanies or joins an EU citizen (e.g. a proof that the EU
    citizen already resides in the host Member State or a confirmation that the EU
    citizen will travel to the host Member State).

    It is an established principle of EU law in the area of free movement that visa applicants have
    the right of choice of the documentary evidence by which they wish to prove that they are
    covered by the Directive (i.e. of the family link, dependency ). Member States may,
    however, ask for specific documents (e.g. a marriage certificate as the means of proving the
    existence of marriage), but should not refuse other means of proof.
    For further information in relation to the documentation, see Commission Communication
    COM (2009) 313 final22.

    3.7. Burden of proof
    The burden of proof applicable in the framework of the visa application under the Directive is
    twofold:
    Firstly, it is up to the visa applicant to prove that he is a beneficiary of the Directive. He must
    be able to provide documentary evidence foreseen above as he must be able to present
    evidence to support his claim.
    If he fails to provide such evidence, the consulate can conclude that the applicant is not
    entitled to the specific treatment under the Directive.
    Additional documents may not be required regarding the purpose of travel and means of
    subsistence (e.g. proof of accommodation, proof of cost of travelling),
    which is reflected in
    the exemption for family members of EU citizens from filling in the following fields of the
    visa application form:
    Source: PDF handbook for embassy staff on http://ec.europa.eu/...cy/index_en.htm


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