Filipino nurse accused

[andypaul]

i was talking about what bornabirth said, that he would give them a benefit of a courting hearing, becuase of what dom said, but he had already admitted it, and i'm sure the police could have got dna evidence so he had no choice but to admit having sex with her.. but as for rape, well only he and the girl know what really happened..

i know the case you mean Stefan Kiszko spent 16 years for a murder he didn't commit but with dna evidence now,. chances of someone being made to confess must be rare. i don't think they had dna testing techniques, like they do now.. yes it's sad that he suffered. and i think he died less than a year after he had been freed...

Look at the confusion with the DNA samples in the madeline case and im glad you have faith enough to belive the authorities (remeber those that sent us to war due to the overwhelming evidence?). If one of the parents had cracked and confessed the police and authorities may not have bothered with further tests.

DNA is not foolproof for sure yet, carbon dating test have been found to be way off and at the time they said it was dead accurate and as someone involved in new technolgy im sure your aware of the claims made and how they are shown to not quite be true quite often.

Like i say unlikely but i would still prefer to wait for all the evidence to be weighed up before condeming someone.

[aromulus]

Look at the confusion with the DNA samples in the madeline case
DNA is not foolproof for sure yet,

DNA is foolproof.
One of my wine buyers, is head in a fancy laboratory and he told me that.

The Madeleine case....
The cops in Portugal messed up in good style from the start.
The kids from the same parents have the same DNA, or so I am told.
So whatever they think they found in the hire car, or other places, could belong to one of the twins and not Maddie.

[andypaul]

DNA is foolproof.
One of my wine buyers, is head in a fancy laboratory and he told me that.

The Madeleine case....
The cops in Portugal messed up in good style from the start.
The kids from the same parents have the same DNA, or so I am told.
So whatever they think they found in the hire car, or other places, could belong to one of the twins and not Maddie.

We all know the cops buggered up from the start. With the scene not closed of straight away evidence not gathered for months.

I quickly googled Dna testing and there can be mutations between parents and children which they cant explain. These then stay the same but mean the parents and childrens dna is different i presume in some cases.

The way i understand it is the DNA for children will be very similar but silghty different due to the inheritance of alleles of the natural parents.
So one child normally have more of the mother the other the father and a various mix very unlikely to be bang on.
But then someone may one day tell may tell us its affected by the storage that the sperm and or eggs for test tube babies which i belive madeline was and/or the twins.

I.e they are very accurate but only time will tell if they are as accurate as they claim to be.

One clinic which tests to see if siblings with the same mothers have the same fathers, claims in 20 percent of cases when testing siblings it would be imossible to tell due to the shared genetic info is the same as that held by most of the general population.

So would be unable to determine full or half sibling relationship was held in those cases!

I know slighty of the beaten track but what it says to me is once they were saying its fool proof, now they say well yes there are some flaws and blind spots.

The guy in this case was gulity, but i know one day i will read a case where a person or persons was convicted on DNA proof which after an amount of time will be proven to be incorrect or the evidence abused by those wonderful boys and girls in blue.

Look at the doubt in the barry geroge case with the speck of gunpowder they found in his jacket.

[joebloggs]

DNA is foolproof.
One of my wine buyers, is head in a fancy laboratory and he told me that.

The Madeleine case....
The cops in Portugal messed up in good style from the start.
The kids from the same parents have the same DNA, or so I am told.
So whatever they think they found in the hire car, or other places, could belong to one of the twins and not Maddie.

how does he know the cops messed up?? where's he got this from the newspapers ??

i thought the dna tests were done in this country not in portugal ,, yes twins have the same dna, so i would have thought any dna from the twins and parents could be ruled out and any other dna found could be Anaylized to see if it could be maddies...

as for the filipino nurse, he admitted he had sex with her, wether it was rape or not, or knowing both sides of the story, hes admitted the charge of sexual activity with a child under 18 by a person in a position of trust, and thats what he will be sentanced for.. what excuse he has or what's his side of the story for that charge ?? , there is no excuse for it..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/7144228.stm

he should get the same sentance as what teachers get, who are gulity of the same offense, only in this country would he get suspended with pay since june .... also he could only get a caution for it and hes has to sign on the Sex Offenders Register, surely he should have been sacked as soon as he admitted the first charge

[aromulus]

how does he know the cops messed up?? where's he got this from the newspapers ??

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as for the filipino nurse, he admitted he had sex with her, wether it was rape or not, or knowing both sides of the story, hes admitted the charge of sexual activity with a child under 18 by a person in a position of trust, and thats what he will be sentanced for.. what excuse he has or what's his side of the story for that charge ?? , there is no excuse for it..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/7144228.stm

The cops messed up, in my view, by not securing and collecting vital evidence immediately.
Leaking details to the press and generally not being very clever by not sealing all borders, just in case Maddie was being transported out of the country.

As for Randy Oliver the nurse, he deserves anything he gets jail wise, but I would not be in the least surprised if he was to spend a couple of months at one of HM's leisure centres, with the rest suspended, and then back at work.... We will see... With this Goverment record on failed and bogus deportations he ain't going far.

[andypaul]

The cops messed up, in my view, by not securing and collecting vital evidence immediately.
Leaking details to the press and generally not being very clever by not sealing all borders, just in case Maddie was being transported out of the country.

As for Randy Oliver the nurse, he deserves anything he gets jail wise, but I would not be in the least surprised if he was to spend a couple of months at one of HM's leisure centres, with the rest suspended, and then back at work.... We will see... With this Goverment record on failed an
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d bogus deportations he ain't going far.

Most likely he will end up in charge of a childrens hospital knowing the messed up ways of the world.

I think the Madeline case which the media for whatever reason seized on straight away and the parents taking such a PR intensive course of action threw things all over the place. I doubt if a child went missing in the UK wheter straight away, they would seal the UK's borders or even look more than a few miles away. Look how long it takes them to react to any crime.

The way the parents and their family seemed to discuss this crime which would have in this country being discouraged by the police and legal team to prevent sub jucidy issues and the lack of a right to a fair trial being suggested by the suspects legal team problems and in portugal they had different laws which certain parts of the Media were critcal of which didn't go down well in the whole of portugal. With the police and nation being portrayed as some backward country. That the UK with its perfect policing would have the crime solved by lunchtime.

I feel IMO that the Police were as indivuals at local level not impressed by this parents going out drinking while leaving there kids away from them. Again people bringing in their personal feelings into an investigation which may well have affected it.

[aromulus]

I feel IMO that the Police were as indivuals at local level not impressed by this parents going out drinking while leaving there kids away from them. Again people bringing in their personal feelings into an investigation which may well have affected it.

Yup.....

You hit the nail on the head...

Also the fact that in most countries on the continent, you are guilty until proven innocent....

[joebloggs]

not just your average parents, they are professionals, she's a gp and hes a consultant, must have a combined income of at least 150k a year, and they couldn't get a baby sitter , i wouldn't or never would even think of leaving my 7 year old alone, never mind a 5yr old and 2yr old twins...

and i believe that many of the group were doctors you would have thought they should know better

[joebloggs]

With this Goverment record on failed and bogus deportations he ain't going far.

that not just the gov, its the courts or should i say judges who allow them to stay.. human rights even thou they've committed crimes and done time in prison here.