Europe and Britex

[stevewool]

You know, people are so against voting to stay in EU because they think big businesses and the government want us to stay in for some sinister reason like lining their own pockets, so what, these are the ones that provide employment in the UK and we should be helping them to profit by voting to stay in the EU

You may be right there , they do provide employment to the UK but its who they want for these jobs, cheap labour,
If you was in the market for Employment or have a young family to look after , would you still welcome everyone in Europe to come here and get the jobs that you are in, but are working for the low pay that they are offering these Europeans ,
Look hard about the future for England , once you make your vote on the 23rd there will be no going back ,

[jonnijon]

To join the Common Market as it was called, seemed a good idea at the time. The country was being run by the unions, beer and sandwiches were being delivered to the front door of number 10.
Car workers were on strike about three times a week, the country was in a dire state. Wilson was about as much good as a chocolate teapot. Then Jolly Rodger came along (Heath) Less said about him the better.

I was in the fishing industry in those days, and we fought hard and long not to join because we knew what was going to happen to our industry.

[Longweekend]

To listen to some of the UK sea fishing industry people and how they can look out to sea and see European boats catching fish but they cannot is criminal...

[Longweekend]

If you read the Sunday Express front headline is says '12 million Turks want to come to the UK', now that would certainly put pressure on the NHS and schools.....

[London_Manila]

You know, people are so against voting to stay in EU because they think big businesses and the government want us to stay in for some sinister reason like lining their own pockets, so what, these are the ones that provide employment in the UK and we should be helping them to profit by voting to stay in the EU

Don't you think that this country has enough Eastern Europeans working here already ?

Cheap labour is all they are and it has been proven that the influx of Eastern Europeans keeps wages low

Only when there are no Eastern Europeans around who are willing to work for peanuts will the greedy fat cats start to up the wages and attract British people who by the way are not lazy but they wont work for peanuts

Big business wants to keep the supply of cheap labour coming in and thats why they want us to remain in the European Union

Big business does not care about the normal British born worker they care about their share holders and lining their own pockets

Spare a thought for the normal British born worker who is trying to support his family and who cant really exist on the same wages as like the Eastern Europeans do but their outgoings are low living up to 20 in 1 house

Surely if house prices go down 20% thats a good thing and i would welcome it

[fred]

Don't you think that this country has enough Eastern Europeans working here already ?

Cheap labour is all they are and it has been proven that the influx of Eastern Europeans keeps wages low

Only when there are no Eastern Europeans around who are willing to work for peanuts will the greedy fat cats start to up the wages and attract British people who by the way are not lazy but they wont work for peanuts

Big business wants to keep the supply of cheap labour coming in and thats why they want us to remain in the European Union

Big business does not care about the normal British born worker they care about their share holders and lining their own pockets

Spare a thought for the normal British born worker who is trying to support his family and who cant really exist on the same wages as like the Eastern Europeans do but their outgoings are low living up to 20 in 1 house

Surely if house prices go down 20% thats a good thing and i would welcome it

Well said!!

[Michael Parnham]

If you read the Sunday Express front headline is says '12 million Turks want to come to the UK', now that would certainly put pressure on the NHS and schools.....

Ignore all newspapers they just print rubbish, there's no way 12million Turks will ever enter this country. The one thing I would like to see is people with self inflicted health problems and Eastern Europeans take out insurance to pay for any NHS treatment!

[Ako Si Jamie]

Don't you think that this country has enough Eastern Europeans working here already ?

Cheap labour is all they are and it has been proven that the influx of Eastern Europeans keeps wages low

Only when there are no Eastern Europeans around who are willing to work for peanuts will the greedy fat cats start to up the wages and attract British people who by the way are not lazy but they wont work for peanuts

Big business wants to keep the supply of cheap labour coming in and thats why they want us to remain in the European Union

Big business does not care about the normal British born worker they care about their share holders and lining their own pockets

Spare a thought for the normal British born worker who is trying to support his family and who cant really exist on the same wages as like the Eastern Europeans do but their outgoings are low living up to 20 in 1 house

Surely if house prices go down 20% thats a good thing and i would welcome it

[stevewool]

Ignore all newspapers they just print rubbish, there's no way 12million Turks will ever enter this country. The one thing I would like to see is people with self inflicted health problems and Eastern Europeans take out insurance to pay for any NHS treatment!

So if we ignore all newspapers because all they print is rubbish, tell me where you get your news from to convince you that staying is better,
I agree with you that some of the papers do print rubbish,
And whats this rubbish about Eastern Europeans taking out insurance to pay for NHS treatment , Your Europe will throw that out straight away because it against there human rights,

[Longweekend]

I find it difficult to understand some people, it's not rocket science to work out that up to 1.5 million Europeans that we apparently now have in the UK do not put pressure on our schools, doctors and hospitals. Er.. wonder why we have a housing crisis?..... The quicker we leave the better...

[stevewool]

I find it difficult to understand some people, it's not rocket science to work out that up to 1.5 million Europeans that we apparently now have in the UK do not put pressure on our schools, doctors and hospitals. Er.. wonder why we have a housing crisis?..... The quicker we leave the better...

Some people dont want to see, or they dont have children or they dont have work so it does not bother them

[stevewool]

Staying in Europe will be the best for us they say, we can control who comes in and we can share information about bad people from all parts of Europe and not let these people in , AND THATS ONLY IF WE STAY IN,
Well what happened when this rapist came in from Romanian after serving part of his sentence , he committed a offense here and it was then found out about his past,
He was deported straight away, Fantastic you may say but hold on,
Hes back here in Britain because his crimes was not deemed bag enough to be deported and it breaks EU law to send him back to his own country,
So where was this so called sharing information about bad people , Europe what a joke

[Michael Parnham]

Some people dont want to see, or they dont have children or they dont have work so it does not bother them

Whatever the outcome I wont lose sleep over it at least I will have done my bit and hopefully life will be just the same

[Tawi2]

We all have differing viewpoints,thats the good thing about being individual still going to vote OUT though albania wants to get in,the albanian mafia already have a foothold in the country,prostitution and people smuggling primarily

[stevewool]

The biggest problem whether you want to stay in Europe or vote out is everyone is lying to us,
This morning on the Andrew Marr show they had a chap from the NHS and all's well until he joins in about if we pull out we will loose all these migrant workers, we employ 10s of thousands from Europe he said and come the 24th of June they all would have to leave, what utter bullshit,
Even Andrew said that's wrong and you employ more people from Asia but that was past under the table so quick .
If we pull out it may be tuff if we stay it may be tuff too,but just like you Michael I will not loose any sleep either as yours and my life will just go on

[Michael Parnham]

The biggest problem whether you want to stay in Europe or vote out is everyone is lying to us,
This morning on the Andrew Marr show they had a chap from the NHS and all's well until he joins in about if we pull out we will loose all these migrant workers, we employ 10s of thousands from Europe he said and come the 24th of June they all would have to leave, what utter bullshit,
Even Andrew said that's wrong and you employ more people from Asia but that was past under the table so quick .
If we pull out it may be tuff if we stay it may be tuff too,but just like you Michael I will not loose any sleep either as yours and my life will just go on

NHS have people in Manila at the moment recruiting nurses

[stevewool]

NHS have people in Manila at the moment recruiting nurses

So why did this chap not say that, rather then saying they employ more people from Europe who help the hospitals the old age people homes and the care workers, again utter crap coming from someone who says we must stay in Europe

[Arthur Little]

Out for me,cameron is backing turkeys membership,turkey with its 97% landmass in asia,thats 77 million islamic brethren,and its porous borders,and turkey with its backhand isis oil deals etc,out.

Turkey ... or 95 percent of it, may be in Asia. But the remaining 5% of its landmass - including it's LARGEST city, Istanbul - is in Europe, so technically speaking ... ... it is part of the Parliamentary Republic of Eurasia.

[stevewool]

The more you read and listen about Europe the more you understand that we should have to get out,
What is Europe, is it a world super power that wants to compete with the rest of the world in everything , or is it a trading super power,
Like many are saying now, look at Turkey, its a country that has no care for its people , so whats going to happen to this so called human rights when they get started ,
Turkey is the key to help manage the migrant crisis and for there help Europe will help them fast track into joining Europe along with the rest of the countries that are members,
Not long ago there was war in Europe, mass killings and i bet there is still hatred between the factors, but hang about they are part of this big party too,
What other new countries are heading into this giant party who has nothing to offer at all but are willing to take everything,
We cannot support everyone and i an sure Europe cannot support everyone too,
The European monster has become to large and this is the time for parts of it to break off, and that is what Europe is so frightened of

[Michael Parnham]

The more you read and listen about Europe the more you understand that we should have to get out,
What is Europe, is it a world super power that wants to compete with the rest of the world in everything , or is it a trading super power,
Like many are saying now, look at Turkey, its a country that has no care for its people , so whats going to happen to this so called human rights when they get started ,
Turkey is the key to help manage the migrant crisis and for there help Europe will help them fast track into joining Europe along with the rest of the countries that are members,
Not long ago there was war in Europe, mass killings and i bet there is still hatred between the factors, but hang about they are part of this big party too,
What other new countries are heading into this giant party who has nothing to offer at all but are willing to take everything,
We cannot support everyone and i an sure Europe cannot support everyone too,
The European monster has become to large and this is the time for parts of it to break off, and that is what Europe is so frightened of

Steve, if you think that what you say is right just vote out, don't let it get at you, calm down and tell us what's been happening at work recently, I love it when you tell us what some of your drivers have been up to

[stevewool]

Michael am calm and I will vote out too, but it's when people are telling you lies and then other people are saying I am aright jack,
You have every right to vote in but it's OK to tell us your reasons for that, all I am saying is my reason for my voting out

[Trefor]

From Boris Johnson this morning (via his Facebook feed):

Thanks to an unexpected wormhole in the space-time continuum, I have come across the following passage from a historical textbook a few decades hence. It is a chapter called “Brexit”…

It is now generally agreed among historians that Britain’s departure from the EU really began in 1991, a quarter of a century before the famous “Brexit” referendum. It was then that the UK government took the controversial decision to opt out of the third stage of European monetary union – thereby ensuring that the British people would be able to keep the pound sterling, rather than being forced to use the euro. When this historic rupture was confirmed by the Labour government, in 2003, there was widespread condemnation from those in British banking and business who were traditionally nervous of being left out of any European project, as well as from some politicians.

As time went on, the decision looked better and better. By imposing a one-size-fits-all monetary policy on very different economies, the euro became a disaster. Unprecedented levels of unemployment were experienced in some Mediterranean countries. The French were sunk in malaise. The Greek economy shrank by a quarter. And yet the entire energies of the EU political class were devoted to rescuing this project.

So when the British had their long-delayed referendum, in June 2016, they were being offered the worst of both worlds. They did not use the euro (whatever its supposed benefits), but there were at least two major ways in which – through membership of the EU – the British were exposed to the consequences of the euro catastrophe.

The first was immigration. Thanks largely to the decision to keep the pound, and the flexibility that went with an independent monetary policy, the UK was a zone of relatively high growth – a comparative El Dorado of job creation. This meant that the UK experienced substantial waves of immigration by people in search of work, partly from eastern Europe but also from the southern countries that had been devastated by the euro. The British were traditionally welcoming, but they could see the pressures of uncontrolled immigration on the NHS and other services. They were alarmed that the influx was about 330,000 a year, unsure that they wanted this surge to help push national population to a predicted 70 or 80 million.

They were disappointed when the UK government’s “renegotiation” of the terms of EU membership failed entirely to restore control of immigration to the UK authorities. They were also increasingly unsettled by the realisation – as the campaign went on – that it was not possible to vote for the status quo. The EU had plainly changed out of all recognition from the Common Market that they had voted for in 1975.

In their desperation to save the euro, the Brussels authorities had set an ambitious agenda to go further and faster with a United States of Europe. Reading the fine print, the British discovered that there was nothing they could do to veto such moves – towards a fiscal and political union, as detailed in the “Five Presidents’ Report”. Nor could they stop further centralisation from applying to Britain.

By the spring of 2016, many electors were thinking that the EU was moving in completely the wrong direction. With some polls even predicting a Vote to Leave, a highly nervous UK government resorted to a series of scare tactics. Hysterical claims were made about house prices, food prices, World War Three and other nonexistent bogeymen. The American president was prevailed upon to campaign for the UK to remain – even though, as he was repeatedly reminded, the US would not dream of compromising its independence in the manner required of EU members.

As the brow-beating and scare stories intensified, many began to suspect that the government campaign to “Remain” was driven not so much by an enthusiasm for the Brussels system, but simple fear of the political embarrassment entailed in a Vote to Leave. The Leave campaigners focused on the anti-democratic nature of the EU. They noted the not insignificant expense of membership – £350 million a week, all in – and the inability of the Remain campaign to show that the UK’s net contribution of £10 billion a year was well spent.

They demonstrated that EU legislation now inspired 60 per cent of all primary and secondary legislation at Westminster, and that the costs of this torrent of laws were running at about £600 million a week for British business – even though only 6 per cent of UK businesses actually traded with other EU countries. They convincingly showed that claims of UK “influence” in Brussels were laughable, given that only 3.6 per cent of EU commission officials actually came from the UK. They pointed out that plenty of non-EU countries had done better than Britain at exporting to the vaunted “single market”; that global free trade was legally impossible for Britain while in the EU; and in the end it was hard to resist the conclusion that the EU was an anachronism – outdated in a digital age in which people could shop across frontiers at the click of a mouse.

Given the choice between taking back control or being sucked ever deeper into a federal superstate, the British voted for independence on June 23. To no one’s very great surprise, Project Fear turned out to be a giant hoax. The markets were calm. The pound did not collapse. The British government immediately launched a highly effective and popular campaign across the Continent to explain that this was not a rejection of “Europe”, only of the supranational EU institutions; and a new relationship was rapidly forged based on free trade and with traditional British leadership on foreign policy, crime-fighting, intelligence-sharing and other intergovernmental cooperation.

The British felt suddenly and unexpectedly galvanised – with a renewed confidence in their democracy, and excitement about the new opportunities for global trade and partnership. The Brexit vote was followed by a powerful campaign for reform in Europe, and a widespread euphoria that at least one population had plucked up the courage to say that the emperor had no clothes.
After only a few years it became increasingly hard to find anyone who would confess to having voted Remain.

[Arthur Little]

... GREAT find, Trefor!

[stevewool]

I do hope that is how it will be trefor

[Tawi2]

Turkey ... or 95 percent of it, may be in Asia. But the remaining 5% of its landmass - including it's LARGEST city, Istanbul - is in Europe, so technically speaking ... ... it is part of the Parliamentary Republic of Eurasia.

No,half of istanbul lies on the european side of the Bosphorus and one on the asian isde,its 97% asian landmass with a majority muslim population,if it looks like a duck,walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck it sure aint a swan.

[Tawi2]

I grew up in an age when british passports were blue,and this small island was marked on a map as Great Britain,there wasnt a Great Italy,nor a Great Germany or even a Great Europe,but there WAS a Great Britain,theres a reason mother nature in hernwisdom gave us the channel to seperate us and give us individuality,i DONT want to be swallowed up and become a european,i dont want to walk down the street and hear every language under the sun EXCEPT english spoken by the people i pass,i dont want politicians to proudly boast how multicultural London is,a multiculturalism the politico spin doctors forced upon us and tell us its good for us while labelling us racist if we complain,i really would like my countries identity and culture to be kept intact,as the dragons in the den are fond of saying,I am OUT!

[Trefor]

It looks to me like the past few months have resulted in ... not much change in uk.population's views:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...hip_referendum

While I distrust polls, all roads point to a REMAIN vote.

(I'm voting LEAVE by the way).

[Terpe]

Nice find Trefor

I believe that's the way it would be following an 'out' vote.

As Steve says, I too hope that's the way it will go.

[Tawi2]

The beginning of the end,brit born children ousted by foreign kids,shameful :http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...arents-work-UK

[Terpe]

The beginning of the end,brit born children ousted by foreign kids,shameful :http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...arents-work-UK

Well I too am not happy with the headline, but in fairness the circumstances of not being able to always secure a place at first choice of school is not a new.
It's been happening for over 30 years.