Right Class yes it was me that mentioned that, personally i would define Steve as "middle class" from what i gather he has a management job, Owns his own House, drives an old Knacker like me, and from what i gather from his posts aint short of a bob or two, now i have today been talking to an old school friend of mine who i rarely see, we asked about where various people were these days,he mentioned a guy of our age Bracket who has gone totally the opposite way to Steve, his family owned property a Indoor Market which had about 30 stalls on it, and was thriving back in the day, and owned a large Plot of land which they rented to Fairground people, plus they owned, and ran there own Bicycle/Sports shop in a prime position in the Town, and of course had there own House in a nice area, we regarded this chap as a spoilt brat who never wanted for anything, and always wanted things his own way, except when i dropped him from the football Team

he was a Drummer in his own Band mostly because he had money, and picked and chose who he wanted in the Band.
Nowadays he lives in a Council house in the roughest part of the Town, and hasnt worked for the last 10 years when he was a Window Cleaner, nothing wrong with being a Window Cleaner Iv done a bit of that myself in my time, basically there isnt any lower for him to go.
Me i was born to a single parent family when to be a bar steward was frowned upon

we didnt have any electricity, but we had a Brewhouse across the yard where we had a Boiler with a fire underneath which we used on Washing Day usually a monday

and the obligatory outside toilet, the street lights were Gas lights, and our street was cobbled, many a time when we didnt have any money i raided the dustbins of a local shop, to find any dented Tins of food which they had thrown out, or walked the nearby Railway line to find coal from the Trains so that we could have a fire. That to me then was the haves and have nots.
Nowadays i dont own a property that went when i got divorced she had a cut from the property, i got the remaining Mortgage to pay off having given her most of my savings (her share) rather than sell the house, eventually a partner (not live in) of mine paid of the Mortgage with the proviso that if we eventually sold the house we would split any profits.. it was sold when i went to the Philippines early last year im still waiting for my share

this brings me to where i am now living in a rented apartment, and about to become officially retired later this month.
Now make up your own minds about what class is, i know for sure i was born to the lowest having had no food on the table at times, at other times barely had clothes on my back, i know my old school friend was far better off than me, and always liked the best things in life, but one things for sure no matter what class we are, we all piss in a similar pot..

Sometimes things are beyond our control, life is decided by decisions that we make, sometimes its dictated to by the timing of things. Should i have stayed in an unhappy, and dangerous marriage for the sake of having a comfortable life with our own house, despite the fact that i was the only earner and the 4 of us smoked ? No i just wished i had done it years earlier, which is what i meant by timings.
I think Class nowadays is probably best described as what income Bracket we are in, but there are still people born to money who speak properly, write correctly who have come down for whatever reason, and there are people like Steve, and me who have our own class and dont give a Toss what other people think, except our nearest and dearest, and really thats all that matters in Life.. amen.
