citizenship 2 years after ILR ??

[joebloggs]

looks like the gov might be changing it to 2 years after you have ILR to apply for citizenship from the 1yr it is now..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

[darren-b]

Probably won't effect many people on here as the 1 year rule never applied to spouses of British citizens.

"Unless you are married to or the civil partner of a British citizen, you should have been free from immigration time restrictions during the last 12 months of the residential qualifying period."

[andypaul]

Seems to be talking about those on non spouse visas in the examples but i presume they would want to change these as well.

Someone really needs to find the orignal white paper if possible, as we all know the daily mail like any paper will have its own slant on things.

[darren-b]

The Green (?) Paper is now on the BIA web site if anyone is interested in reading it.

[andypaul]

The Green (?) Paper is now on the BIA web site if anyone is interested in reading it.

The green paper is here in all its greenesshttp://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/sit...unchescontract

[andypaul]

Heres an idea of the time line

A quote form the above website

These reforms to the immigration system will be backed up with a new single piece of legislation, replacing all existing immigration laws, which will be introduced to Parliament in November this year. This is designed to make immigration law more straightforward and transparent and make the UK's immigration system more effective.

So its introduced to parliment in november so may not be enacted for a while if there are lots of objections etc.
and a green paper is not one that glows in the dark or biodegradable but.

Green Papers are consultation documents produced by the Government. When a government department is considering introducing a new law, it will usually put together a discussion document called a Green Paper. The aim of this document is to allow people to debate the subject and give the department feedback on its suggestions.

[andypaul]

After a quick shifty the key changes for spouses which would be the main concerns from my non legal mumbo jumbo reading brain.

Are

Demostrate English though life in uk test or moving up a grade at esol (as before)

Prove they can suport themselves so maybe worth keeping paper works untill citzenship is completed even once you have ILR. Just in case..

Not getting aressted or comiting crimes is generally a good rule to follow for all.

proving good citzenship and speeding up the process though good works which seems the grey area.

I can see certain groups finding this easy to complete while others who have full time jobs and no flexible way of helping others will have to wait.
For example if your Phill spouse or partner works full time and has to commute and works flexible hours non routine 9-5 they may find it impossible. Those with a family will have an even harder time

There seems to be

tempoary residence

say spouse visa or work visa

after two years
Probationary citzenship which would be in the place of ilr

then there is the choice of permant residence or british citzenship, after a certain time with citzenship meaning you have to fufill more requirments.

I did a quick search of spouse and only one mention regarding bereaved spouses

Although i don't think all the ideas will follow thoough it all seems to well thought out to be totally forgotten. With a huge recession on its way the goverment will want to restrict enefits to as many as possible so will look for ways whicch this seems to hint at.

[joebloggs]

yes but it will probably will happen..

just liked the gov non euro docs, the gov lost the case, and now the gov is going to the house of lords at the end of this month to over turn it.

they've pushed up visa fees, life in the uk test, changed those on workpermits from 4 to 5 years in the uk b4 they could apply for ILR, new points system for workpermits and HSMP.

the proposed laws on isp banning those who download 'copywrited' material..

more green, white and papers from the gov, it's going to be a very unpopular gov

as for benefits, if a european has worked in the uk for a year, they can claim benefits, someone on a spouse visa needs ILR thats 2 years, for a workpermit i think they need ILR to thats 5 years, i also dont think they can claim tax creds, while a european can after 1 yr of working here, and claim child benefit and tax creds for kids back home in their own country..
work it out 1m polish, and how many other europeans in the uk who can claim benefits after 1 yr, while most of your non euro immigrants cannot.... yet the gov are targeting them.,..

[andypaul]

yes but it will probably will happen..

just liked the gov non euro docs, the gov lost the case, and now the gov is going to the house of lords at the end of this month to over turn it.

they've pushed up visa fees, life in the uk test, changed those on workpermits from 4 to 5 years in the uk b4 they could apply for ILR, new points system for workpermits and HSMP.

the proposed laws on isp banning those who download 'copywrited' material..

more green, white and papers from the gov, it's going to be a very unpopular gov

as for benefits, if a european has worked in the uk for a year, they can claim benefits, someone on a spouse visa needs ILR thats 2 years, for a workpermit i think they need ILR to thats 5 years, i also dont think they can claim tax creds, while a european can after 1 yr of working here, and claim child benefit and tax creds for kids back home in their own country..
work it out 1m polish, and how many other europeans in the uk who can claim benefits after 1 yr, while most of your non euro immigrants cannot.... yet the gov are targeting them.,..

i think they are picking on the only targets they can.

I think if you move to Bulgria on the dole you can get what the brits pay you which is way above the living wage for most there.

Maybe i'll have to ask the greatest sriker in the premiership what the weather is like down there

[aromulus]

[quote=joebloggs;54595more green, white and papers from the gov, it's going to be a very unpopular gov quote]


Unfortunately, there isn't a better alternative.

Gordon Brownstuff called off the snap election last time, because he knew very well that his days were numbered if he went ahead with it....
So far labour hasn't kept one single manifest promise, and they aren't likely to start keeping them anytime soon... Or ever..........

In the next few years, the fabric in the UK will be so eroded that being British won't mean much to anybody.

[joebloggs]

they kinda banned fox hunting, and how long did that take them to do

not sure what their manifesto 'promises' were


argh. minimum wage , tories said it would cost 1000's of jobs..

apart from that i can not remember anymore, i'm sure they didn't mention high visa costs and english tests thou

[andypaul]

they kinda banned fox hunting, and how long did that take them to do

not sure what their manifesto 'promises' were


argh. minimum wage , tories said it would cost 1000's of jobs..

apart from that i can not remember anymore, i'm sure they didn't mention high visa costs and english tests thou

education education

well neither have improved education from what i have seen


The minimum wage may have worked up norf but i was getting 5 pound plus or there abouts working part time in a supermarket over ten years back as a student. If anything it drove down prices in the south particularly london, nearly all basic entry level jobs have minimum wage or only a little over. In london its expected that at least i think it is 7.20 an hour is needed to survie. Many of the workers at the lowest levels with no second salary or propety cannot survie on the minimum wage.
When my wife worked in a coffe shop the left over food was offered at the end of the day, after a while the wife as not intrested but others depended on it to supplement their food How most of them managed i will never know and this was not even in the more expensive areas in the centre.


Again another good idea buggered up by one of the two parties.

[joebloggs]

found this link

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...ing-A-Brit.php

spouse visa will rise from 18 to 21 !!!

and

"But Smith also warned that Britain is likely to clamp down on visas for foreigners who spend years in Britain but choose not to become citizens.

"You will not be able to languish in limbo. Once your period of temporary residence comes to an end you will need to apply for the next stage or leave," Smith told reporters.

Immigration minister Liam Byrne said Americans, Australians and Filipinos are the nationals most reluctant to take up British citizenship"

at £655 i think it is no wonder !!

the gov gone immigration crazy...

[andypaul]

With November and 2010 being the two dates mentioned surely there will be a rush by those hoping to sort it all out before it goes mental with regards fees and hoop jumping.
Hopefully if we have the kings ransom avaiable we will be sorting it in October.

So maybe worth putting off the holiday or cutting back some where to save up and get it sorted asap. As the nearer you get to the date the longer your wait for your passport i guess?

[joebloggs]

passport is extra money , i'm sure getting a passport is not a problem, its getting your citizenship certificate.

i'm sending off the misses app asap, in her case sometime in may, shove it on the credit card, interest free for 9/12 months ...

need to do it asap, becuase you don't knows whats going to happen, how much it will cost and with her being a foreign doc, i wouldn't put it pass the gov , that non euro docs could only apply for training post if you've got citizenship or a EEC national..

also like you said there will be a rush of apps, and when i phoned them a while ago, they told me processing time could be more than 6 months