reality

[KeithD]

No education system is worse than the UK's

Gammon is a wild animal, potato tree, cn u cum out 2nt

[IanB]

No education system is worse than the UK's

I hereby challenge you to a maths contest against my 15 year old son. Education in the UK is generally excellent, and way ahead of what I did 20 years ago.

Ian

[KeithD]

I hereby challenge you to a maths contest against my 15 year old son. Education in the UK is generally excellent, and way ahead of what I did 20 years ago.

Ian

I'd whip his ass, my mind works nearly as fast as Carol Vorderman's when it comes to maths, hence I'm so successful at running over 50 businesses at once

I take it your kid didn't go to school in inner Manchester or Liverpool, and the Business institutions in this country must all have it wrong saying they can no longer get educated school leavers to the standard they used to in the past.

[joebloggs]

I hereby challenge you to a maths contest against my 15 year old son. Education in the UK is generally excellent, and way ahead of what I did 20 years ago.

Ian

i'll pass, but if he wants to challenge my mother-in-law (whos near retirement age ) , i'll put a few £ on her winning

(she lectures in accountancy at a uni in the phils, i know its a loaded bet, but i only gamble when i know i can win )

everyone thinks kids today are experts in computing and IT becuase they know how to turn a pc on or load winodws

make me , i knew more about puters 25yrs ago than 99% of kids today...

the good old days

[andypaul]

i'll pass, but if he wants to challenge my mother-in-law (whos near retirement age ) , i'll put a few £ on her winning

(she lectures in accountancy at a uni in the phils, i know its a loaded bet, but i only gamble when i know i can win )

everyone thinks kids today are experts in computing and IT becuase they know how to turn a pc on or load winodws

make me , i knew more about puters 25yrs ago than 99% of kids today...

the good old days

So Joe you could program in HTML and use Macros in ms office progs 25 years ago blimey

Yesterday I helped take a Lesson at a School in London in I.T studies I was very impressed and most when offered extra work and to carry on in their break did!

They all created Basic Web pages and some of the work i was shown by the keener ones (who were not a small minority or the usual suspects i must add) was dam good.
They also had after school lessons/club where we got the pupils to write programs on some phones we brought in to the school, in Java. The rate at which they picked this up was incredible and the ideas and creatvity was great to see. Next week we are going to dip into Java and use it on some emedded I.T equipment (ie real life skills which this country badly needs not media studies experts ). The teacher was worried we might leave some of the pupils behind but all have grasped the ideas, like i have written before we simply dont push our kids enough

If it had not been for the mini riot and attempted sexual assault which occured outside the door of the classroom i would have said it really changed my mind.

[joebloggs]

So Joe you could program in HTML and use Macros in ms office progs 25 years ago blimey

Yesterday I helped take a Lesson at a School in London in I.T studies I was very impressed and most when offered extra work and to carry on in their break did!

They all created Basic Web pages and some of the work i was shown by the keener ones (who were not a small minority or the usual suspects i must add) was dam good.
They also had after school lessons/club where we got the pupils to write programs on some phones we brought in to the school, in Java. The rate at which they picked this up was incredible and the ideas and creatvity was great to see. Next week we are going to dip into Java and use it on some emedded I.T equipment (ie real life skills which this country badly needs not media studies experts ). The teacher was worried we might leave some of the pupils behind but all have grasped the ideas, like i have written before we simply dont push our kids enough

If it had not been for the mini riot and attempted sexual assault which occured outside the door of the classroom i would have said it really changed my mind.

in the old days ,there wasn't programs to desgin webpages, not like today, yes by hand, sat with me text editor, just as i use to write assembly language by hand in the early 80's.

more than 27yrs on, and i still can remember 6502 mnemonics how sad is that..

things have moved on, IDE's make it so easy to program now, not like the old days of having to link, complie and make it an exe by shelling to dos

i still haven't meet a teenager who surprised me with how much they know about IT, usually how little they know.. .

show me a teenager who knows about database management, system concepts, conceptual data models and not how to print 'hello world' in java

but kids are quick learners, my daughter knows how to get to websites, and little marius knows how to turn the pc and monitor off, esp when i'm downloading ..

but i agree kids are not pushed enough,,

[andypaul]

in the old days ,there wasn't programs to desgin webpages, not like today, yes by hand, sat with me text editor, just as i use to write assembly language by hand in the early 80's.

more than 27yrs on, and i still can remember 6502 mnemonics how sad is that..

things have moved on, IDE's make it so easy to program now, not like the old days of having to link, complie and make it an exe by shelling to dos

i still haven't meet a teenager who surprised me with how much they know about IT, usually how little they know.. .

show me a teenager who knows about database management, system concepts, conceptual data models and not how to print 'hello world' in java

but kids are quick learners, my daughter knows how to get to websites, and little marius knows how to turn the pc and monitor off, esp when i'm downloading ..

but i agree kids are not pushed enough,,

Mate one step at a time and im impressed how many do program like us with our print out from magazines. Most will do something if they see a result. For example one pupil had made a application which made the name inputed look cool and funky in a different font with symbols around it very simple but impressed all the other pupils who wanted a copy and its a start Geez they are only taster lessons

What i was also impressed with is nowdays many schools, colleges and unis at least teach their kids aspects of ecdl and many give them the chance to pass it. I recomend taking the ECDL to any Phills who wanna get a job in a UK office where using Microsoft office is a given almost as much as being able to read and write.

For example if they make an application which they can use so a scanner will scan a paticular area of a page and put a header on the top of the page automatically may not sound much but its the sort of application companies need and want.
It shows them look this I.T marlarky its all sorts of things from creating spreadsheets with very complicated formulas (required in a lot of advanced and not so advanced jobs nowdays to creating an HTML page or using one of the web page creating applications are basic functions in many jobs in non I.T related jobs, but one people need quite often to go on basic courses to do while at work or they outsource.


Not everyone needs to be an I.T gensius but the basic levels of all need to be raised those specialising can learn all about databases yawn

[joebloggs]

one pupil had made a application which made the name inputed look cool and funky in a different font with symbols around it very simple but impressed all the other pupils who wanted a copy and its a start

yes and next they'll be doing their fonts and symbols on someones back wall with a spray can

i'm pulling your leg , i agree with everything you said

when i was at school just b4 i left, the school had just bought a commodore pet , well for me it all started with a article in a PET magazine back in 1980 on how to do assembly language for it and for a few years i was hooked on it, til i got burn't out, and no longer cared
and then i got a 'proper' job