filesharing

[walesrob]

My guess is that the YouTube case will be strung out for as long as possible, and for once I'm on Google's side here. Anyway, Viacom will be winners in this anyway, as they are getting their material onto You Tube with free promotions of their products.

As for 3 strikes and your out - waste of time. They can throw someone off the network, but they will be able to sign up again to another ISP no problems.

I think we need to stop blaming the ISP's here - its a bit like closing the M4 just in case a potential murderer uses it - strange way of looking at it I know, but I'm sure you'll agree having an internet connection is as important as being able to drive anywhere, and once you start down the slippery slope of forcing ISP's to bring in draconian measures in favour of copyright holders, its all gets a bit nasty. The beauty/downside* (delete as approriate) of the internet is that its unrestricted.

[andypaul]

My guess is that the YouTube case will be strung out for as long as possible, and for once I'm on Google's side here. Anyway, Viacom will be winners in this anyway, as they are getting their material onto You Tube with free promotions of their products.

As for 3 strikes and your out - waste of time. They can throw someone off the network, but they will be able to sign up again to another ISP no problems.

I think we need to stop blaming the ISP's here - its a bit like closing the M4 just in case a potential murderer uses it - strange way of looking at it I know, but I'm sure you'll agree having an internet connection is as important as being able to drive anywhere, and once you start down the slippery slope of forcing ISP's to bring in draconian measures in favour of copyright holders, its all gets a bit nasty. The beauty/downside* (delete as approriate) of the internet is that its unrestricted.

Not really up on the Viacom case

But if Viacom suceed in getting the IP addresses of all who downloaded anything on youtube. Then All the big media companies will ask do the same surely and then who knows i doubt they will come after the person who downloaded one file but it is something to be aware of.

I think a lot of people forget its breaking copyright law and they could get into serious bother if they are one of the examples picked out as happened when p2p networks were busted a few years back.
Do remeber it may not be you the person paying for the ISP account who maybe downloading/uploading the info others members of the household, those who log onto your network (our company used to allow people to log in both via wirless and lan people in the background would have a p2p or torrent running

All forms of wirless encryption in most housholds can be broken easily, mac addresses can be cloned and turning your ssid well is just a waste of time.

you could have a trojan or some form of malware running on part of your network which could be used to dounload/upload via your IP address.

Isps to me are just like the Leccy and water boards but the Leccy board will notify the Police if usage go though the roof as normally its a sign of a Skunk farm or some other ilict operation occuring.
So if people have excessive bandwith being used i can see them informing the relevant authorities and letting them getting on with it.

The 3 strikes and your out could work.

You need to prove who you are to sign on to a contract and get connected moving house then creating a new Identiy is a little extreme for most of us.

Im sure your aware rob of credit lists, the national dismissal register and other registers kept by companies which we have little say in but companies for the most part abide by.

So if little john kept downloading files and got you struck off you may find yourself with out a internet connection or one restricted possibly?

[walesrob]

So if little john kept downloading files and got you struck off you may find yourself with out a internet connection or one restricted possibly?

I've not heard of those lists - credit list? You mean credit reference record? BT didn't credit check me when I applied for broadband, nor did Enta.net when I was with them a few years ago. As for how ISPs handle defaulters or service abusers, this is very much up to individual ISP. I'm with BT, and their policy is, if you go over your limit, you will be charged at 60p per GB. If theres excessive use, they will encourage you to move to the Unlimited Package. As for P2P, I don't use that nonsense, and I've blocked all P2P ports on my Home Hub.

Credit to BT, the very same Home Hub are sent out with excellent security defaults - mine had 128bit WEP, SSID off and you are forced to changed the admin password before it allows internet access for the initial set up. I've seen so many unsecured wireless networks, and the likes of Netgear, Belkin and Linksys should make an effort to send out their wireless products with better security defaults.

[andypaul]

I've not heard of those lists - credit list? You mean credit reference record? BT didn't credit check me when I applied for broadband, nor did Enta.net when I was with them a few years ago. As for how ISPs handle defaulters or service abusers, this is very much up to individual ISP. I'm with BT, and their policy is, if you go over your limit, you will be charged at 60p per GB. If theres excessive use, they will encourage you to move to the Unlimited Package. As for P2P, I don't use that nonsense, and I've blocked all P2P ports on my Home Hub.

Credit to BT, the very same Home Hub are sent out with excellent security defaults - mine had 128bit WEP, SSID off and you are forced to changed the admin password before it allows internet access for the initial set up. I've seen so many unsecured wireless networks, and the likes of Netgear, Belkin and Linksys should make an effort to send out their wireless products with better security defaults.

Well if you dont p2p or torrent or stream copyrighted material then you shouldn't have to worry.

When i mentioned Credit lists i was just using an example of how companies share info about you which can make a difference to what service they provide you with if any.

There are also other registers.

Google national staff dismissal register and see how easy it is for companies and indivuals within side them to affect you.

heres an example

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7389547.stm

Even some HR people i have spoken to about think this is a bad idea but
seems to be gaining support. ISps could either volunteer or be coersed into providing a similar scheme...

Home hub

I recieved one and gave it away.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10...home_hub_vuln/

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200..._hub_password/


Far better as you say out of the box but hardly secure and the fact there are so many is another concern to me.

But it is up to the user to set up security i feel but WEP is like emperors new clothes even WPA is a little risky if you had computers nerds nearby.

[joebloggs]

well this really would open up a can of worms..

first proving who committed the 'crime' of watching a clip on youtube, who will they prosecute? the person who owns the pc, who owns the house, who pays the isp account, the person who watches the clip ? what about minors,

also can they claim its copyright theft if its only a clip of a few minutes, when its been broadcasted on tv already, whats the point of sky boxes, dvd recorders if not for recording tv programs ?, , vhs recorders, dvd recorders, cassette recorders,mp3 players mostly used for recording and playing back copyrighted material..

the courts would come to a stand still, it would take years to take everyone to court, and if i was on a jury, i would find them not guilty, as its today's media, just as cassette and vhs was in the past..

not workable.. anyway there not just torrents, what about rapidshare and other file storage sites, most files are password protected making in near impossible for them to know the contents.. also download at max speed

[andypaul]

well this really would open up a can of worms..

first proving who committed the 'crime' of watching a clip on youtube, who will they prosecute? the person who owns the pc, who owns the house, who pays the isp account, the person who watches the clip ? what about minors,

also can they claim its copyright theft if its only a clip of a few minutes, when its been broadcasted on tv already, whats the point of sky boxes, dvd recorders if not for recording tv programs ?, , vhs recorders, dvd recorders, cassette recorders,mp3 players mostly used for recording and playing back copyrighted material..

the courts would come to a stand still, it would take years to take everyone to court, and if i was on a jury, i would find them not guilty, as its today's media, just as cassette and vhs was in the past..

not workable.. anyway there not just torrents, what about rapidshare and other file storage sites, most files are password protected making in near impossible for them to know the contents.. also download at max speed

From what we alreay have seen they never bother with everyone they seem to pick the heavy users, the ISPs and some random people who from what they say and what i have read dont seem to have downloaded any more than others.

Dont forget Joe its actually agasint the rules you accept when watching a premier league game to take pictures or video at a game.
Again no one takes much notice if a kid or someone take a picture or two. but if you shot the whole match and uploaded to youtube and the like they will take them down due to complaints from the football clubs and premier league etc (has happened to mates)

I think the video cassete recordings of tv were in theory you could record to watch at a convient time within a couple of weeks (something along those lines)

I think the downloaders who have to be careful are those who then pass it on or upload as thats the ones i have seen get in grief.

People i know who used to fileshare a lot use to ensure they took all files off so as not to attract to much attention so were in theroy just downloading.

To take an example from drug enformcement and the police they are after the pushers not the users

But has some drug users found they could without realising end up classified as drug dealers and feel the full force of the law.

Im not siding with either side just warning people be careful and aware whats possibly brewing before posting clips and sharing files.

[joebloggs]

if the cops haven't got time for credit card fraud, then they will not have time for file sharers, near me the pr8ts use to take the , selling cds outside the computer show, at least 20 people selling them, and my brothers g/f, her sister is married to a plod, he use to goto the show and buy the dodgy cd's and sell them to plods in the cop station

i want to know who says you can not record a match, where in the law does it say you cannot, is it not a public place? ,you've paid your fee, just like the pictures and other places like that, where they will not allow you to take food or drink in, who gives them this right ? what law gives them this power ? you have to pay their rip off prices, and there is no competition inside, they have a Monopoly

we took our daughter when she was 6 to the gmex in manchester, they told her she couldn't take her drink inside, , and they even search people bags, where your civil rights

its corporate theft, Profiteering and yet they get away with it..