filesharing

[walesrob]

So if little john kept downloading files and got you struck off you may find yourself with out a internet connection or one restricted possibly?

I've not heard of those lists - credit list? You mean credit reference record? BT didn't credit check me when I applied for broadband, nor did Enta.net when I was with them a few years ago. As for how ISPs handle defaulters or service abusers, this is very much up to individual ISP. I'm with BT, and their policy is, if you go over your limit, you will be charged at 60p per GB. If theres excessive use, they will encourage you to move to the Unlimited Package. As for P2P, I don't use that nonsense, and I've blocked all P2P ports on my Home Hub.

Credit to BT, the very same Home Hub are sent out with excellent security defaults - mine had 128bit WEP, SSID off and you are forced to changed the admin password before it allows internet access for the initial set up. I've seen so many unsecured wireless networks, and the likes of Netgear, Belkin and Linksys should make an effort to send out their wireless products with better security defaults.

[andypaul]

I've not heard of those lists - credit list? You mean credit reference record? BT didn't credit check me when I applied for broadband, nor did Enta.net when I was with them a few years ago. As for how ISPs handle defaulters or service abusers, this is very much up to individual ISP. I'm with BT, and their policy is, if you go over your limit, you will be charged at 60p per GB. If theres excessive use, they will encourage you to move to the Unlimited Package. As for P2P, I don't use that nonsense, and I've blocked all P2P ports on my Home Hub.

Credit to BT, the very same Home Hub are sent out with excellent security defaults - mine had 128bit WEP, SSID off and you are forced to changed the admin password before it allows internet access for the initial set up. I've seen so many unsecured wireless networks, and the likes of Netgear, Belkin and Linksys should make an effort to send out their wireless products with better security defaults.

Well if you dont p2p or torrent or stream copyrighted material then you shouldn't have to worry.

When i mentioned Credit lists i was just using an example of how companies share info about you which can make a difference to what service they provide you with if any.

There are also other registers.

Google national staff dismissal register and see how easy it is for companies and indivuals within side them to affect you.

heres an example

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7389547.stm

Even some HR people i have spoken to about think this is a bad idea but
seems to be gaining support. ISps could either volunteer or be coersed into providing a similar scheme...

Home hub

I recieved one and gave it away.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10...home_hub_vuln/

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200..._hub_password/


Far better as you say out of the box but hardly secure and the fact there are so many is another concern to me.

But it is up to the user to set up security i feel but WEP is like emperors new clothes even WPA is a little risky if you had computers nerds nearby.

[joebloggs]

well this really would open up a can of worms..

first proving who committed the 'crime' of watching a clip on youtube, who will they prosecute? the person who owns the pc, who owns the house, who pays the isp account, the person who watches the clip ? what about minors,

also can they claim its copyright theft if its only a clip of a few minutes, when its been broadcasted on tv already, whats the point of sky boxes, dvd recorders if not for recording tv programs ?, , vhs recorders, dvd recorders, cassette recorders,mp3 players mostly used for recording and playing back copyrighted material..

the courts would come to a stand still, it would take years to take everyone to court, and if i was on a jury, i would find them not guilty, as its today's media, just as cassette and vhs was in the past..

not workable.. anyway there not just torrents, what about rapidshare and other file storage sites, most files are password protected making in near impossible for them to know the contents.. also download at max speed

[andypaul]

well this really would open up a can of worms..

first proving who committed the 'crime' of watching a clip on youtube, who will they prosecute? the person who owns the pc, who owns the house, who pays the isp account, the person who watches the clip ? what about minors,

also can they claim its copyright theft if its only a clip of a few minutes, when its been broadcasted on tv already, whats the point of sky boxes, dvd recorders if not for recording tv programs ?, , vhs recorders, dvd recorders, cassette recorders,mp3 players mostly used for recording and playing back copyrighted material..

the courts would come to a stand still, it would take years to take everyone to court, and if i was on a jury, i would find them not guilty, as its today's media, just as cassette and vhs was in the past..

not workable.. anyway there not just torrents, what about rapidshare and other file storage sites, most files are password protected making in near impossible for them to know the contents.. also download at max speed

From what we alreay have seen they never bother with everyone they seem to pick the heavy users, the ISPs and some random people who from what they say and what i have read dont seem to have downloaded any more than others.

Dont forget Joe its actually agasint the rules you accept when watching a premier league game to take pictures or video at a game.
Again no one takes much notice if a kid or someone take a picture or two. but if you shot the whole match and uploaded to youtube and the like they will take them down due to complaints from the football clubs and premier league etc (has happened to mates)

I think the video cassete recordings of tv were in theory you could record to watch at a convient time within a couple of weeks (something along those lines)

I think the downloaders who have to be careful are those who then pass it on or upload as thats the ones i have seen get in grief.

People i know who used to fileshare a lot use to ensure they took all files off so as not to attract to much attention so were in theroy just downloading.

To take an example from drug enformcement and the police they are after the pushers not the users

But has some drug users found they could without realising end up classified as drug dealers and feel the full force of the law.

Im not siding with either side just warning people be careful and aware whats possibly brewing before posting clips and sharing files.

[joebloggs]

if the cops haven't got time for credit card fraud, then they will not have time for file sharers, near me the pr8ts use to take the , selling cds outside the computer show, at least 20 people selling them, and my brothers g/f, her sister is married to a plod, he use to goto the show and buy the dodgy cd's and sell them to plods in the cop station

i want to know who says you can not record a match, where in the law does it say you cannot, is it not a public place? ,you've paid your fee, just like the pictures and other places like that, where they will not allow you to take food or drink in, who gives them this right ? what law gives them this power ? you have to pay their rip off prices, and there is no competition inside, they have a Monopoly

we took our daughter when she was 6 to the gmex in manchester, they told her she couldn't take her drink inside, , and they even search people bags, where your civil rights

its corporate theft, Profiteering and yet they get away with it..

[andypaul]

if the cops haven't got time for credit card fraud, then they will not have time for file sharers, near me the pr8ts use to take the , selling cds outside the computer show, at least 20 people selling them, and my brothers g/f, her sister is married to a plod, he use to goto the show and buy the dodgy cd's and sell them to plods in the cop station

i want to know who says you can not record a match, where in the law does it say you cannot, is it not a public place? ,you've paid your fee, just like the pictures and other places like that, where they will not allow you to take food or drink in, who gives them this right ? what law gives them this power ? you have to pay their rip off prices, and there is no competition inside, they have a Monopoly

we took our daughter when she was 6 to the gmex in manchester, they told her she couldn't take her drink inside, , and they even search people bags, where your civil rights

its corporate theft, Profiteering and yet they get away with it..

The police and CPS dont get involved with these procescutions the companies normally take them to court themselves.

I don't know all the rules and laws but trust me read a ticket or season ticket and it will tell you that they will ask you to leave and ban you if caught filming a match.
I guess its like a Pub or cinema its private propety so can invite who they like and ask them to bring or not bring what they like within reason.
Many Pubs i know of and nearly all cinemas will kick you out if taking photos unless of your own party you went with.

[joebloggs]

true, but i wonder if someone took one of these picture chains or arenas to court what would be the outcome ?

British law, is suppose to be built on the principals of what is fair and reasonable, i don't see how a judge or jury could or would think that banning people from taking a picture, bringing in their own food or drink is fair or reasonable , understandable if its a restaurant or food shop.

but these pictures and arenas sell their own drinks and foods inside at very high prices and you cannot leave the place to go and eat or drink outside, they will not let you back in. and so for a couple of hours you have no choice if you want to eat or drink

to me its not fair and like i said no competition, i really don't know how they can get away with it..

rant over, something for the competition committee to look into