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[KeithD]

Some of these groups are going the right way, give it away for free, and accept donations on the web site for it. I'd have no problem giving a fiver direct to the band for an album, as I'd know they got most of it.

When I download music it is to see if I like a new band, if I do, I'll then buy the live DVD.

Wasn't it Girls Aloud that made no money themselves until the 3rd album? And what the record companies forget to tell these new 'stars' is that the champagne & limo's all come out of the artists cut, not the music industries

[andypaul]

Filipinouk*co*uk is described as one at the top of the home page Joe

[andypaul]

Some of these groups are going the right way, give it away for free, and accept donations on the web site for it. I'd have no problem giving a fiver direct to the band for an album, as I'd know they got most of it.

When I download music it is to see if I like a new band, if I do, I'll then buy the live DVD.

Wasn't it Girls Aloud that made no money themselves until the 3rd album? And what the record companies forget to tell these new 'stars' is that the champagne & limo's all come out of the artists cut, not the music industries

I know of several bands and artists whose worst mistake was signing a record contract as they ended up skint and worse off as they didn't understand the advance they get is bascially a loan. many also didn't read the contract they signed let alone understand it.

But they were all over 18, sound of mind and never had to sign the contract.

Its just like all the people who were gonna become huge propety landlords are now saying but no one said my intrest rates and fees might go up

[nigel]

Some of these groups are going the right way, give it away for free, and accept donations on the web site for it. I'd have no problem giving a fiver direct to the band for an album, as I'd know they got most of it.

When I download music it is to see if I like a new band, if I do, I'll then buy the live DVD.

Wasn't it Girls Aloud that made no money themselves until the 3rd album? And what the record companies forget to tell these new 'stars' is that the champagne & limo's all come out of the artists cut, not the music industries

I believe your right! I saw Girls Aloud at Sandown park Esher a couple of weeks ago, I thought they'd be cocky big heads but they're actually not at all like that.

But anyway, apparently the girl band TLC made little or no money, the late Lisa Left Eye Lopez was once very honest about it in an interview. She said when they finished their recording and touring, they were hit with a huge bill for the limo's/travel cost's etc I think they even had to pay for their own studio time! Which can be very expensive! It seems they all worked very hard to make their band successful, oblivious to the fact that they would end up with little or nothing! The interview was old so maybe they have made money now...

[KeithD]

The interview was old so maybe they have made money now...

Be a miracle if Lisa was making money now .....and boy was she unlucky, 13 in a minibus, and she was the only one to die the accident.

[andypaul]

I believe your right! I saw Girls Aloud at Sandown park Esher a couple of weeks ago, I thought they'd be cocky big heads but they're actually not at all like that.

But anyway, apparently the girl band TLC made little or no money, the late Lisa Left Eye Lopez was once very honest about it in an interview. She said when they finished their recording and touring, they were hit with a huge bill for the limo's/travel cost's etc I think they even had to pay for their own studio time! Which can be very expensive! It seems they all worked very hard to make their band successful, oblivious to the fact that they would end up with little or nothing! The interview was old so maybe they have made money now...

Thats why the most sucessful bands i notice normally eiter mange themselves or have a family member runnng them.

A lot of the bands i if they dont write the songs, perform covers, let others produce and remix will have huge fees.

But then if i did that at work ie subcontracted out part of the work and paid others to create my work then i would have to pay for it.

Many dance music acts and artists made a fortune as they released the songs published them wrote them and then when they broke the mainstream just licensed the songs to large record companies to distrubute and many made naff or just plain cheap videos as had sussed what was going on.

[joebloggs]

so who's ripping the artist off the most ??

the people who download it or the record company that gives them a few pence, oh the record companies need to make money to invest in new talent , like errrr robbie williams ... or invest in a new villa or sports car

so who's losing the most the artist who gets a few pence on every album or the record company that takes £s ?, yes and the artist gets again by the record company for the advances they were given. so where and how is this money invested in new talent ?? a load of

[andypaul]

so who's ripping the artist off the most ??

the people who download it or the record company that gives them a few pence, oh the record companies need to make money to invest in new talent , like errrr robbie williams ... or invest in a new villa or sports car

so who's losing the most the artist who gets a few pence on every album or the record company that takes £s ?, yes and the artist gets again by the record company for the advances they were given. so where and how is this money invested in new talent ?? a load of

But thats the deal the pop star movie star took

Just as you did with your job, many companies how ever much moeny you save them or earn them will never pay you that great a percentage in return.

Remeber if you invent or discover something while at a employer many companies in the small print will have the right to the invention/process.

I know i have saved/made my comapany far more than i get in retun but thats the deal i took. Far less risks/hassle than starting my own company.

Those pop stars could have gone it alone nothng stopping them plenty of others have done it.

As you wrote earlier Joe you have no sympathy for those that lose money or there jobs thats life file sharing/signing a contract which is poorly weighted agaisnt you.

Regards the advance Joe if i loaned you money to start a company and said first before you earn any money i want mine if you didn't like the terms you wouldn't agree to it you would go elsewhere surely?

[KeithD]

Whereas if you lent a scouser money, you'd never see us again

[joebloggs]

But thats the deal the pop star movie star took

Just as you did with your job, many companies how ever much moeny you save them or earn them will never pay you that great a percentage in return.

As you wrote earlier Joe you have no sympathy for those that lose money or there jobs thats life file sharing/signing a contract which is poorly weighted agaisnt you.

Regards the advance Joe if i loaned you money to start a company and said first before you earn any money i want mine if you didn't like the terms you wouldn't agree to it you would go elsewhere surely?

deal, means to me where you both agree

tell me andy, when you was offered your present job, and they told you to sign the contract, did you tell them you wouldn't sign it, unless they made changes ?

i bet you signed it,just like everyone else, you've no option but to sign it and take the job on their terms and conditions or if you don't,then no job.. you don't have a choice when you need to work to live..

so an advance, so the reason the price of a album is so high, is that they need the money to invest in new talent, but the new talent get advances they have to pay back, so the public pays and the artist pays and the record company takes it all..

[andypaul]

deal, means to me where you both agree

tell me andy, when you was offered your present job, and they told you to sign the contract, did you tell them you wouldn't sign it, unless they made changes ?

i bet you signed it,just like everyone else, you've no option but to sign it and take the job on their terms and conditions or if you don't,then no job.. you don't have a choice when you need to work to live..

so an advance, so the reason the price of a album is so high, is that they need the money to invest in new talent, but the new talent get advances they have to pay back, so the public pays and the artist pays and the record company takes it all..

Of course you always negoiate Joe, i know i did recently for my transfer, wages, benefits, location, even terms in the contract in fact i disagreed with some and made a fuss and they were changed. I would never sign without agreeing to the terms if i don't like them i would be off.
Many people take your stance dont haggle over salary, terms and benefits etc. I always do and i expect those that work for me to but very few do and we usually never offer the highest amount we are prepared to pay etc straight off who would?
Of the last ten or so, three wanted talks on the t&c's one was due to a basic incorrect date on letter mistake which HR dealt with, another one questioned the offer I wrote to them saying lets talk about it they then im told had signed with HR so we never chatted and only one said thats not good enough this person got a better deal after proving why they should!!

Also at my company some people have huge Expenses, I keep mine to a minimum as its another tool to bargin with the company i.e look how much more that employee spends compared to me.
The company are not a charity and if i dont perform as well as other employees then they will favour them surely?

Pop and movie stars are not forced into signing contracts.

Many records and bands flop so i guess they take a risk. As i say the Bands could always go it alone or refuse the advance and put up the money themselves.

[KeithD]

I like to record the hiss off the radio

[andypaul]

I like to record the hiss off the radio

They must have known most blank tape came prerecorded wth it

[joebloggs]

well then your lucky andy that your in the position to argue your contract, standard company contract, they will not change anything, take it or leave it..

one thing i didn't give in on, is the pay i wanted

well sometimes a pirate one is better than the original

[andypaul]

well then your lucky andy that your in the position to argue your contract, standard company contract, they will not change anything, take it or leave it..

one thing i didn't give in on, is the pay i wanted

well sometimes a pirate one is better than the original

Because rarely people do bring up points they dont agree with on their contracts or ask for more dough it seems.

Most contracts i have seen both mine, my wifes and a few mates who asked for us to have a bucthers. Have mistakes all over them which most likely makes them not worth the paper they are printed on.


So joe have you started saving for when the claims pop though your letter box

Can see this being a nice earner for the law firms.

[joebloggs]

So joe have you started saving for when the claims pop though your letter box

Can see this being a nice earner for the law firms.

i don't share andy, use to be a hit and runner

why use torrents which are slow and your sharing, when you can be greedy like a southerner and just take using rapidshare

not sharing anything, unlike this person

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...all/article.do

[andypaul]

i don't share andy, use to be a hit and runner

why use torrents which are slow and your sharing, when you can be greedy like a southerner and just take using rapidshare

not sharing anything, unlike this person

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...all/article.do

On a serious tip Rapidshare users sound like they are on possibly dodgier ground when the Ambulance chasers catch up with the everyday bods.

The ones on really dodgy grounds would be those who sign up and pay extra for membership.

[joebloggs]

On a serious tip Rapidshare users sound like they are on possibly dodgier ground when the Ambulance chasers catch up with the everyday bods.

The ones on really dodgy grounds would be those who sign up and pay extra for membership.

most of the files are password protected, so rapidshare don't know what's in them, same as i don't know what's in them if i forget the p/w

rapidshare leechers are not sharing anything, so they cannot be hit by someone with a bill for £16k, unless your the one who created the account and files

unless they keep a log of everything every user/ip downloaded, but who's gonna look thru that log, well it could be a job for a billion Chinese to do, when the Olympics are over

if they want to check my log, and see how many csi's i've downloaded and charge me £1 a show, i'll give them the £50, after all , they are shown on ch5 for 0p

[andypaul]

most of the files are password protected, so rapidshare don't know what's in them, same as i don't know what's in them if i forget the p/w

rapidshare leechers are not sharing anything, so they cannot be hit by someone with a bill for £16k, unless your the one who created the account and files

unless they keep a log of everything every user/ip downloaded, but who's gonna look thru that log, well it could be a job for a billion Chinese to do, when the Olympics are over

if they want to check my log, and see how many csi's i've downloaded and charge me £1 a show, i'll give them the £50, after all , they are shown on ch5 for 0p

Of course not all people will be found joe just like not all crimnal cases are closed.

I can see ambulance chasers siting there downloading files of say CSI mami then demanding to know who up loaded it and the ip's of all those who downloaded.
Im sure like Google and all the others the Logs are there somewhere.


Why would it need a billion people to do the work?

The files would be sizable but they would take random selections of them surely? Just as they have in all previous cases.

In fact with all th data they just need to search out a set ranges of ip address as all IP addresses belong to someone nowdays.

Joe job for you with your SQL skills Poacher turned gamekeeper

It be a lottery if you get involved, but thats what all the ones already involved thought im sure.

Regarding the costs what happens if they want more than a pound each and then charge you for finding you?

[joebloggs]

what's criminal about downloading something that's has or will be broadcast on tv ?

as for the amount of the fine, she got fined £16k because they figured that 1,000 people downloaded it from her, well she should have argued the point that not all of those 1,000 would have bought the thing anyway, and in fact if they had, most would want their money back after trying it for a few mins, as most games are just , yet they want to charge you £40 for a load of . so who's ripping who off ?.


random cases, well why not take me and a million or a 1,000 people to court and fine me £16 ?, courts would come to a halt over night.

i'll worry when fast tell me that 100,000 people downloaded csi off me and they want $1,000,000 from me, but then that's never going to happen, because i don't share anything, and as far as i can recall they've only gone after people who have shared stuff and i'll plead

have you got a new job andy working for fast

[Banana]

Mr Bloggs I wonder if our paths have crossed before? I would send you a PM but I can;t due to forum rules . When I post enough unnecessary posts to get PM privileges I will send you a PM

[andypaul]

what's criminal about downloading something that's has or will be broadcast on tv ?

as for the amount of the fine, she got fined £16k because they figured that 1,000 people downloaded it from her, well she should have argued the point that not all of those 1,000 would have bought the thing anyway, and in fact if they had, most would want their money back after trying it for a few mins, as most games are just , yet they want to charge you £40 for a load of . so who's ripping who off ?.


random cases, well why not take me and a million or a 1,000 people to court and fine me £16 ?, courts would come to a halt over night.

i'll worry when fast tell me that 100,000 people downloaded csi off me and they want $1,000,000 from me, but then that's never going to happen, because i don't share anything, and as far as i can recall they've only gone after people who have shared stuff and i'll plead

have you got a new job andy working for fast

nope

Just pointing out that many of the people caught out are the ones who seemed to be unaware. Those with a bit of savvy dont.

The Wife when first here had mates saying oh you should download this and use limewire and what have you.


The best defence appears to be from what i read you use an open network as they said they would not go after you! But then if you dont use wirless that would be a bit hard to prove.

Many of them are cvill cases ie pay up the money or we will take you to court.
Thats why they are demanding 300 quid off all those who downloaded aren't they?
I bet if somehow they win a case and you dont pay up costs and intrest will be added on if you dont pay up.

I dont agree with the way they are going about it, but if people on here went on holiday for a month or longer as some do on here and the claim went undisputed?
If you did get one, could you afford to risk disputing it? Remeber the costs of finding you will be added.

No i dont work for fast, just pointing out people should be aware of the technolgy and software they use everyday. In that it could make them liable to be fined or at least get demand letters which you may fight or choose to ignore.
That you are tracable however unlikely it is.

Most people could jump the train or bus home from work but dont as they know they are liable and they also think the prices are a rip off. They pay to keep out of trouble and have an easy life.

Remeber analogue phones they could easily be listened into, of course most conversations were not, but people should be aware they could so they can make an informed decision with all the facts.
I bet Prince sharles wishes he had.

I dont agree with it myself but to say it cant happen to me 100 percent is a tad risky.

Any way the makers of CSI dont need to chase you. You've admitted it on a public forum

Expect them to be chasing you for two eccles cakes and a whippet soon

[joebloggs]

Mr Bloggs I wonder if our paths have crossed before? I would send you a PM but I can;t due to forum rules . When I post enough unnecessary posts to get PM privileges I will send you a PM

i'm pretty sure our paths have never crossed b4

[joebloggs]

Just pointing out that many of the people caught out are the ones who seemed to be unaware. Those with a bit of savvy dont.

Remeber analogue phones they could easily be listened into, of course most conversations were not, but people should be aware they could so they can make an informed decision with all the facts.
I bet Prince sharles wishes he had.

Any way the makers of CSI dont need to chase you. You've admitted it on a public forum

Expect them to be chasing you for two eccles cakes and a whippet soon

never share anything, get what your after and run , thats the first sentence in the scouser handbook

yes i remember the nec p3 vodapone what a fone, a hacked one could do everything, listen in calls, use it as a walkie talkie if your m8 was in the same cell, and you could program it from the keypad to clone someone else's phone . i never had one thou

as for csi, i only burn it from the tv , and i would want evidence who committed any copyright infringements, as a few people use this pc :o)

[Banana]

i'm pretty sure our paths have never crossed b4

Yes you know more about me than I know about you I suppose :(

[joebloggs]

'Illegal downloaders to escape internet bans'

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....&in_page_id=34

to fast

[KeithD]

What gets me is they say it costs the industry £1Billion......where does that figure come from.....if we got rid of the Internet today all those teenagers would then go out and buy the music/films? I doubt even 10% would.