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    Quote Originally Posted by Piamed View Post
    I find it extremely sad that so many, be they black, Asian, mixed or whatever, seem unable to break what is often a colonial-type mentality.

    Obviously, in colonial times and during the times of chattel slavery, the mas'er bedded his black wenches to create more 'valuable' slaves that had a greater monetary value and warped sense of loyalty. Often these offspring were overseers of the other slaves. Because they were more white and held a senior post than the others, i.e. closer to that of the slave owner, it became the appearance/ status that so many aspired to. Slaves often wanted a child with the mas'er so as to help themselves advance.

    Believe it or not, black people spend more than double the money on beauty products per capita than anyone else. The reason: hair straitening and skin lightening products. It's ridiculous. You can see those that have been doing it very easily. Light faces and dark hands. Also a line at around neck level, not to mention dark backs of the neck.

    Over the centuries those in power (political/media) have perpetuated the notion that anything other than a 'European' appearance is unattractive. Unfortunately, so many have believed it and still do.

    In da Phils I was surprised to see ads for employees that are light in complexion, above 5'4", etc. I can understand why one feels that they are disadvantaged by not being light skinned. How many people on TV in da Phils actually look Filipino? Most look Spanish or South American to me. Amazingly, tricycle drivers often wear long-sleeves and gloves in 38 degrees so as not to get darker on the arms.

    It is clear to any thinking person that it is terribly superficial to aspire to be a colour that one is not. I would be very surprised if anyone can present an intellectual argument otherwise. Having said that, it is clear that in countries that practice skin lightening, bullying & oppression of darker skins does occur. Most people do not lighten their skins for those reasons.

    Still, it is an individual choice. I don't criticise those that follow the practice of whitening but I reserve respect for those that are satisfied with their skin colour even in the face of societal pressure that many are unable to overcome.

    Being dark skinned is as much an advantage as it can be a disadvantage. I should know! I'm darker than invariably all on this forum. I had criticisms and people telling me a whole bunch of stuff I could not do because of my skin colour. I have to say that stopped when I started my martial arts , but seriously, there are far more people that will love your skin colour than will dislike it. There are still far more that who wont even notice it at all.

    I would encourage all to just be themselves and stop creating internal dissatisfaction. Have you seen the older faces of those that have been burned by prolonged use of these products?

    As usual these are just my thoughts!
    Can i borrow them for my thoughts as well.

    Great writing.

    westen indian and african mates when they not winding one another up the ladies were constantly on about weaves, this cream that cream,straighten this and that.
    Indian Mates were always talking about shade of skin.

    The funny thing as far as i know our hearts and Brains are all the same colour.


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    Quote Originally Posted by andypaul View Post
    Can i borrow them for my thoughts as well.

    The funny thing as far as i know our hearts and Brains are all the same colour.
    but what's in the brains is not

    conditioned by thier culture and peers


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    my comment is:
    whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
    As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
    It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.


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    Quote Originally Posted by telford View Post
    my comment is:
    whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
    As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
    It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.
    well said!


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    Quote Originally Posted by telford View Post
    my comment is:
    whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
    As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
    It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.
    I agree....


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    [QUOTE=telford;79846]my comment is:
    whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
    As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
    It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.
    [/QUOTE

    very well said sis...i agree


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    Quote Originally Posted by telford View Post
    my comment is:
    whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
    As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
    It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.
    great talking!! i mean, we are women, we want to feel confident and well in our own bodies, some like to loose weight, some like to get a fake tan, other a manicure, other cosmetic surgery... we want to lighten our skin a bit...
    if men love us then they will want us to feel good and confident... i think thats the most important...
    its just nature, women are more emotional, body-conscious then men...


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    Quote Originally Posted by half.k View Post
    great talking!! i mean, we are women, we want to feel confident and well in our own bodies, some like to loose weight, some like to get a fake tan, other a manicure, other cosmetic surgery... we want to lighten our skin a bit...
    if men love us then they will want us to feel good and confident... i think thats the most important...
    its just nature, women are more emotional, body-conscious then men...
    Being women has no connection with not feeling confident and well in your body. Indeed, skin lightening has been proven unequivocally to cause illness in the body. Most people lose weight as it is medically unhealthy for them to be overweight. Being darker of skin is not an unhealthy state. 'Fake tans', as opposed to naturally developed suntans, look ridiculous.

    Manicures are undertaken for neatness and hygiene reasons, skin whitening is not. What would we look like if we could all scale buildings using just our toe and fingernails!

    Non-essential cosmetic surgery is largely undertaken for vanity and insecurity reasons. There is also a great deal of medical and governmental activity geared towards counseling those that would have it done for those reasons as they really need help.

    If men love you as you put it, surely they would first try to encourage you that you don't need skin lightening for them to love you and for you to be 'feel good & confident' and that you are harming yourself for superficial reasons.

    Being emotional has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. Clearly, many women on this forum don't see that they need skin whitening. Many others think its a shame that some do have that need.

    Similarly, there is absolutely no qualified data that supports the notion that women are more body conscious than men. Extant literature posits that men are just as conscious about their bodies/appearance but they deal with it in largely differing ways to their female counterparts.

    That you want to do skin whitening is fine; it's totally your choice. No one can take that away from you. I would also defend your right to do what you want to your body. However, your attempts at it's justification on social science constructs are, in my view, fundamentally flawed.
    Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by half.k View Post
    great talking!! i mean, we are women, we want to feel confident and well in our own bodies, some like to loose weight, some like to get a fake tan, other a manicure, other cosmetic surgery... we want to lighten our skin a bit...
    if men love us then they will want us to feel good and confident... i think thats the most important...
    its just nature, women are more emotional, body-conscious then men...
    [your boyfriend mode] Honey, So you don't feel confident and don't feel good because you are not light enough? Ok,so lightening your skin will make you confident and feel good? Good Point! Teach our kids that too in the future - they need to be lighter to be confident and feel great.


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