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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    so you could be committing a crime and not know you have
    Yes and you will be prosecuted as they are filing a case against the owner of the internet subscription...
    They don't mind who did the crime unless YOU can prove who it is.... That's call FREEDOM!
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    Quote Originally Posted by A_flyer View Post
    Yes and you will be prosecuted as they are filing a case against the owner of the internet subscription...
    They don't mind who did the crime unless YOU can prove who it is.... That's call FREEDOM!
    well next time i change my isp, i'm going to register it in my dogs name, and see how daft the cops look when my dog appears in court , whoof justice

    everyday our civil and humans rights are vanishing, your fined if you park in the wrong place, fine for not putting your dustbin out the right day, or the lid is not shut, fined for dropping litter, cannot take pics of your kids in a swimming pool sports day, more restrictions and controls on visa's, the list is endless .orwells 1984 is slowly coming true, the gov is watching you .i thought the court of human rights was for the benefit of it's citizens, not govs and corporate companies


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    well next time i change my isp, i'm going to register it in my dogs name, and see how daft the cops look when my dog appears in court , whoof justice

    everyday our civil and humans rights are vanishing, your fined if you park in the wrong place, fine for not putting your dustbin out the right day, or the lid is not shut, fined for dropping litter, cannot take pics of your kids in a swimming pool sports day, more restrictions and controls on visa's, the list is endless .orwells 1984 is slowly coming true, the gov is watching you .i thought the court of human rights was for the benefit of it's citizens, not govs and corporate companies
    Surely Joe if your Kids or the Dog were nicked by the police you would be responsible?

    So use next doors dog


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    kids are minors andy and the dog will never grass on me

    there is no law that says your wireless network has to be secure, and if some lowlife scouser happens to download copyrighted material thru my wireless router , i am not responsible for someone else's actions


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    kids are minors andy and the dog will never grass on me

    there is no law that says your wireless network has to be secure, and if some lowlife scouser happens to download copyrighted material thru my wireless router , i am not responsible for someone else's actions
    Agree completely Joe


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    kids are minors andy and the dog will never grass on me

    there is no law that says your wireless network has to be secure, and if some lowlife scouser happens to download copyrighted material thru my wireless router , i am not responsible for someone else's actions
    You would let your dog go to jail for you

    Can you hide a saw in a bone

    Of course thats the new defence a lot of people are using not sure if its been tested. Its not ilegal to leave it unsecure but mightly foolish imho.

    For a start make sure all your ports are locked down. Im sure you would not leave them open, but some people leave sharing open and alsorts. once they do that and if your using private network ip as most adsl routers do..

    Copyrighted material is one thing if some pedo used your connection I dont think I would wanna go though all the accusations and stigma which would come with being associated with those scumbags.

    Thats if you ever were able to prove it was someone else. I would think that surely the law would come down on the side that your responsible otherwise pedos would just have open networks and say someone else commited the act of downloading or uploading ilegal material?

    For that one reason i really dont care if people download warez all day its their choice, but i would be happy if they said all routers had to be locked down to at least stop the defence for pedos. But then I guess you would have a loophole where they would say oh well some one must have cracked the encryption which is possible with just about every version on the market with varying levels of difficulty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by andypaul View Post

    Thats if you ever were able to prove it was someone else.
    i would have thought it would have to be proved that i did it, simple as that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    i would have thought it would have to be proved that i did it, simple as that.
    Welcome to the RIAA freedom...
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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    i am not responsible for someone else's actions
    In this case you are. It's the owner of the line that will be fine or prosecuted. That's the aim of the new laws on the illegal downloading... (they have the same ideas here in France).
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    Quote Originally Posted by A_flyer View Post
    In this case you are. It's the owner of the line that will be fine or prosecuted. That's the aim of the new laws on the illegal downloading... (they have the same ideas here in France).
    just read a story today about a woman accused of putting the wrong rubbish in her recycled bin.. and she was cleared because

    'magistrates said the prosecution had been unable to prove that she was responsible for the contamination.

    Her solicitor Mark Shell earlier told the court: "There is no CCTV, no video evidence and no independent witnesses to say that she is responsible.

    "But someone clearly put it there. Who? That's not our problem."
    '

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/5165148.stm

    so for anyone accused of file sharing on a unsecured wireless network, then this is your defence..

    what's happened to my WPA-PSK and SSID settings on me router , they've gone, i wonder when they vanished


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    what's happened to my WPA-PSK and SSID settings on me router , they've gone, i wonder when they vanished
    Keith may be, after getting car radios he's getting also the WiFi systems...
    Best regards.
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