Sponsored family visit visa Refused

[benb]

5 weeks of waiting!:cwm23:

My wife's sister visa was refused (last week). I was hoping that she could be here to visit her pregnant sister and stay until the baby is born in Dec.

The reasons by the ECO in writing were:

- not employed
- have any income of your own
- have any assets, such as property
- have any savings
- have any career prospects to return to
- have any studies to return to

Being a sponsor does not really help. :ARsurrender:

She is submitting an appeal tomorrow with additional supporting documents as requested.
Fingers crossed.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Cheers

[menchkin]

Sorry to hear about that benb. :NoNo: :NoNo: :NoNo: But don't lose hope. Maybe the appeal would be favorable. Keep us posted.... :)

[joebloggs]

5 weeks of waiting!:cwm23:


- not employed
- have any income of your own
- have any assets, such as property
- have any savings
- have any career prospects to return to
- have any studies to return to


looks like everything but the kitchen sink :NoNo:

i'm not surprised when i read on other forums and watch the sky program 'uk border force' becuase so many come here on a STudent and Visitor visa and never go back :cwm23:. making it harder for those with a genuine reason to come to the UK

good luck :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[PAT]

Your sister in law has still a chance benb, keep hoping !:)

[fhara]

dont lose hope..good luck...

[fhara]

when did ur sis in law submit her application benb?...thanks

[benb]

Sorry to hear about that benb. :NoNo: :NoNo: :NoNo: But don't lose hope. Maybe the appeal would be favorable. Keep us posted.... :)

Thanks Mechkin.


when did ur sis in law submit her application benb?...thanks

Applied first week of August!!! Only got the result last week!


looks like everything but the kitchen sink :NoNo:

i'm not surprised when i read on other forums and watch the sky program 'uk border force' becuase so many come here on a STudent and Visitor visa and never go back :cwm23:. making it harder for those with a genuine reason to come to the UK

good luck :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I totally agree! :Brick:



Your sister in law has still a chance benb, keep hoping !:)

Thanks Pat.

[aromulus]

The reasons by the ECO in writing were:

- not employed
- have any income of your own
- have any assets, such as property
- have any savings
- have any career prospects to return to
- have any studies to return to

Cheers

I am sorry to hear about the refusal, but you must admit that to the ECO it must have looked rather suspicious.

Last week at the Newbury Show in Berkshire I met one of these monsters, on leave from some kind of never heard of country, (didn't buy any wine off me the :censored:), and during the conversation I was told about the pressure they are under trying to sort out the backlog of applications.

I wish you all the best of luck in your appeal, I am sure that the extra documentation will do the trick.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Dom

[Piamed]

Sorry to haer about that BenB. I also want my mother-in-law to come over but I guess it will be the same situation, although I have heard of some that were able to come over in spite of those things. Unfortunately, nothing seems to be consistent.

[demlyn888]

sorry benb:NoNo::NoNo: wish you all the best on your appeal:)

[benb]

Sorry to haer about that BenB. I also want my mother-in-law to come over but I guess it will be the same situation, although I have heard of some that were able to come over in spite of those things. Unfortunately, nothing seems to be consistent.

It might be easier for parents as they have family to return to.
My sis-in-law has put together a new set of evidence and justification for the appeal and hopefully it will help. Fingers crossed


I am sorry to hear about the refusal, but you must admit that to the ECO it must have looked rather suspicious.

Last week at the Newbury Show in Berkshire I met one of these monsters, on leave from some kind of never heard of country, (didn't buy any wine off me the :censored:), and during the conversation I was told about the pressure they are under trying to sort out the backlog of applications.

I wish you all the best of luck in your appeal, I am sure that the extra documentation will do the trick.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Dom

sorry benb:NoNo::NoNo: wish you all the best on your appeal:)

Thanks Guys.

[PeterB]

The reasons by the ECO in writing were:

- not employed
- have any income of your own
- have any assets, such as property
- have any savings
- have any career prospects to return to
- have any studies to return to

Well, Ruby had none of these either, but she was granted a visitor visa last year.

The only thing in her favour was that she had been out of the Philippines before. Oh, and she had me to sponsor her! :)

[aromulus]

Oh, and she had me to sponsor her! :)

Ok, everyone.......

Now you know who to ask for sponsorhip......:D

[scott&ligaya]

Sorry to hear that, I hope she wins her appeal. We will have a similar situation early next year as want to bring Ligaya's mum over. She has ony just got her passport recently, has no real savings and just a small farm as assets. At 68 she has no work or studies to return to and the family are grown up. Hmmmmm, I wonder if there is any chance for her. I suppose we could open a peso saving account in her name and transfer a million or so to support the application but I am still worried they might reject her application

[benb]

Sorry to hear that, I hope she wins her appeal. We will have a similar situation early next year as want to bring Ligaya's mum over. She has ony just got her passport recently, has no real savings and just a small farm as assets. At 68 she has no work or studies to return to and the family are grown up. Hmmmmm, I wonder if there is any chance for her. I suppose we could open a peso saving account in her name and transfer a million or so to support the application but I am still worried they might reject her application

A local travel agent who deals with visa told us that the applicant would need at least £5000.00 in savings as evidence.

Best Wishes,

[benb]

Well, Ruby had none of these either, but she was granted a visitor visa last year.

The only thing in her favour was that she had been out of the Philippines before. Oh, and she had me to sponsor her! :)

As far as I know its much harder now compared to last year.

Grrrrr overstayers! :cwm23:

[Sim11UK]

I'm sorry to hear this, it just dosen't seem fair.
I've been wondering recently, whether to apply for a visitor visa for my gf.
I know the odds are stacked against, but I'd love her to get a feel for the UK.

Hope the appeal goes in your favour. :)

[maria_and_matt]

A local travel agent who deals with visa told us that the applicant would need at least £5000.00 in savings as evidence.

Best Wishes,

we never had to show them that my mum or my sister has £5k, we have not been refused a visa yet, my sister who is not employed and has no money either has already been here 4 times. all they ever wanted was to know that we are financially able to look after them while they are staying with us and that if ever they got sick we can pay half of the medical cost. but when my mum got sick here we found out that we did not have to pay as she was entitled to free healthcare as a visiting relative.

[joebloggs]

and that if ever they got sick we can pay half of the medical cost. but when my mum got sick here we found out that we did not have to pay as she was entitled to free healthcare as a visiting relative.

no such thing as free healthcare as a visiting relative :Erm:

'anyone who comes to the UK on holiday or for a short term visit will have to pay for any NHS hospital treatment they may need while they are here, unless they meet the criteria for one of the exemptions from charges. This includes people coming to visit relatives who are ordinarily resident in the UK. Their entitlement to free treatment does not extend to you, even if you are going to be staying with them for several weeks or months. If you think you will have to pay for treatment, you are strongly advised to take out health insurance before you travel.'

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Entitlementsandcharges/OverseasVisitors/Browsable/DH_074387

they should definitely have good health insurance if any family or friends visit you.

[maria_and_matt]

no such thing as free healthcare as a visiting relative :Erm:

'anyone who comes to the UK on holiday or for a short term visit will have to pay for any NHS hospital treatment they may need while they are here, unless they meet the criteria for one of the exemptions from charges. This includes people coming to visit relatives who are ordinarily resident in the UK. Their entitlement to free treatment does not extend to you, even if you are going to be staying with them for several weeks or months. If you think you will have to pay for treatment, you are strongly advised to take out health insurance before you travel.'

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Entitlementsandcharges/OverseasVisitors/Browsable/DH_074387

they should definitely have good health insurance if any family or friends visit you.

my mum was diagnosed with diabetes here in the uk, she collapsed at home and was rushed to hospital, we didnt have a pay a penny, that was only 2 years ago

[benb]

I'm sorry to hear this, it just dosen't seem fair.
I've been wondering recently, whether to apply for a visitor visa for my gf.
I know the odds are stacked against, but I'd love her to get a feel for the UK.

Hope the appeal goes in your favour. :)


Thanks Sim, the appeal has been submitted. Another wait begins!...:NoNo:

[Mrs.JMajor]

Good luck Benb ,may u have it this time ,finger crossed:)

[benb]

Good luck Benb ,may u have it this time ,finger crossed:)

Thanks jedc. The appeal would probably take weeks and if it all goes well, she can be here to help us with the new baby.

[jbt]

hi,

goodluck to your appeal, all the best.

:)

[PeterB]

my mum was diagnosed with diabetes here in the uk, she collapsed at home and was rushed to hospital, we didnt have a pay a penny, that was only 2 years ago
I think that genuine emergency treatment is free of charge.

[maria_and_matt]

I think that genuine emergency treatment is free of charge.
yeah i was surprised when they released her and we wanted to know how much we needed to pay and they said nothin, they were ever so good with my mum they even gave her a blood testing kit with strips and lots of medicine, and when she was about to travel home to the philippines her GP gave her a months free strips and medicine.

[joebloggs]

I think that genuine emergency treatment is free of charge.

I live in a non-EU country and wish to visit the UK for a holiday – am I covered for free NHS healthcare during my visit.?

There is a strong possibility that you will have to pay for all medical costs whilst temporarily in the UK therefore we strongly recommend you arrange appropriate medical insurance.

Every potentially liable overseas visitor is interviewed by our Stage 2 Officer and a recommendation is then made as to whether the patient is liable for medical costs.

Is it true that emergency treatment is free?

Emergency healthcare is free to everyone ONLY in the Accident & Emergency department – if the patient then needs to attend an outpatient clinic or is admitted the Department of Health charging regulations then apply.

http://www.nnuh.nhs.uk/Dept.asp?ID=365

with many trusts short of money, i'm sure they will be chasing people for money more now than 2 years ago.. :Erm:

never travel without insurance, it doesn't cost much :doh

[benb]

Great news! Visit visa approved.

The judge finally has overturned the ECO's decision. He disagreed with every point the ECO made! I could not believe it. It took ages, and its useless now that she has applied for a spouse visa.

Anyway, its silly to go through this, as we the taxpayers probably spent a few thousands for a judge to go through this appeal.

Cheers

[Belmontboy]

5 weeks of waiting!:cwm23:



Being a sponsor does not really help. :ARsurrender:



This is true when it comes to visitors visas and no matter how strongly the sponsor presents the case, the visa is ultimatly for the visitor. There is even a section on a website somewhere that says that a visa refusal is not because the sponsor's integrity is being questioned and it really is about wheather the visitor will return to the Philippines.

If she has no job, no savings, no assets at all, then the ECO is obliged to reject the Visa on the principle that the visitor has no reason to return. This is a very "assuming" process, but, it is based on ECO experience that there are visitors to the UK who don't return, and then remain illegally. The ECO therefore has to be VERY carefull.

I wish you success in your appeal,

[benb]

This is true when it comes to visitors visas and no matter how strongly the sponsor presents the case, the visa is ultimatly for the visitor. There is even a section on a website somewhere that says that a visa refusal is not because the sponsor's integrity is being questioned and it really is about wheather the visitor will return to the Philippines.

If she has no job, no savings, no assets at all, then the ECO is obliged to reject the Visa on the principle that the visitor has no reason to return. This is a very "assuming" process, but, it is based on ECO experience that there are visitors to the UK who don't return, and then remain illegally. The ECO therefore has to be VERY carefull.

I wish you success in your appeal,

see my post 29. The judge has overturned the ECO's decision. :xxgrinning--00xx3: she has no job or no savings no assets.

[mavid]

Congrats benb! well done.

[Ann07]

great news benb:) Congrats to them:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

If she has no job, no savings, no assets at all, then the ECO is obliged to reject the Visa on the principle that the visitor has no reason to return. This is a very "assuming" process, but, it is based on ECO experience that there are visitors to the UK who don't return, and then remain illegally. The ECO therefore has to be VERY carefull.

if the ECO are going to refuse most or all applicants who have no money, no property or job, then all those 100,000s who have overstayed for years in the uk, must have had jobs, savings and property back in their own country :Erm:, yet they still overstayed :doh

i can understand if the applicant has no relatives or ties with the UK, but if it's for a family visitor and the sponsor can pay, it should be granted :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Mrs.JMajor]

Well, Ruby had none of these either, but she was granted a visitor visa last year.

The only thing in her favour was that she had been out of the Philippines before. Oh, and she had me to sponsor her! :)


Ok, everyone.......

Now you know who to ask for sponsorhip......:D


:Rasp::Rasp::Rasp::Rasp::Rasp:


see my post 29. The judge has overturned the ECO's decision. :xxgrinning--00xx3: she has no job or no savings no assets.

Ben would you kind enough to share here how you answer (appeal) the reason of refusal if it is o k lang sa iyo :):):)



The reasons by the ECO in writing were:

- not employed
- have any income of your own
- have any assets, such as property
- have any savings
- have any career prospects to return to
- have any studies to return to

Being a sponsor does not really help. :ARsurrender:

And i see that being sponsor does not really help,did u see that peterb ?:Rasp:
Its all depends on the mood of the ECO

[Jay&Zobel]

congratulations!!!

[tiN]

Congratulations :Hellooo:

[kimmi]

congratulations, Ben..:)

[pennybarry]

Sorry to hear that, I hope she wins her appeal. We will have a similar situation early next year as want to bring Ligaya's mum over. She has ony just got her passport recently, has no real savings and just a small farm as assets. At 68 she has no work or studies to return to and the family are grown up. Hmmmmm, I wonder if there is any chance for her. I suppose we could open a peso saving account in her name and transfer a million or so to support the application but I am still worried they might reject her application

I think transferring some of your fortune to her account can help. My cousin in Wales sponsored his Mom and it was alright. Then after a year, he sponsor his Mom-in-Law but was refused. One of the questions was :why you want to visit UK. She answered " To look after their babies" :doh

[nids123]

hi congrats

[joebloggs]

One of the questions was :why you want to visit UK. She answered " To look after their babies" :doh

:icon_lol: :laugher: :doh

[benb]

:Rasp::Rasp::Rasp::Rasp::Rasp:

Ben would you kind enough to share here how you answer (appeal) the reason of refusal if it is o k lang sa iyo :):):)

And i see that being sponsor does not really help,did u see that peterb ?:Rasp:
Its all depends on the mood of the ECO

I cannot show you the complete reasons as it touches on personal details.
But it was the same evidence presented to the ECO in the first place with additional reference letters. Attached is a snippet of the Judge's response.

[pinky]

congratulations!!!!!

[Mrs.JMajor]

I cannot show you the complete reasons as it touches on personal details.
But it was the same evidence presented to the ECO in the first place with additional reference letters. Attached is a snippet of the Judge's response.

Thanks for that ben :):)

[trader dave]

i applied 3 times for visitors visa for my fiancee i have totaly supported her for 16 months now all there refusals was as you mentioned we supplied everything as you would for a spouse visa everything""""""" great but she has no job .no assets ect ect ect i explained to them i am retiring to the philippines in 2 years so we dont need a settlement visa alas they are not interested i even got my local mp on the case still not interested AS THEY SAID RULES ARE RULES total b&ll shi* so we get married now in june in phils and she will come here I wont say my true feelings about this great government

[joebloggs]

the only way there will be change is, if enough people complain to those who have some power and influence in the gov, those on parliamentary committees, mp's and those in the house of lords.

the immigration system for brits is unjust and unfair when compared with the european system. it's a lot easier for a european to bring their partner here than a brit, the age of a dependant, no job restricts, the cost of a visa, priority of their application. etc

the number of cases i've read about non europeans who have overstayed in the uk, worked illegally, used false passports and papers here, then for them to marry a european living in the uk, they then leave the uk, only to return on a family permit, makes a mockery of the British justice system and immigration system.

it should be your legal right to bring your family to the uk, and to bring their family members for a visit, you should be innocent until proven guilty, not punish everyone for those who break immigration laws..

rant over :NoNo:

[IainBusby]

the only way there will be change is, if enough people complain to those who have some power and influence in the gov, those on parliamentary committees, mp's and those in the house of lords.

the immigration system for brits is unjust and unfair when compared with the european system. it's a lot easier for a european to bring their partner here than a brit, the age of a dependant, no job restricts, the cost of a visa, priority of their application. etc

the number of cases i've read about non europeans who have overstayed in the uk, worked illegally, used false passports and papers here, then for them to marry a european living in the uk, they then leave the uk, only to return on a family permit, makes a mockery of the British justice system and immigration system.

it should be your legal right to bring your family to the uk, and to bring their family members for a visit, you should be innocent until proven guilty, not punish everyone for those who break immigration laws..

rant over :NoNo:

Whatever happened to this idea we heard about a while back, about sponsor's posting a bond when sponsoring a family member.
Iain.

[tommyw]

I heard that it's a lot easier to get visas for older people. Don't know if that's true or not but I hope so as we plan to get Lyn's parents over this time next year.
Anyone got any advice or experience on this?
Any relevant threads on the forum? I've tried but maybe I'm not putting in the best key words to search for.

Thanks, Tommy.

[joebloggs]

Whatever happened to this idea we heard about a while back, about sponsor's posting a bond when sponsoring a family member.
Iain.

they dropped the idea :NoNo:.

yes £1000 deposit, and if you don't go back b4 your visa expires you lose the money, and also when your caught you will be immediately be deported and banned for 10 years, no appeals, i'm all for it if it, if it means that we don't have to play the visa lottery game, and i can apply for the misses family to come and see her knowing they will be granted the visa, and if they overstay they will be banned.

[IainBusby]

they dropped the idea :NoNo:.

yes £1000 deposit, and if you don't go back b4 your visa expires you lose the money, and also when your caught you will be immediately be deported and banned for 10 years, no appeals, i'm all for it if it, if it means that we don't have to play the visa lottery game, and i can apply for the misses family to come and see her knowing they will be granted the visa, and if they overstay they will be banned.

Bloody typical, they come up with so many bad ideas and when they eventually come up with a good one, they decide to drop it. I suppose they're assuming it will be abused and some people will see it as a cheap way to get a relative into the country to work illegally, but I'm sure that if they had any imagination they could build enough safeguards into the system to stop people abusing it.

They could stengthen it by having the £1000 up front followed by criminal prosecution with very heavy fines or even jail time for anyone who tried to abuse the system by getting relatives into the country and allowing them to work, or simply allowing them disappear into the black economy.

I think if they made the system and the penalties strong enough, then only people with genuine intentions would bring relatives here to visit them. I also believe that besides ending the visit visa lottery, it would reduce the numbers of VV overstayers drastically in the long run.
Iain.

[joebloggs]

the gov could also ban you from sponsoring anyone again..

they've got to make it fair, so people can bring relatives over for a visit. and not be refused, because on the balance of probabilities they think you will not return :doh

[trader dave]

yes i read somewhere they dropped the bond idea because the do gooders were complaining that it would be decriminating against poor people :doh so what does a refusal that states YOU CANT COME HERE BECAUSE --YOU HAVE NO JOB ,YOU HAVE SAVINGS, OR ASSETS YOU HAVE NO STUDIES ??????? :cwm23::CompBuster: not every pilipina that comes here is from even a modest background

[rob legend]

I am planning to marry my Filipina fiancee very soon in Phils. My original plan was for us to marry over there and then i return here and apply for a spouse visa for her.However after looking at all the red tape and restrictions etc I have decided to give it all up here and go and live in Phils and kiss goodbye to the UK. Before jetting off to a new future I was wondering about applying for my wife to visit me here for just a few weeks in order to meet my kids and to see the place where i grew up . If i apply for my wife to visit on a family/ tourist visa for just a few weeks I do not really want to book the return flight only to find out that the visa has been refused for whatever reasons they seem to think up. It seems outrageous that my own wife could be refused entry even just to visit me for a few weeks but I have low income here and receive working tax credit.
Does anyone have any suggestions or information regarding this?
I will sponsor her as a ' visitor' to my 'own' country
Thanks

[joebloggs]

However after looking at all the red tape and restrictions etc I have decided to give it all up here and go and live in Phils and kiss goodbye to the UK. Before jetting off to a new future

but I have low income here and receive working tax credit.

Does anyone have any suggestions or information regarding this?
I will sponsor her as a ' visitor' to my 'own' country
Thanks

i would think twice about going to live in the phils if you don't have a lot of savings, what will you live off?, you will struggle to find work, and as some have found on here who have gone to the live in the phils, its not took them long to run out of money and then having to try and find money to get back to the UK..

i would go with the spouse visa, get your wife here, so both of you can start saving, and then go and live in the phils :rolleyes:

[scott&ligaya]

Got to agree with Joe. unless you have a good income stream and a job independent of the Phils I would not consider living there. It might appear cheap to live there but you will find it is not that cheap.

[darren-b]

It seems outrageous that my own wife could be refused entry even just to visit me for a few weeks but I have low income here and receive working tax credit.
Does anyone have any suggestions or information regarding this?
I will sponsor her as a ' visitor' to my 'own' country
Thanks

Your biggest problem with a visitor visa is getting the ECO to believe that your wife will leave the UK at the end of the few weeks.


i would think twice about going to live in the phils if you don't have a lot of savings, what will you live off?, you will struggle to find work, and as some have found on here who have gone to the live in the phils, its not took them long to run out of money and then having to try and find money to get back to the UK..

i would go with the spouse visa, get your wife here, so both of you can start saving, and then go and live in the phils :rolleyes:

Totally agree, it might be a struggle to live here in the UK, but if you live here for 3 years then your wife can apply for British citizenship. Once she has that little red book you can go to the Philippines knowing that as long as you can get back to the UK border they will let you in. Unlke others who have gone to the Philippines and are now in the difficult position that they would like to come back to the UK but they may not be able to ge a visa for their wife to enter the UK.

[Dayko2006]

I am a serious person , Learned about filipino cultures etc, I have a good friend in Gina and Pete who i sat in cafe (Bacolod) and chatted, wished I had been more intentive.. but we was starngers at time, My advantage was that my wife was working in ABS-CBN News-Patrol etc and productions on one of their smaller stations but the crew became my family.. not one would i not protect if the circumstances aroused... Filipinos I admire you for the dedication to friendship ans hospitality you always show... I am definately your Kaibigan