3 innocent children killed in so called humanitarian effort

[Walaytawo]

Collatoral damage no doubt :doh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13251570

Murderous bloody thirsty :censored:!!! Ashamed to be British on days like these :bigcry:

[KeithD]

We don't even know if it's true but if it is, good ridance to them all. Gaddafi new the chances of his family being hit, and failed to protect them. He new the potential consequences for killing civilian men, women, and children by the 100's in Misratah, it was his choice, and that makes him responsible for any deaths to his own family not Britain, Nato or the UN.

I'm proud to be British when we are taking action against murderous scumbags like him and his family.

[Walaytawo]

Nonsense, no child deserves to be murdered, whoever their parents are.

[les_taxi]

So What about baby adolf then?

[Walaytawo]

No way of knowing how any child will turn out.

[les_taxi]

What a lot of these lunatics like Gaddafi,Saddam Hussein do is use schools,hospitals as weapons stores,communications outlets etc.
They use the kids as "human shields" in an attempt to brandish the west as murder'ers saying look you have killed all these children on purpose-bullshit!

Only on sky news yesterday one of the buildings was clearly a communications building albeit a makeshift one,its had all sorts of tech gear on it and the woman being pressed by the news reporter was papping herself and saying its a mobile phone dish:NoNo:

In the 2nd world war we eveacuated all the kids in London to keep them safe-in Libya,Iraq they do the opposite to gain sypathy from the rest of the world to portray us as child mudere'ers.

He is a madman and think how many innocent children he would have been happy to wipe out if he had beeen allowed to attack Bengazi!

[les_taxi]

No way of knowing how any child will turn out.

So if we could go back in time and remove him as a child would you agree to that?

[Walaytawo]

And what's all this got to do with us :Erm: Haven't we got enough problems of our own? We always end up making things worse anyway -

http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/libya-conflict-spills-into-tunisia

Wasn't a million plus deaths in Iraq enough :cwm23:

And our humanitarian efforts still lives on there in the form of severe birth defects...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Sky-News-Returns-To-Fallujah-Lisa-Holland-Revisits-The-Children-Born-With-Deformities/Article/200908415371946

And we think we're making the world a better place :Help1:

[philphil61]

I understand those who feel the sad loss of innocent children is cruel but sometimes it's unavoidable to protect the innocent children and others from violent conflicts caused by bad governmental regimes.

I am hurt that these children died but as Win2Win stated Gaddafi could have prevented their deaths by insuring their safety by either moving them to a non-conflict area (not a command/control centre) or by giving himself up (so to speak). I believe he was using his own family to help protect himself - which has been done before...

My opinion only

[Walaytawo]

So if we could go back in time and remove him as a child would you agree to that?

Time travel and the butterfly effect is a whole new thread :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Walaytawo]

I understand those who feel the sad loss of innocent children is cruel but sometimes it's unavoidable to protect the innocent children and others from violent conflicts caused by bad governmental regimes.

I am hurt that these children died but as Win2Win stated Gaddafi could have prevented their deaths by insuring their safety by either moving them to a non-conflict area (not a command/control centre) or by giving himself up (so to speak). I believe he was using his own family to help protect himself - which has been done before...

My opinion only

I doubt he was purposefully using his own child as a shield, because it did him no favours in the 80s when they murdered his adopted daughter.

[les_taxi]

Time travel and the butterfly effect is a whole new thread :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Yes but if we could go back and take out baby hitler 70 million lives would be saved I would do it:xxgrinning--00xx3:
Also get mately with a bloke called Bill Gates and teach him how to format a pc:laugher:

[ca143]

im just hoping that Gaddaffi can now realize how sad and hurt to lost with loveones.....Im agree with win2win and philphil16..:)but sorry guys dunno how to give rep...power:icon_lol:

[Walaytawo]

Also shows what a bad shot our guys are :doh Gaddaffi was in the same building apparently, but they managed to hit smaller targets :crazy: bit like when they accidentally blew up the rebels they were supposed to be helping.

http://theswash.com/2011/04/02/nato-forces-accidentally-kill-15-libyan-rebels-injure-7/

And didn't they say they had no plans to assasinate him, only wanted regime change :icon_lol:

Good article here on the hypocrisy of this war:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/libya-us-nato-_b_850418.html

[les_taxi]

Also shows what a bad shot our guys are :doh Gaddaffi was in the same building apparently, but they managed to hit smaller targets :crazy: bit like when they accidentally blew up the rebels they were supposed to be helping.

http://theswash.com/2011/04/02/nato-forces-accidentally-kill-15-libyan-rebels-injure-7/

And didn't they say they had no plans to assasinate him, only wanted regime change :icon_lol:

Good article here on the hypocrisy of this war:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/libya-us-nato-_b_850418.html

How hard do you think it is to take one guy out who is well protected and uses children as human shields?
We could have just dropped a huge bomb on his compound and he would be gone-but so would lots of others:Erm:

So what do you want us to do leave libya and watch him massacre all the rebals and civilians who don't agree with him?
Maybe thats the best way let all the countries with dictators do what they wish.
On a local level when I see some bloke giving his girlfriend a slap I will drive on shall I? Nothing to do with me:NoNo:

[stevewool]

its always sad when innocent people are killed, but war is war , instead off saying i hate this and hate that , just pray for the little dears and always be proud of who you are always

[Walaytawo]

Why are we trying to take him out after we were told that wasn't the plan :Erm:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/us-has-no-plans-to-assassinate-gaddafi-obama/articleshow/7792297.cms

You obviously have no problem with being lied to by your leaders :doh

A least the Russians know it's illegal.

http://www.coastaldigest.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23985

[les_taxi]

Why are we trying to take him out after we were told that wasn't the plan :Erm:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/us-has-no-plans-to-assassinate-gaddafi-obama/articleshow/7792297.cms

You obviously have no problem with being lied to by your leaders :doh

A least the Russians know it's illegal.

http://www.coastaldigest.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23985

I have no problems with someone like him being taken out at all,same would have applied to Hitler,Saddam,Pol Pot etc etc
Put your papers down and answer me this,If we pull out and let him have his way and wipe out thousands will you be happy with that?

[Walaytawo]

I have no problems with someone like him being taken out at all,same would have applied to Hitler,Saddam,Pol Pot etc etc
Put your papers down and answer me this,If we pull out and let him have his way and wipe out thousands will you be happy with that?

The answer is "Yes". As I said, why can't we just concentrate on our own problems at home :Erm: It's the lies and hypocrisy that grate me :cwm23:

Gaddafi had been cherished by Western powers more than anyone could imagine. Consider that last month the Libyan ruler was supposed to be tried in an international court for war crimes in Sierra Leone, where he "was ultimately responsible for the mutilation, maiming and/or murder of 1.2 million people." However, the U.S., U.K. and a host of other allies mysteriously intervened to protect Gaddafi, blocking the indictment. When asked why, chief prosecutor David Crane responded: "Welcome to the world of oil."

Do you honestly believe this about our sympathy for the Libyan people?

[les_taxi]

I love the russians moaning after their failed attempt to take over Afghanistan-putin has short memory.:icon_lol:
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~cckarpov/whythesovietsinvadedafghan.htm
Now if only we could had stepped in and taken out Hitler 70 million would still be alive today!
I don't want any wars but we dont live in the world of fairy tales so i'm afraid since time began we will always have conflics.
We make mistakes and always will because we are human.
We can let people get on with it and massacre their people or try to intervene.
I thought our social development had moved on.
Anyway sorry to leave this discussion for now but aresenal v Man utd beckons:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

Nonsense, no child deserves to be murdered, whoever their parents are.

You only have to look at his murderous sons to see how they would have turned out :doh, but as I said, it was Gadaffi's fault for using them as a human shield for himself.

I find 3 kids dying acceptable to saving 100's elsewhere.

[KeithD]

Also shows what a bad shot our guys are :doh Gaddaffi was in the same building apparently, but they managed to hit smaller targets :crazy: bit like when they accidentally blew up the rebels they were supposed to be helping.

http://theswash.com/2011/04/02/nato-forces-accidentally-kill-15-libyan-rebels-injure-7/

And didn't they say they had no plans to assasinate him, only wanted regime change :icon_lol:

Good article here on the hypocrisy of this war:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/libya-us-nato-_b_850418.html

The rebels they hit was because the rebels didn't tell NATO they had tanks, their responsibility 100%, and they accepted that, so your point is useless.

At 35,000ft it is difficult to look through the window of a building to see which room the bad guy is in... Special Forces will just light up the building.

As for assasination, look up the meaning of the word. NATO & the UN agreed to take out all command and control, and Gadaffi and his sons control the armed forces and militia so they are fair game to be taken out of the command structure. That is not assasinating someone.

[johncar54]

The problem here is that the killing of his family and some children will bring him support from his own and will inspire the faint-hearted supporters (Turkey, Germany, some Arab countries etc) to withdraw their support for NATO. They will not think of the many children who are being killed and maimed by Gaddafi's forces.

[Walaytawo]

The rebels they hit was because the rebels didn't tell NATO they had tanks, their responsibility 100%, and they accepted that, so your point is useless.

At 35,000ft it is difficult to look through the window of a building to see which room the bad guy is in... Special Forces will just light up the building.

As for assasination, look up the meaning of the word. NATO & the UN agreed to take out all command and control, and Gadaffi and his sons control the armed forces and militia so they are fair game to be taken out of the command structure. That is not assasinating someone.

What happened to, "We're only enforcing a no fly zone" :Erm: Your point about the CIA backed rebels.... if the BBC knew they had tanks three weeks before why didn't NATO forces know :Erm:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12769993
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13004297

[KeithD]

What happened to, "We're only enforcing a no fly zone" :Erm: Your point about the CIA backed rebels.... if the BBC knew they had tanks three weeks before why didn't NATO forces know :Erm:


I'm pretty sure that the BBC had the GPS coordinates of tanks on support vehicles being taken along the main road along with the retreating pro-Gadaffi supporters.

Very few get killed in friendly fire incidents these days, and it will always happen in war. 1000's were killed in FF during Vietnam, 5 figures in WW1 & WW2

[Walaytawo]

"friendly fire" :doh who make up these phrases? Nothing friendly about killing one of your own.

Why not just call it what it is? Dropping a major bo:censored:ock

[Walaytawo]

Who adds the tags here? I like the way, "illegal, kids, killing" all go together :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

Erm.... welll 'Friend or Foe" guess which one associates with the phrase 'friendly fire' :doh .... plus, you are being shot by your 'friends' not your enemies :rolleyes:

[Walaytawo]

Just a daft phrase designed to take the brutality out of the act.

[johncar54]

The phrase was invented by the USA when they killed their own and British soldiers

[Walaytawo]

The phrase was invented by the USA when they killed their own and British soldiers

Not surprised :rolleyes: Collateral damage was another of theirs.

[KeithD]

The media actually uses 'friendly fire', the correct tetm the military use is 'blue on blue'

[scott&ligaya]

along with PONTI ..... persons of no tactical importance.... now only a military mind could come up with that one :doh:doh

[Farmerg]

Its funny how the Russians know act like the voice of reason and the defenders of peace & justice :crazy:
They seem to forget about Russia's state sponsored assassination in London using radio active material that put many nurses & doctors at risk trying to treat the victim or the ethnic cleansing in Chechnya!